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trixie123 -> Question About Healing (6/9/2008 2:45:22 PM)

I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?



musicboss11 -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 2:53:33 PM)

I think that sometimes healing dosen't happen the way that we think it should, or would like it to happen. Healing can take many forms. Some of them we see, and some of them we don't. Sometimes it can take what seems like an eternity to see it. Some times, the healing is done in heaven (as in the believer goes home).



doinkdom -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 3:00:05 PM)

and sometimes our poor physical health can lead to a good spiritual health

sometimes God uses those times of health problems to point us back to Him

and many times a healing is in the heart and not the body



colliefan -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 3:33:40 PM)

James 5:13 - 16 (NASB)
13Is anyone among you suffering?
Then he must pray.

Is anyone cheerful?
He is to sing praises.

14Is anyone among you sick?
Then he must call for the elders of the church
and they are to pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

and the prayer offered in faith
will restore the one who is sick,
and the Lord will raise him up,

and if he has committed sins,
they will be forgiven him.

Therefore, confess your sins
to one another,
and pray for one another
so that you may be healed.
The effective prayer of a righteous man
can accomplish much.



AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 3:55:12 PM)

It is not always God's will for people to be healed. Just look at (1 John 5:16 NKJV) If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. There is a lot of debate about sin unto death, but this is my take on it. Someone who has smoked cigarettes for 40 years and has lung cancer, or were drunkards for years and has cirrhosis of the liver etc and is dieing, i feel this is what this verse is talking about.



Miril -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 4:16:13 PM)

I smoked for over 20 years and was healed from lung cancer, and that is just one of my healings. It is about GREAT FAITH.

quote:

ORIGINAL: colliefan

James 5:13 - 16 (NASB)
13Is anyone among you suffering?
Then he must pray.

Is anyone cheerful?
He is to sing praises.

14Is anyone among you sick?
Then he must call for the elders of the church
and they are to pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord;

and the prayer offered in faith
will restore the one who is sick,
and the Lord will raise him up,

and if he has committed sins,
they will be forgiven him.

Therefore, confess your sins
to one another,
and pray for one another
so that you may be healed.
The effective prayer of a righteous man
can accomplish much.



1 John 5:15 (NKJV)

15 And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.



earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 4:41:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trixie123

I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?


Who was Jesus talking to? To His disciples, those He did indeed empower to do miracles like they did. Context is key. The Bible does not specifically link physical healing with spiritual healing. Often times people are physically healed when they place their faith in Christ – but this is not always the case.

Sometimes it is God’s will to heal, sometimes it is not - the Apostle John gives us the proper perspective: “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us - whatever we ask - we know that we have what we asked of Him” (1 John 5:14-15).

God still performs miracles. God still heals people. Sickness, disease, pain, and death are still realities in this world.

Unless the Lord returns in the next 50 years or so, almost everyone who is alive today will die, and the vast majority of them (Christians included) will die as the result of a physical problem (disease, sickness, injury). It is not always God’s will to heal us physically.

Ultimately, our full physical healing awaits us in Heaven. In Heaven, there will be no more pain, sickness, disease, suffering, or death (Revelation chapter 21).

We all need to be less preoccupied with our physical condition in this world, and be a little more preoccupied with our spiritual condition (Romans 12:1-2).

Then, we can focus our hearts on heaven and when we will no longer have to deal with physical problems, Revelation 21:4, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."



Liveloved -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 5:54:04 PM)

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We all need to be less preoccupied with our physical condition in this world, and be a little more preoccupied with our spiritual condition (Romans 12:1-2).


Amen, earthless. As one who has been dealing with a variety of physical problems recently, problems which I find 'force' me to be preoccupied with myself a bit, I have been more disciplined in my spiritual life. I have a torn meniscus and am scheduled for surgery but as a normally very active person who has had to give up my workout routine as well as much of my gardening, I am struggling to NOT think about me (as I painfully limp wherever I go).

Yesterday my husband and I went to help a friend who had water in their home. I bailed and vacuumed with a shop vac much to my knee's discomfort and last night it was swollen and reminding me of my 'self'! Aargh. . .

So I sing turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace. And I continue to sing. . .



rcjames -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 6:28:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trixie123

I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?


(Jas 5:13) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

(Jas 5:14) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

(Jas 5:15) And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The passage says that the prayer of faith will bring the healing; ergo if the healing does not come maybe the Elders were weak in their faith.

Thsnks
RC



AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 6:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: trixie123

I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?


(Jas 5:13) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

(Jas 5:14) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

(Jas 5:15) And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The passage says that the prayer of faith will bring the healing; ergo if the healing does not come maybe the Elders were weak in their faith.

Thsnks
RC


Or maybe it wasn't God's will.



AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 6:55:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

quote:

We all need to be less preoccupied with our physical condition in this world, and be a little more preoccupied with our spiritual condition (Romans 12:1-2).


Amen, earthless. As one who has been dealing with a variety of physical problems recently, problems which I find 'force' me to be preoccupied with myself a bit, I have been more disciplined in my spiritual life. I have a torn meniscus and am scheduled for surgery but as a normally very active person who has had to give up my workout routine as well as much of my gardening, I am struggling to NOT think about me (as I painfully limp wherever I go).

Yesterday my husband and I went to help a friend who had water in their home. I bailed and vacuumed with a shop vac much to my knee's discomfort and last night it was swollen and reminding me of my 'self'! Aargh. . .

So I sing turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace. And I continue to sing. . .


I had surgery a year ago for a torn meniscus. Recovery wasn't too bad. The first week of therapy wasn't fun [:D] but it got better. Just be sure you fully finish therapy and do all the stretches etc, it really does make a difference.



Liveloved -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 7:32:27 PM)

quote:

I had surgery a year ago for a torn meniscus. Recovery wasn't too bad. The first week of therapy wasn't fun but it got better. Just be sure you fully finish therapy and do all the stretches etc, it really does make a difference.


Thanks, Abounding! I'm good with therapy. I've been limping and in pain since April 1st---I'm a wait and 'surely this will heal on it's own' kind of person. It didn't. But I am blessed, blessed, blessed! We have one of the finest knee surgeons in the country in our little community and he saw me the day after I called. God is good to me. So surgery and therapy and then on to whatever the Lord wills for me beyond. Bless ya![:)]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Question About Healing (6/9/2008 8:32:28 PM)

Faith...IS needed. However it is not quantity that counts, its quality.

The mustard seed faith is enough.

Believe it or not healings are God's business. We don't have the mind of God and cannot understand it. Our role in healings is just this...to have faith.

We believe and then God does, what He does. Paul had a "thorn". It kept him humble. Job was afflitcted with disease seemingly without any reason. He was healed. Pharoh hardened his heart...and God did too. Moses was disallowed entrance to the Holy Land for tapping his staff.

Thing is, we are not God. Wew are not called to be God and to know all there is to God. We have to trust God that whatever happens is under His control.

It really is about God, afterall.



Szaftoo -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 9:31:07 AM)

Sometimes healing is like the story of Naaman. He desired a healing but was furious at the way his healing was going to happen. He was offended that word came from a servant instead of the prohphet. He wanted someone to simply wave their hand over him and was offended when there was action needed on his part.
We need faith and then to trust in God's timing and His ways.



deliveredarling -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 9:43:33 AM)

Healing comes in many forms. Sometimes we don't get the answers we think are the right ones. The faith part comes in when we trust that God will answer our prayer as He sees fit to answer it, knowing that He will do what is best for us. Even if that means it's a bitter pill to swallow.


We can't forget the medical profession though.

Sometimes in healing He puts doctors in our paths, specialist. He gave these individuals special gifts to heal His children.



doinkdom -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 10:42:40 AM)

So am I reading here that if I am sick or have cancer or whatever...that it's because my faith isn't strong enough?

So, those whom God's will does not include perfect health are that way because their faith is weak?

Has anyone ever heard of Joni Erickson Tada?



URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 11:09:10 AM)

All healing is from God. When you understand and truly assimilate the truth of this, it does away with the confusion about what means God may use to heal.

Psalm 103:2-3

Praise the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits - who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases,

Peace



Apparition -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 11:40:05 AM)

Let me just point out that if you have cancer and die... then you no longer have cancer. =)
Live your life, live it with faith, and do what you think think the Lord's will is, He will take care of the rest. =)



DaveW -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 11:44:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

All healing is from God.
Not so.

The fact that some of those "new age healing centers" actually have people healed sometimes is proof enough of that. Mark 16 links miraculous healings with the presentation of the gospel. If the healing does not present proof of the Gospel, or takes focus away from Jesus and the bible, it is not of God.



URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 1:44:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaveW

quote:

ORIGINAL: URForgiven

All healing is from God.
Not so.

The fact that some of those "new age healing centers" actually have people healed sometimes is proof enough of that. Mark 16 links miraculous healings with the presentation of the gospel. If the healing does not present proof of the Gospel, or takes focus away from Jesus and the bible, it is not of God.


As I said, once you understand and truly assimilate that God alone heals, then the means becomes irrelevant. There is no healing apart from God.

Peace



rcjames -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 2:38:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: URForgiven
As I said, once you understand and truly assimilate that God alone heals, then the means becomes irrelevant. There is no healing apart from God.


I certianly agree with your here, God alone heals, doctor's do not heal, faith healers do not heal, nature does not heal; God heals.

Thanks
RC



doinkdom -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 2:45:30 PM)

OK but what I'm reading in several posts is that God's healing is in direct correlation or relationship with the amount of my personal faith in God.

So...no matter how much I pray, my heart is right, my relationship with God is great, my life is in order...my fibromyalgia is a connected to a lack of faith (not mine personally...but as an example).

[&:] yes? no?



DaveW -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 3:23:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

As I said, once you understand and truly assimilate that God alone heals, then the means becomes irrelevant. There is no healing apart from God.
No, not all healing comes from God. The devil can heal as well. he can make creative miracles. However, the focus will NEVER be on the Lord, but on a person or another spirit of some kind. Blind eyes can see, limbs can grow out, cancers cured.

But if it does not point to Jesus and the cross, it is a false miracle.



URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 5:04:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaveW

quote:

ORIGINAL: URForgiven

As I said, once you understand and truly assimilate that God alone heals, then the means becomes irrelevant. There is no healing apart from God.
No, not all healing comes from God. The devil can heal as well. he can make creative miracles. However, the focus will NEVER be on the Lord, but on a person or another spirit of some kind. Blind eyes can see, limbs can grow out, cancers cured.

But if it does not point to Jesus and the cross, it is a false miracle.


I think you will not find Scriptural support for Satan being able to heal. You will find support for he and his minions pretending to heal. They are false healings, which means they are not healings at all. Same with miracles, Satan pretends to perform miracles, but they are not really miracles at all. The amplified Bible says it more clearly...

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders


Peace



deliveredarling -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 5:29:25 PM)

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OK but what I'm reading in several posts is that God's healing is in direct correlation or relationship with the amount of my personal faith in God.

So...no matter how much I pray, my heart is right, my relationship with God is great, my life is in order...my fibromyalgia is a connected to a lack of faith (not mine personally...but as an example).

yes? no?


It is my personal belief that WOF people use this belief system. I don't at all believe that all healings or rather lack of healings has to do with lack of faith. Sometimes God just doesn't heal people, for whatever reason. If this were true, we could then say that anything bad that has happened is because we lacked faith or rather we are being punished with illness or have suffered tragedy because of a lack of faith.

RC said that doctors do not heal. I disagree. God gave them special talents to be able to heal. Some of us a re teachers because of those same gifts, some preachers.....
I'm not at all saying that the glory goes to these individuals. God used these individuals to heal.

My concern here is that, if we don't balance the answer to these questions, we can end up convincing someone who is seeking to not get medical action in an emergency when it is necessary because they will then believe that God has decided that person didn't have enough faith to heal a child or loved one. We can hear yet another tragedy where religion was used as en excuse for NOT using the brain and discernment that God has GIVEN each one of us.



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