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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:01:21 PM
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LBolt
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I think your problem,in all due respect, is that you don't know the culture of the time. Most people don't, which I understand, which is why I take the time to explain this. The primary function of the 1st century synagogue, according to one scholar, was for a bible scholar to read scripture and explain it's meaning to the public. I would advise you to study 1st century Jewish history and also pick up a Manner's and Customs of the Bible.
Here's a quote from my Manner's and Customs book, "We do know something of the early synagogues from rabbinic sources. We also know that the Law was studied and pronounced there: 'For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath' (Acts 15:21). Many prayers were recited in synagogue worship (Matt. 6:5). Source outside of the Bible tell us that the synagogue worship services consisted of an unvocational prayer, other prayers and benedictions, the reading of the Law of Moses, the reading of the prophets, and a benedictory prayer (Megillah 4:3). Only certain persons were permitted to lead in worship, thus Jesus' right to do so was questioned (Mark 6:2-4). Paul taught at synagogues, but he too had some difficulty (Acts 17:17; 26:11)... This is a brief exercpt. You get the point though.
Hey, if you don't want to tithe...that's between you and God! Heb. 7:8 says, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. and as I may say, Levi also, who received tithes, paid tithes in Abraham. We are under the Melchizedikian priesthood of Yahshua HaMosiach! So when we tithe today...He receives them as a testimony that HE LIVES. Matt. 23:23 and Luke 11:42 Jesus endorses tithing but admonishes on observing the "weightier matters" of the Torah...judgement, mercy and faith: these ought ye to have done and not leave the other undone.
The "other" being tithing.
I hope this is the substance your looking for. Paul or any other person do not trump the words of the MASTER!
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:26:51 PM
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:28:49 PM
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Pick up a Manner's and Customs of the Bible.
And where might I find that?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:29:07 PM
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Hello, prophet, why just the one word post?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:30:18 PM
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The word tithing becomes a problem when its taken out of its context of the law of the OT into the NT. And lotsa teachers love doing that esp of Malachi.
In the OT its for supporting the levitical system. How do we do that nowadays?
In the NT Its we should be wary of this:
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
If one has enough for one days food, should he still tithe in the manner of the OT?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:32:09 PM
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:41:41 PM
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Hi Cherished, I found mine in a Christian bookstore in Cleveland. Maybe Half priced bookstore if you have a chain there. Maybe Amazon may have one.
Prophet, I agree with you, which is why I posted what I said earlier. Hey, if you only have enough for a days meal...by all means eat. Preservation of life is in the best interest of God. Your local church has a responsiblity to assist those who are less fortunate and in a hard spot. That's what the money is essentially for. To assist those in geniune need and then upkeep of the buliding the minister etc., etc. You don't want to muzzle the ox... I don't think God is out to put people in bondage and unfortunately, that's what's happens at offering time in most churches. In Acts, the early believers distribution the resources amongst all.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/22/2008 11:49:13 PM
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I think part of the problem, too, is that we have a tendency to pit OT vs NT. "NT" is a exposition of "OT" not a superceding of it. They quoted heavily from the "OT" in their writings.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:08:38 AM
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Your local church has a responsiblity to assist those who are less fortunate and in a hard spot. That's what the money is essentially for.
Amen!
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 9:41:22 AM
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I think your problem,in all due respect, is that you don't know the culture of the time. Most people don't, which I understand, which is why I take the time to explain this. The primary function of the 1st century synagogue, according to one scholar, was for a bible scholar to read scripture and explain it's meaning to the public. I would advise you to study 1st century Jewish history and also pick up a Manner's and Customs of the Bible.
Here's a quote from my Manner's and Customs book, "We do know something of the early synagogues from rabbinic sources. We also know that the Law was studied and pronounced there: 'For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath' (Acts 15:21). Many prayers were recited in synagogue worship (Matt. 6:5). Source outside of the Bible tell us that the synagogue worship services consisted of an unvocational prayer, other prayers and benedictions, the reading of the Law of Moses, the reading of the prophets, and a benedictory prayer (Megillah 4:3). Only certain persons were permitted to lead in worship, thus Jesus' right to do so was questioned (Mark 6:2-4). Paul taught at synagogues, but he too had some difficulty (Acts 17:17; 26:11)... This is a brief exercpt. You get the point though.
Hey, if you don't want to tithe...that's between you and God! Heb. 7:8 says, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. and as I may say, Levi also, who received tithes, paid tithes in Abraham. We are under the Melchizedikian priesthood of Yahshua HaMosiach! So when we tithe today...He receives them as a testimony that HE LIVES. Matt. 23:23 and Luke 11:42 Jesus endorses tithing but admonishes on observing the "weightier matters" of the Torah...judgement, mercy and faith: these ought ye to have done and not leave the other undone.
The "other" being tithing.
I hope this is the substance your looking for. Paul or any other person do not trump the words of the MASTER!
Hey L bolt,I'm responding to this post for several reasons;One is I know you from the keep the law thread,and from that Ijudge that you are a sincere Christian who believes in following God with your whole heart,Two because I like your spirit in how you address fellow posters,and lastly because I believe that something worthwhile can come of this particular discussion.
Now I'm long past believing that a magic scripture,or scriptures exist that could move anyone from their perspective camps,not only in this thread,but any of the one stop threads.It is because of this I generally try to avoid these types of threads as if I were purposefully avoiding falling into a black hole. 
Having said that,I entered into this particular thread out of necessity.Admittedly I came into this thread with guns a blazing,proposing that I would kill dead the argument that tithing is mandated for the NT Church.
I say that this battle was for me necessary,as at the time I was beginning the decision to join a new church that are staunch tithe teachers.I believed with all my being that this was the place that called me to join myself too,yet God knew full well both of our respective positions.Go figure right?
Well at that time I tried having a conversation with my Pastor of this church about this topic,but he wasn't having it.It was settled in heaven,and therefore there was no need to discuss with me,was his position.
So I had all of these bullets in my gun,and nowhere to shoot.So here I came,and here I is.Now I've since emptied all of the bullets out of my chamber,and have no need to reload to shoot you or anyone else here.
I've actually done something that I had no intention of doing before coming here,and that is walk away with a respectful attitude towards those that have been called to honor God with a tithe.
Has my position changed in regards to tithing being a NT requirement/mandate?Absolutely not!Does that mean that I have to kill the one who feels it is?Absolutely not!
My question to you was for the benefit of myself,as well as others.To make the claim that the NT church was a continuation of the OT practices,with a modern twist.Is a claim that begs/demands qualifying.
Like you I don't believe that Jesus came to produce a hybrid religion/faith/practice.I figure one of those words might be found acceptable.Although this topic sits firmly in the company of the keep the law thread,I think we have to keep the two issues separate.
I like many if not all who participate in this thread want above all things,to be found doing what is pleasing in the sight of God.I have come to realize that for some this includes giving God his tithe,and I have the utmost respect for that and them.
As for me I believe that I honor God best when I give in the way he has led/instructed me to give.That I give in a way that acknowledges his provision.That I reverence him in my giving.This for me does not include practicing giving after the order of the Levitical tithe system.
I'm not here to argue my position,anymore than I am to fight you on yours.I believe God when he told Cain,If thou doest well,will you not also be accepted?
Well of course meaning what he requires of me.So I appreciate your post,most especially the recommendation of buying the manners and customs book.I will look for this to help with my studies.Thanks
As for the rest of your post being more substantive,I'm afraid that once again it fell woefully short of supporting your original claim for me.That's OK though.you don't have to keep addressing this concern on my account.I honestly don't think you have enough bullets in your gun,nor the gun that could shoot far enough to reach me anyway
Love you though just the same,and always enjoy hearing what you have to offer here on this forum.God bless Brother.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 10:12:39 AM
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I said all that to say, that Torah was read in the syagogues every Sabbath in the "infant church" and the people adhered to it's precepts...including tithing. Just something to keep in mind.
Also keep in mind that in those days there was still a temple and a levitical priesthood: two vital elements of the tithing system.
But did the law ever command people to tithe money?
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To add along with that, please remember that not everyone had access to the scrolls. So they had to hear in the synagouges every sabbath (as it says in Acts 15).
I think that this is the literal meaning of, "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Ro.10:17
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Hey, if you don't want to tithe...that's between you and God!
But what is tithing? Are you refering to the old levitical version which requires a temple, priests, grain, and livestock? Or the new-fangled version which worms its way into people's gross pay stubs?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 11:40:52 AM
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to simplify it all, i think it comes down to 2 questions. Is tithing an eternal principle, or is it an old testament law?
A simple question answers this quandary - If the tithe can be exceeded, how can it be an eternal principle?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 11:51:38 AM
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Remember, tithing was practiced to some degree before the giving of the Law. Abraham tithed his spoils of war to Melchizedek. Jacob gave a tenth. The levitical order was established on the basis of God's heavenly priesthood.
Matter of fact, God always desired all of Israel to be a Kingdom of Priests unto our God. Exodus 19:5-6 bears this out. Because of Israel's rebellion with the golden calf, and only those from the tribe of Levi stood up to do the will of God and killed those in rebellion. Because of their willingness to do God's will, YHWH rewarded them with the priesthood. However, it was always His desire for all God's people to be priests. The giving of the New Covenant caused us to get back our position. That why Peter and John say the we are a royal priesthood and kings and priests unto our God. Now the scriptures speak of those who labor in the word as being deserving of double honor. Now the amount of what is to be given to those elder will vary.
The Torah is interwoven in the entire Bible, you really can't get away from it, I'm afraid. Jesus quoted from it, Peter, John, James, Paul and Luke.
Tithe and offerings were first and foremost were to be used to help the poor and widows, then the upkeep of the minister, building, etc. As a matter of fact, the deacons of the ones who cleaned and cared for the church were the only salaried people. Imagine that? I got that from historical references that deal with the life and vitality of the early church.
It sounds like your mind is made up and no matter what scriptures are presented your position is set...and that's O.K. It has to settle in your mind. At the fellowship were I attend, giving is not even stress! We have the little Temple box and you give or don't give. There's been times when I honestly forgot my check...I never felt condemn. I've even missed a few here and there. I can truly say that YHWH has bless my wife and I's finances tremendously! Between Passover and Pentecoste, it was blessing on top of blessing constantly! Checks in the mail for 1,000's of dollars from things that we overpaid or just plain unexpected harvests. I had to pinch myself!! When I see those are harvest holidays, for souls and substance...it doesn't shock me too much. Now I'd been tithing and giving close to 20-30 % years prior and was getting broke and broker or just breaking even!! Which is why I had to rethink somethings and when I reread Malachi in light of the whole book and the proceeding verses of the famous tithe verses/ curse with a cursed, I now understand the discrepancies, which I posted earlier.
I think if we were truly give the way they gave let's say when they constructed the tabernacle articles, Temples, heck even in Acts when the sold their lands and divided it amongst the community of believers, we would see more needs met in our assemblies. That's just my thought.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:24:37 PM
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Remember, tithing was practiced to some degree before the giving of the Law.
I do believe that it was Adam, not Moses, who set in motion the laws that Jesus fulfilled through his death.
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Now the scriptures speak of those who labor in the word as being deserving of double honor. Now the amount of what is to be given to those elder will vary.
In the Old Testament it was the law who divided the increase. In the new testament, the Holy Spirit is in charge of dividing the increase. Abraham and Jacob were not reborn in the Spirit of God, so why must we use the actions of Abraham and Jacob as our guide?
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I think if we were truly give the way they gave let's say when they constructed the tabernacle articles, Temples, heck even in Acts when the sold their lands and divided it amongst the community of believers, we would see more needs met in our assemblies. That's just my thought.
I'm not trying to debate you because I agree with your point here. just want to add my thoughts: unfortunately sacrificial giving is not happening partly because many church organizations are doing nothing with meeting the true needs, so why would God bless their coffers with the attendance of greater stewards? People are just following the same dream for their home as a pastor is for his church organization.
To whom much is given much more will be required.
Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:28:17 PM
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I hate the way that it is taught. They misconstrue Malachi as a quid pro quo clause. But it doesn't work that way, as you pointed out:
"Having done loan officer work and from conversing with others in this field, a large portion of saints have poor credit. Faithful tithe paying saints!"
I find that interesting. Interesting indeed. I have never had credit problems, in part due to using credit sparingly and paying cash or paying early whenever possible. In fact, I paid my mortgage off over 10 years early due to an unexpected blessing from God.
I'm not wealthy by America's standards, but I have never suffered want from faithfully and gratefully worshipping God with at least a tenth of the income He has given me.
And I have done so without missing any bill payments.
Without my family going hungry.
Without my children going without necessities.
What kind of Father would allow His child to suffer for genuinely thanking Him regularly and faithfully?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:38:29 PM
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I find that interesting. Interesting indeed. I have never had credit problems, in part due to using credit sparingly and paying cash or paying early whenever possible. In fact, I paid my mortgage off over 10 years early due to an unexpected blessing from God.
I'm not wealthy by America's standards, but I have never suffered want from faithfully and gratefully worshipping God with at least a tenth of the income He has given me.
And I have done so without missing any bill payments.
Without my family going hungry.
Without my children going without necessities.
Amen and praise God!!
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What kind of Father would allow His child to suffer for genuinely thanking Him regularly and faithfully?
It very well may be a stewardship issue? Jimbo, you have to admit, there have been a lot of abusive, stretched teaching going around in churches these days. Often time people are made to feel like they are going to hell if they don't tithe and that they are cursed for not tithing. Yet you see the preacher in Rolls Royce's and big houses and there of those in their congregation financially strapped. I have no problem with the preaching owning nice things, I just think there needs to be a proper understanding on tithing and what it is used for.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:44:48 PM
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I hate the way that it is taught. They misconstrue Malachi as a quid pro quo clause. But it doesn't work that way, as you pointed out:
"Having done loan officer work and from conversing with others in this field, a large portion of saints have poor credit. Faithful tithe paying saints!"
I find that interesting. Interesting indeed. I have never had credit problems, in part due to using credit sparingly and paying cash or paying early whenever possible. In fact, I paid my mortgage off over 10 years early due to an unexpected blessing from God.
I grew up in a home of 8 kids. My father was the only one who worked. He had a blue collar job. My family struggled and always had debt. I remember him asking family relatives for money to borrow many times. My father would faithfully pay the tithe every Sunday. So i know what idblthink02 is saying.
A good steward isn't measured on what one gives, it's measured by what one has kept.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 12:59:14 PM
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But did the law ever command people to tithe money?
You also must understand that farming and cattle herding was the chief occupations. Gen. 47:3.
Currency was measured in tradeable items, as well as silver and gold, mainly in lifestock and crops.
Which is why the look forward to the latter and former rain, Solomon speaks of your barnes being filled with plenty, ... Haggai 1:11, Deut. 28, and a host of other scriptures.
Today we are not just an agricultural society. So our harvest is in the currency of our wages.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 1:18:27 PM
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I think part of the problem, too, is that we have a tendency to pit OT vs NT. "NT" is a exposition of "OT" not a superceding of it. They quoted heavily from the "OT" in their writings.
They sure did quote OT Scripture in the NT. Several hundred times in fact.
Paul also cited the law pertaining to giving:
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7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Of course, Paul NEVER taught tithing (neither did the other apostles), despite referring to the law.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 1:39:45 PM
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In I Tim. 4:13 alludes to what I said earlier about the liturgy, sunofone.
NMC, in Hebrew 7, this whole chapter describes the similarities in the priestly ministration of the Melchizedek and Levitical order. The order was patterned after the heavenly order. We are now under the Melchizedec priesthood was is far better and is a restoration of all Israel being kings and priests unto God. Under the Levitical order tithes were received...and under the Melchizedec order of the Messiah...tithe are received. As evidenced in the fact that Abraham paid tithes to him.
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 2:18:37 PM
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NMC, in Hebrew 7, this whole chapter describes the similarities in the priestly ministration of the Melchizedek and Levitical order. The order was patterned after the heavenly order. We are now under the Melchizedec priesthood was is far better and is a restoration of all Israel being kings and priests unto God. Under the Levitical order tithes were received...and under the Melchizedec order of the Messiah...tithe are received. As evidenced in the fact that Abraham paid tithes to him.
Actually, it described Christ’s SUPERIORITY in His priestly order, and we’re no longer under the Levite priesthood. Also, the temple veil was torn from top to bottom upon Christ’s finishing His work on the cross.
Please read the whole passage, and especially note v. 26-28.
Heb 7:1-28
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 FOR SUCH AN HIGH PRIEST BECAME US, WHO IS HOLY, HARMLESS, UNDEFILED, SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, AND MADE HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS;
27 WHO NEEDETH NOT DAILY, AS THOSE HIGH PRIESTS, TO OFFER UP SACRIFICE, FIRST FOR HIS OWN SINS, AND THEN FOR THE PEOPLE'S: FOR THIS HE DID ONCE, WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIMSELF.
28 FOR THE LAW MAKETH MEN HIGH PRIESTS WHICH HAVE INFIRMITY; BUT THE WORD OF THE OATH, WHICH WAS SINCE THE LAW, MAKETH THE SON, WHO IS CONSECRATED FOR EVERMORE.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 2:23:07 PM
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We are now under the Melchizedec priesthood was is far better and is a restoration of all Israel being kings and priests unto God. Under the Levitical order tithes were received...and under the Melchizedec order of the Messiah...tithe are received. As evidenced in the fact that Abraham paid tithes to him.
You say this as if we are to obey tithing in commemoration of Jesus' priesthood, just as we obey the Lords table to commemorate his death.
Jesus is also the lamb of God, but that doesn't mean we are to offer lambs to him. (1 Peter 1:19)
Jesus is also the first fruit, but we don't still offer our first born sons (1 Corinthians 15:20)
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 3:56:12 PM
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NMC & jbbaab44, what's your point? What about what Christ words?
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Jesus is also the first fruit, but we don't still offer our first born sons (1 Corinthians 15:20)
What?!! Offer our first born sons? What do you mean?
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 4:09:59 PM
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NMC & jbbaab44, what's your point? What about what Christ words?
Please restate the question. I'm not sure what you're asking.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
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"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Tithes and Offerings - One Stop Thread - 6/23/2008 4:12:55 PM
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NMC & jbbaab44, what's your point? What about what Christ words?
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Jesus is also the first fruit, but we don't still offer our first born sons (1 Corinthians 15:20)
What?!! Offer our first born sons? What do you mean?
Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Consecrate to Me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and beast; it is Mine.”
You shall not delay to offer the first of your ripe produce and your juices. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to Me.
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