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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/9/2008 3:02:02 PM
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I appreciate this post and the like minded Christians.
I wouldn't be surprised I don't think, if Obama was the antichrist.
We will all know I imagine, sooner rather than later.
I won't be voting for him, I cannot and will not support someone who supports partial birth abortion, abortion of any kind, that has the muslim ties that he has, that is as UNpatriotic as he is.
Never, I will never believe in him or choose him, I will never support him.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/9/2008 11:39:09 PM
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Where is the center of the world as God sees it Robert G?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/9/2008 11:45:39 PM
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What kills me is how so many americans (and I am one) interpret Revelation as if the Left Behind series was canonical. Revelation is about Rome,
Revelation is about Israel, not Rome as such. God could care less about Rome as a nation or group of nations but He does care about Israel.
The Antichrist could come from any nation as long as the line is Japhetic.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/14/2008 8:00:22 PM
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i believe the center of the world as God sees it is Israel, Jerusalem in particular
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/14/2008 10:14:23 PM
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i believe the center of the world as God sees it is Israel, Jerusalem in particular
litfire...you are dead on. Everyone wants to talk about America or some other part of the world but Revelation takes place in the Middle East and particular Israel. The historical battles of religion have taken place in Israel and centered on Jerusalem and that is where the finial conflict will occur.
Revelation is about God coming for His chosen people and when the smoke clears those chosen will call out to the LORD, saying “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/15/2008 3:00:55 PM
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Where is the Christ in you? That's an awful thing to say about another person let alone someone who profess CHRIST. What makes YOU so special? Who made YOU God to judge whether someone is good enough. This sickens me about my fellow believers. First of all, if you READ and understand the definition of someone who is anti-Christian, you'd know that they would be against Christ and His ways. They would denounce him. No one HAS to be a Christian to run for presidency. So, what's his reason to "fake" it? He would not have sat in a church, albeit one that YOU may not approve of, for 20 years, be baptized, have his children baptized, and profess Christ and his salvation if he was at best an atheist. There are many political atheist in office.
What does that argument leave us? If we don't LIKE someone, then they must be soooooo bad we label them the lowest thing we can think of? How dare we as Christians show so much lack of love for a fellow believer. How would we feel if OUR salvation was questioned and scrutinized just because someone didn't agree with our opinions or how we govern? Salvation is something sacred and personal for every believer and I question those who have the nerve to question the salvation of others. That is not for us to trouble ourselves with.
The last time I checked, the Bible says the devil sows discord. Would someone be a community ORGANIZER of CHURCHES of all things if they were an agent of the devil? PLEASE get your heads out of your own tails and use REASON and not fanciful myths and tales to whet your ungodly appetites for discord and hate.
Check yourselves! Ever heard of "love your neighbor as yourselves? We accuse other nations of loving us for who we may elect us office? You accuse Obama for wanting to love his neighbor? What about love your enemies? Even though they may do us harm? Hmmmm. Tough one huh? We just want to go to war right? Hate everyone that's not like us. Even one of our own brothers in Christ. My goodness! What have we come to as a people where we would rather turn on our own because they have different opinions? We are all part of the same fold though we are different in many ways. Reality check people, we're not above reproach. Pride does go before a fall. Humbleness would call us to pray for our leaders and thank God we still have a free nation to express our opinions, worship and share in our faith, and do as we please. But to call someone the anti-Christ because they are well received by others is not Christ at all. It's actually anti-Christ. Is it Jealousy? Envy? Cannot Christ raise up a leader that is well-received by many? Does it always have to be war-time? A great general against a world of hatred? Check your own hearts and minds and realize where your ideas come from. The source is not always Christ. Think twice before you tear your brother down and call him not of God. Because perhaps the same could be said of you according to someone else's OPINIONS.
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"Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/15/2008 3:23:51 PM
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adelphi_sky...
It would help if you would reference who and what you are condemning.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/15/2008 4:21:32 PM
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/16/2008 1:59:40 PM
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You Americans kill me sometimes. The U.S.A. is NOT the center of the world.
Chances are the Anti Christ will NOT come out of the U.S.
There is a much better chance he will come out of the Middle East. Even Rome has a better chance of producing the Anti Christ then the U.S.A.....lol.
amen.
What kills me is how so many americans (and I am one) interpret Revelation as if the Left Behind series was canonical. Revelation is about Rome, friends, and it was predominately concerned with the Roman Empire out of which it was written. 666 is not some number to be looking out for but was the the codename for Nero.
Obama is not the anti-christ. When will people learn from 2000 years of failed predictions like this that they are looking for the wrong thing?
I'll be voting for him.
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Ur correct. Obama isnt the anti-christ. Because alot of people know hes full of it. The anti-christ will be loved by nearly all of the world.
And just because i want you to proove something...what part of the Left Behind Series did you find innacurate?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/17/2008 2:20:02 PM
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...what part of the Left Behind Series did you find innacurate?
Where to start... Maybe where people that rejected the Gospel all the sudden go saved after the rapture. Or maybe where someone took the Mark of the Beast but was saved.
If someone reads the LB series before reading the Bible, they'll get a version of the end times created for the mass market and to fill Mr. LaHaye's bank account.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/17/2008 2:57:27 PM
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Amen Jimbo...
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/18/2008 1:36:41 PM
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...what part of the Left Behind Series did you find innacurate?
Where to start... Maybe where people that rejected the Gospel all the sudden go saved after the rapture. Or maybe where someone took the Mark of the Beast but was saved.
If someone reads the LB series before reading the Bible, they'll get a version of the end times created for the mass market and to fill Mr. LaHaye's bank account.
Okay apparently you read the books. I havent. Ive just seen the movies. And nowhere in the movies did that happen.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/18/2008 2:18:12 PM
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What does this have to do with BO being the AntiMessiah? Just curious!!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/18/2008 8:05:50 PM
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What does this have to do with BO being the AntiMessiah? Just curious!!
If I had to guess, it would be because many modern Christians get their ideas of who/what the Anti-Christ should be based on Mr. LeHaye's books.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/19/2008 6:54:22 AM
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What does this have to do with BO being the AntiMessiah? Just curious!!
If I had to guess, it would be because many modern Christians get their ideas of who/what the Anti-Christ should be based on Mr. LeHaye's books.
lol
Good guess.
But thats not where i get it from. Ive never read the books.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 9/19/2008 7:49:24 AM
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The problem with the BO being the AntiMessiah is this: All the events take place in the Middle East. AntiMessiah arises out of one of the territories of Alexander the Great. More precisely, in the Syrian area where Seleucid, one of his general reigned. See Daniel 11. Vs 2-4 (Alexander's rise, sudden death, kingdom divided into 4 divisions) The king of the South is Egypt and the king of the North is Syria (where AntiMessiah comes from). Read the rest of the chapter.
Cleopatra/Antiochus Epiphanies and some others definitely fulfilled these prophesies to a "T" but will see more fulfillment in the endtimes (hint: in our day).
Certainly the Roman Empire ruled in the Middle East during the time of John's Revelation but I don't see a rise of the Roman Empire. I think the Ottoman Empire 9 (Islam) seem to fit the mold much better. Look at he is ruling there now...they make a good candidate, IMO. Try Syria's or Iran's president or dictator. Now whether he stay in office is to be seen.
Obama will not win the election (my prediction) in the USA, He does not occupy the regions of Syria or any Middle East contrary for that matter, he doesn't have any military prowess. This disqualifies him from being the AntiMessiah prophesied in Daniel, Thessalonians, and Revelation.
The USA plays a strong role in "dividing or parting the land of Israel" which will and is bringing about judgment. We are strong in support of and is active in bringing about a Palestian State. Obadiah 15, Joel 3:2, Ezekiel 36:1-7...
Russia is in bed with Syria, Iran, and other major players and relations between the USA and Russia are very strained. I believe the US and Russia are planning war. I think we really need to pray.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 10/10/2008 7:15:20 AM
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In Obama's years as a community organizer he was hired by some students of Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky was a Marxist community organizer in Chicago. Alinsky died in the 70's but wrote, in 1972, what many socialists believe to be his greatest book, "Rules for Radicals". As a community organizer, Obama used what is known today as the "Alinsky Method" in his work. Obama also did a few lectures in Harvard, on the "Alinsky Method".
I am sure someone will bring up the fact that Alinsky's work during the Chicago rent strikes was endorsed by the Catholic Church but that was well before he wrote "Rules for Radicals".
Obama is using the "Alinsky Method" in his campaign for the Presidency. Fact: The Boston Globe posted the content of a letter from Saul Alinsky's son, who praised the Obama camp and the DNC for using his father's "Alinsky Method".
Fact: Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, "Rules for Radicals", to Lucifer. You read it right...to Lucifer.
I believe in God and Jesus but I do not believe that any means justifies the ends. I cannot tell anyone what is in Obama's heart but I know what is in my heart and how I will vote in this election. Everyone has to make their own choice at this point and judge with your head and heart, who will be the next President.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/2/2008 1:51:32 PM
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What do you think concerning him? Many say he is a Muslim lying saying he is a Christian until he has his seat as leader of The so called free world.Many dont know much about him but want to vote for him because of his decent.Some are saying Rice will be his running mate.He sat under a man full of animosity for America for years but now that he is running for President has distanced himself from him, all of a sudden now he doesnt believe the controversal things his former Rev. believes, hummm sounds fishy to me.Some think he sounds like a Dictator .Some thinks hes the answer to their prayers.He is a millioniare so he is sucessful with funds.He doesnt put his hand over his heart for The National Anthem.He does believe in a womans right to have an abortion.I will not vote for him no matter what decent he is from and I pray that everyone knows the facts before they put the next person in office.
Sorry for being so 'British', but what do they mean when they say 'his decent'? Or is that a silly question. Either way. Is it just me, or in the past haven't Americans been really selective and careful about their possible presidents?
I know it was a longish time ago, but I remember seeing footage of the Beatlemania in the USA and how they loved John Lennon. But the minute he said 'I am bigger than Jesus Christ at the moment', those same fans dropped him like a hot brick and burned all their records etc because of him making that statement!
How is it this Obama can dis the sermon on the mount so openly, and the bible in general, and people clap, and still love him and he leads all the poles? It disturbs me greatly.
As I say, i'm very much an outsider and don't fully see what's going on at a daily level, so forgive me if i'm way off mark.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/2/2008 4:54:59 PM
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I live in the very republican state of Idaho, at a ski resort. The ski resort is mostly liberal. I think that my husband and I are about the only ones who are conservative.
I see the people that I know following Obama blindly. For example, my friends and I both have a lot of property up here for sale. Both families are struggeling. When my husband or I bring up the capital gains tax that Obama says that he would increase; my friends tell us to shut up as they begin to practically yell at us because "Palin is an idiot". See, I know that they automatically lable us in their minds as "unintelligent" because we are Christian Republicans. The truth is, we supported Ron Paul.
My husband was at the resort pub when a girl handed him an Obama pin. My husband said "I don't need a pin, I'm not voting for Obama." She broke out into a scream about how much of an idiot myhusband is, while yelling every four letter word at him. His response was "You know what? You sound just like a republican who yelled at me because I told them that I wouldn't vote for Bush."
The other night when my kids were playing at our aforementioned friends, they started raving about how Sarah Palin is "such an idiot". My husband started telling them his points of view and the mom started yelling him not to disrespect her house by saying what he was saying. The mom was born in England and she is reading Echart Tollea's book "The Secret".
So from what I see personally, a lot of people who are supporting Obama are supporting his ideologies and are absolutely unable to hear someone elses point of view. All of the supporters that I have personally talked to think that a one world type of government would be great and that it should happen.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/2/2008 6:10:38 PM
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So what do they mean when they say 'his decent'?
I know exactly what you are saying. I've lost count of the news reports that are questioning the extreme loyalties of people towards Obama that don't really know too much about him.
Again and again I read that the frenzied reactions of many that follow him are almost cultish in nature and many seem to give him almost a savior status.
I'm not about to say that I think Obama is anti-christ lol, but i've said it before, it shows how the world seems ready to follow a leader into a new world of thinking, especially if he promises to solve the financial problem, foreign oil problems, terrorist situation, the Iraq problem and any other problem that's been threatening our peace of mind of late.
Here's a serious report from a website i found a few days ago;
The Obama Messiah Watch
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com
Introducing a periodic feature considering evidence that Obama is the son of God.
By Timothy Noah
"Is Barack Obama—junior U.S. senator from Illinois, best-selling author, Harvard Law Review editor, Men's Vogue cover model, and "exploratory" presidential candidate—the second coming of our Savior and our Redeemer, Prince of Peace and King of Kings, Jesus Christ? His press coverage suggests we can't dismiss this possibility out of hand. I therefore inaugurate the Obama Messiah Watch, which will periodically highlight gratuitously adoring biographical details that appear in newspaper, television, and magazine profiles of this otherworldly presence in our midst."
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"I Will Follow Him": Obama As My Personal Jesus!
Obama is my homeboy. And I'm not saying that because he's black - I'm saying that in reference to those Urban Outfitters t-shirts from a couple years ago that said, "Jesus is my homeboy." Yes, I just said it. Obama is my Jesus.
As with many spiritual enlightenments, mine came in the middle of a bleak, hopeless period of my life. Then I began to realize I wasn't the only one trying to buy a WWOD bracelet and spending my weekends scouring CNN.com. The rock star-type love for Obama wasn't just because he was pretty and in the media. Others too, had seen him as a shining light, heard that mythical voice boom out over the mountaintops; people were wearing the t-shirt because they would rather wear something representing a politician than a pop star. People everywhere, young and old, were caring again. So what's the problem here?
I've officially been saved, and soon, whether they like it or not, the rest of the country will be too. I will follow him, all the way to the White House, and I'll be standing there in our nation's capital in January 2009, when Barack Obama is inaugurated as the 44th president of the United States of America. In the name of Obama, Amen.
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Media figures call Obama supporters' behavior "creepy," compare them to Hare Krishna and Manson followers
In recent days, numerous media figures have likened Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama's (IL) supporters to members of a cult, and several have described his supporters' enthusiasm as "creepy." For instance:
In a February 8 Los Angeles Times column headlined "He's got Obamaphilia," Joel Stein referred to Obama's popularity as "Obamaphilia" and his supporters as "Obamaphiles" and members of "the Cult of Obama." Stein asserted: "Obamaphilia has gotten creepy. I couldn't figure out if the two canvassers who came to my door Sunday had taken Ecstasy or were just fantasizing about an Obama presidency, but I feared they were going to hug me."
In the "Yes We Can" music video of Obama's Jan. 8 speech, I spotted Eric Christian Olsen, a very smart actor I know. (His line is "Yes we can.") I called to see if he had gone all bobby-soxer for Obama, or if he was just shrewdly taking a part in a project that upped his Q rating.
Turns out Olsen not only contributed money, he volunteered in Iowa and California and made hundreds of calls. He also sent out a mass e-mail to his friends that contained these lines: "Nothing is more fundamentally powerful than how I felt when I met him. I stood, my hand embraced in his, and ... I felt something ... something that I can only describe as an overpowering sense of Hope."
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Sorry, but this just creeps me out!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/2/2008 9:39:09 PM
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I'm not about to say that I think Obama is anti-christ lol,
Well I'm not going to sell the guy short...I think he fits the profile very well and if he wins this election he is very much a suspect in my book.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/3/2008 12:26:25 AM
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I am a socially conservative Republican who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. I have been a registered Republican all my life but I believe your comments about Barack Obama are malicious and very judgemental.
Oh really?
Well whatever he said didn't go far enough.
Obama is a liberal, racist, Marxist, UN-American.
He is not fit to be President.
We can count on the youth and the uniformed who rely upon the drive-by media, who led by the liberal elites of academia and politics have deliberately misled the populace as much as they can. The news coverage is as one-sided as it can be. Personally, I am sick of the whole thing and I hope this idiot gets rejected. I really don't care if the blacks riot in the streets; voting for Obama just because of his skin color is stupid, dumb and racist.
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