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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/24/2008 11:25:19 PM
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MrFribbles
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Leaders have spouted rhetoric that would seemingly unite the secular world before... World hasn't ended yet.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/24/2008 11:42:20 PM
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Yes but it will one of these days.
MrFibbles...why do i get the feeling that you have a soft spot for Obama?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/24/2008 11:48:04 PM
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MrFribbles
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MrFibbles...why do i get the feeling that you have a soft spot for Obama?
Not at all. I'm a Libertarian. I just dislike anti-christing popular public figures because people disagree with their views, or make the same connections that've been made with pretty much every world leader since Christ's time on earth.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/25/2008 12:21:21 AM
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In this news article it sure sounds like Barack Obama is talking about Himself as being the one who'll create a unified planet, or New World Order if you will. Over and over again I find myself thinking that this guy must be a biblical End Times figure from the way he speaks and the way people are enamoured by him though they don't know why.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12028.html
Obama promises to 'remake the world'
Billed as a speech about Transatlantic relations, it turned out to be a manifesto for the planet, with an appeal to “the burdens of global citizenship.”
* Obama also makes it clear where he stands on the border security fence that America wants between us and Mexico to try too curb illegals aliens and terrorists from entering our country...
“The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand,” he said. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christians and Muslims and Jews cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”
* Also, in December of 2001 in Chicago, IL where Barack Obama lives, was it mere coincidence when the president of the Illinois Division of the United Nations Association of the United States said that '...despite the chaos in the world today... "Within 10 years time, you're going to see the beginnings of an embryonic world order." '
* Similarly, in October 2007, in a speech in South Carolina, Barack made this curious request... 'Barack Obama asked a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth." '
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Why would a person wanting to be the US president talk about wanting to create a kingdom here on earth? While I don't think he's 'the' anti-christ, given what we know about him, his background, his choice of words and friends, and how people all over the world are drawn to him - though few can give a reasonable answer why... if he is not tied into the end time prophecies, then he's as close as we've ever seen. Time to get our affairs in order don't you think?
Shalom, i-live-2-ride.
It's always BEEN time to "get our affairs in order!" With an imminent return of our Lord promised, we need to "always be ready!" Why should a presidential candidate (of a foreign [goyim, Gentile] nation, I might add) important mostly to this country alone (which is NOT the whole earth, let alone the Land of Isra'el for whom the prophecies were written) why should HE be considered the primary, prophetic threat of the Last Days?
Again, there is only a SLIGHT chance that he might play some significant, prophetic role, and actually, his chances are slim to none!
I would actually be more concerned about some Jewish leader with aspirations of becoming Isra'el's prime minister who is bent on convincing the Jews that they no longer need adhere to the Law of God delivered through Moshe (Moses)! HE would be the "man of lawlessness."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/25/2008 12:22:08 AM
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Not at all. I'm a Libertarian.
Excellent...I'll sleep better tonight. 
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/25/2008 12:29:26 AM
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Retrobyter
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Yes but it will one of these days.
MrFibbles...why do i get the feeling that you have a soft spot for Obama?
Bob
Shalom, Bob.
Ditto to MrFribbles. I, too, do not necessarily endorse (or oppose) Senator Obama. I just don't like all the pointless speculation. Stick with teaching the truth that HAS ALREADY been shared with us about the "man of lawlessness" or the "beast" and all will be clear when he arises.
In the meantime, however, we SHOULD oppose any and every spirit that would diminish the believer's presence as salt and light. Thus, we should be wary about any attempt or wind of attempt to squelch the Gospel and the freedom to share it with others.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/29/2008 6:33:20 PM
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Seems to me like they're after our money, quite frankly... I'm also curious as to how exactly they have "risked their life to expose the antichrist."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/29/2008 7:38:04 PM
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The talk in here is not the talk of CHRISTIANS that my baptist minister dad taught me. The hating of any religious group, muslim, jews, etc. is appalling. Instead of HATING them we should be out on a mission to get them to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Read Romans 3:23!
Then the talk of Obama being the anti-christ (just as it was with Bush) is so not Christian it is sickening. Real Christians DONT READ Hagee but read the Bible and understand what form the ant-christ will come in as well as those working for the anti-christ.
It is ashame and as a Christian I will not continue to read this hate stuff. Are you people so morphed by your supposed sinless life that you cant see how much of a sinner you are?!?!?!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/29/2008 10:28:29 PM
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MrFribbles
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ImFree31,
I'm not sure quite where you're coming from. What hate-filled speech are you talking about, specifically? Also, where has someone claimed to be sinless?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/29/2008 10:55:28 PM
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ImFree31...I don't know about you but I test all things and the potentially higher authority one has the greater the test. A man is known by the fruit of his labor not his promises, so I intend to look at all leaders that I am charged with voting for and will vote for the one that will bring the best of a God driven spiritual opportunity to man kind.
Any man of high authority has the potential of being either an antichrist or the antichrist and I will watch all such men with a skeptical eye. One thing that God has granted those of us who search the scripture is a discerning eye which will enable us to prevail against what is still to come. I may not see it in my life time but if I do I intend to know what I’m looking at.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/29/2008 10:56:59 PM
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I have just listened to Obama's Berlin speach. First of all, it did not seem to me to be the speach of a man who is "all empty rhetoric".......it was clearly the product of a man with a brilliant mind and with the oratorical skills to communicate powerful ideas. I certainly could not imagine George Bush making such a speach!!
The prospect of an internationally popular US president is also an interesting one.
These two factors certainly mean that he is a far more likely candidate for AC than GWB ever was.
The fact is - one day the real AC will reveal himself, that is certain, and probably imminent, in my view.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/30/2008 3:56:16 AM
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Greetings! I love the bread idea for the world that Obama has introduced into Congress. I believe that this is the type of person that has strong skills in this area of vision. Yet, he does not have to be President for this to be passed. I am certain that the issue of full term abortions, or (abortion in general) is important, though, to many people as well.
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I have just listened to Obama's Berlin speach. First of all, it did not seem to me to be the speach of a man who is "all empty rhetoric".......it was clearly the product of a man with a brilliant mind and with the oratorical skills to communicate powerful ideas. I certainly could not imagine George Bush making such a speach!!
The prospect of an internationally popular US president is also an interesting one.
These two factors certainly mean that he is a far more likely candidate for AC than GWB ever was.
The fact is - one day the real AC will reveal himself, that is certain, and probably imminent, in my view.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/30/2008 12:28:23 PM
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Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,
Rev 1:2 who bore record of the Word of God and of the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is near.
The book of Revelation says BLESSED is the one that reads this prophecy. I don't believe any other Book says that?
I try not to hate anyone, but YO momma is in this book in Chap 13.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/30/2008 2:22:24 PM
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Blessed are those, rather, that keep the keep the Words of the Prophecy in this book is what is written, also. That one is careful to keep the commandments of Jesus showing yourselves to Truly be My disciples in that one bears much Fruit of The Holy Spirit of God in accordance with remaining in The Garden of God.
Therefore, is the killing of babies to the mammon monster what you would call not 'baal' worship, instead? It is written: that they put their children through the fire to Molech and buried them in their doorposts as abominable sacrifices for their own prosperity.
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Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,
Rev 1:2 who bore record of the Word of God and of the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is near.
The book of Revelation says BLESSED is the one that reads this prophecy. I don't believe any other Book says that?
I try not to hate anyone, but YO momma is in this book in Chap 13.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/31/2008 1:31:30 AM
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 7/31/2008 4:26:57 PM
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Real Christians DONT READ Hagee but read the Bible and understand
I am so relieved. Now I know I'm a real christian. LOL.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/5/2008 1:37:42 PM
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I am a supporter of the POSSIBILITY that Obama is the Antichrist. Why? For a variety of reasons:
1. I think that it is plausible that the Antichrist would be the president of the United States because in order for there to be peace in the middle East, Israel must agree to this peace. The only real ally Israel has is the United States. So, I would not be surprised that the President of the US would be the key instrument in creating a peace treaty as prophesied in the end times. (others have expected the president to be the Antichrist due to the acknowledged power of the position- even though I never did)
2. I do not think that the Antichrist could be a white man because it would be very difficult for the middle eastern societies to accept a compromise/guidance from a white man. Furthermore, the Antichrist will ultimately convince the Muslims that he is the Messiah and they would have difficulty accepting this if he was a rich white guy.
3. The Antichrist is expected to have a world-wide cult-like following in order to "unite" the world. Obama has been very good at saying absolutely nothing of substance thereby allowing his audience to believe that his beliefs parallel their own. Other dictators and false leaders have had similar cult-like followings but in a more region- specific sense. Obama made it clear during his speech in Berlin that he was coming to them as a "fellow citizen of the world" and he did not even visit the US troops while he was there. He wants to appeal to everyone, not just his own country.
4. Obama's diverse racial and spiritual background appeals to the masses. Muslim's believe that because his father was Muslim and because he went to Muslim school for a few years and has a Muslim name that he is considered a Muslim. Christians believe that since he went to church and says that he is Christian that he is a Christian. Jewish people also like him because of his liberal stance and participation at events such as the Wailing Wall.
5. Obama is not a Christian even though he proports to be. He does not believe in Heaven and Hell. Of course his stance on abortion rights is disgusting and the church he attended for 20 years is openly hate-filled (even though HE didn't hear the comments the congregation did and these are the people he fellowships with.)
6. The Antichrist is not going to disclaim the Christian church or claim to be God until after the peace treaty is signed and the third temple in Israel is built.
7. The Antichrist is expected not to have any sons.
8. The 5,000 year old Mayan calendar mysteriously start over on Dec. 21, 2012 (during this presidential term) and astronomers expect a major galactic shift on this date at 11:11. This could possibly support a mid-tribulation theory (where 3.5 years after the peace treaty is signed the elect (believers) are raptured. The world is left believing that the "rapture" is really just a result of a catastrophic event that took place on this date and the next 3.5 years would be the "great tribulation" - just a possibility. I never thought of myself a mid-trib believer). I think this galactic shift is widely accepted by the scientific community, although the extent of the effects to Earth varies and is really unknown.
There are a lot more reasons but I want to keep this post relatively short! I personally cannot believe that I am even posting this because at first it seemed so silly . . . but I must admit that it is a possibility. In fact, I don't understand why people get so upset over this topic. I am not trying to sway votes or anything silly like that. I think if he is the Antichrist then we can't do anything about it. I am tired of hearing people discredit this immediately and say that this is what "Republicans do every time a democrat is in office." While I have not agreed with this in the past, this is what we are called to do. That is why it is put in the scriptures. I think those who are voting for him are just really worried that they are being duped and so are overly defensive about this topic. Relax. No one can prove this one way or the other until the Antichrist stands in the temple in Israel and claims to be God.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/5/2008 3:06:57 PM
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I am a supporter of the POSSIBILITY that Obama is the Antichrist.
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No one can prove this one way or the other until the Antichrist stands in the temple in Israel and claims to be God.
I think you've got the right attitude. You know what you believe, you know why you believe it, but admit the possibility that things could end up going the other way. Keep it up!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/5/2008 6:48:44 PM
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1. I think that it is plausible that the Antichrist would be the president of the United States because in order for there to be peace in the middle East, Israel must agree to this peace.
2. I do not think that the Antichrist could be a white man because it would be very difficult for the middle eastern societies to accept a compromise/guidance from a white man. Furthermore, the Antichrist will ultimately convince the Muslims that he is the Messiah and they would have difficulty accepting this if he was a rich white guy.
3. The Antichrist is expected to have a world-wide cult-like following in order to "unite" the world.
4. Obama's diverse racial and spiritual background appeals to the masses.
5. Obama is not a Christian even though he proports to be.
6. The Antichrist is not going to disclaim the Christian church or claim to be God until after the peace treaty is signed and the third temple in Israel is built.
7. The Antichrist is expected not to have any sons.
8. The 5,000 year old Mayan calendar mysteriously start over on Dec. 21, 2012 (during this presidential term) and astronomers expect a major galactic shift on this date at 11:11. This could possibly support a mid-tribulation theory (where 3.5 years after the peace treaty is signed the elect (believers) are raptured. The world is left believing that the "rapture" is really just a result of a catastrophic event that took place on this date and the next 3.5 years would be the "great tribulation" - just a possibility. I never thought of myself a mid-trib believer). I think this galactic shift is widely accepted by the scientific community, although the extent of the effects to Earth varies and is really unknown.
1. You have it backwards: Israel is the tail that wags the dog (USA)
2. Assuming that all Muslims are idiots.
3. Muhammed Ali has a world-wide following greater tha Obama ever will.
4. So does Mariah Carey's.
5. I don't believe in questioning anothers statement of faith. I didn't question W's either.
6. See # 1
7. Scripture reference?
8. See # 7.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/5/2008 9:05:18 PM
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I think purplepearl makes some excellent points. She/He also makes the point that we really don't know...but we'd be stupid to rule out Obama and not keep a close eye on him.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/6/2008 11:28:25 AM
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I think purplepearl makes some excellent points. She/He also makes the point that we really don't know...but we'd be stupid to rule out Obama and not keep a close eye on him.
Likewise Henry Kissinger, Prince Charles, JFK, Javier Solana, Tiger Woods, ad nauseum.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/6/2008 1:06:55 PM
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I think purplepearl makes some excellent points. She/He also makes the point that we really don't know...but we'd be stupid to rule out Obama and not keep a close eye on him.
Likewise Henry Kissinger, Prince Charles, JFK, Javier Solana, Tiger Woods, ad nauseum.
Yep...we simply watch with a discerning eye and let God be the one who closes the doors.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/6/2008 10:56:13 PM
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I wouldn't quit my day job.
Would'nt that be the least of your worries if Yo Momma is the ONE?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 8/7/2008 9:25:55 AM
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What do you think concerning him? Many say he is a Muslim lying saying he is a Christian until he has his seat as leader of The so called free world.Many dont know much about him but want to vote for him because of his decent.Some are saying Rice will be his running mate.He sat under a man full of animosity for America for years but now that he is running for President has distanced himself from him, all of a sudden now he doesnt believe the controversal things his former Rev. believes, hummm sounds fishy to me.Some think he sounds like a Dictator .Some thinks hes the answer to their prayers.He is a millioniare so he is sucessful with funds.He doesnt put his hand over his heart for The National Anthem.He does believe in a womans right to have an abortion.I will not vote for him no matter what decent he is from and I pray that everyone knows the facts before they put the next person in office.
I've heard several people say that they think he's the anti-Christ. Even if he isn't the final anti-Christ, he's the type who would be.
He arose out of nowhere, gives off a messainic aura by his speech in Berlin last week claiming to break the barriers between blacks and whites, Muslims and Jews, rich and poor and be the general healer of all nations.  He is loved by many and tries to be a friend to all. So he's definitely an anti-Christ whether or not he'll be the final anti-Christ remains to be seen.
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