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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/5/2008 8:54:54 PM
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ObviousLee
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Not me! Doctor Who lost it when they went hi-tech special effects. Now, it's just a British Star Trek, Battle Star Galactica, etc. It's a whole different show now. The real Doctor Who battled aliens in rubber suits in London quarries depicted as other planets, and ran through hallways of abandoned factories and corporate buildings. If God had intended for Daleks to fly, he would have gave them strings. Hail Tom Baker!!!!
Star Trek would never have a David Tennant. John de Lancie's portrayal of Q was the closest thing, and that was used very sparingly. BSG is a whole different ball game, although there are a few campy moments, it's a very dark show.
BTW...if anyone likes classic Doctor Who and is considering getting Verizon FIOS, there's an OnDemand channel called Illusion that shows classic DW as well as old sci-fi movies, other BBC sci-fi, anime, etc. Right now they're doing a Tom Baker series, but before that it was a 2nd Doctor series, so they aren't going in order or anything.
It's certainly true that there are significant differences between DW, ST, and BSG in terms of plot, characters (traits, etc.). However, there seems to be common themes that revolve a lot around the special fx used nowadays in variuos Sci-Fi series in general.
BTW, that channel you're referring to sounds great! I love old sci-fi movies.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/5/2008 9:25:01 PM
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I thoroughly enjoyed Silence in the Library and am having a hard time waiting for the second part!
Me too!
My son watched it tonight (we'd recorded it for him) and he really really really wants to see the next part NOW!
And my daughter keeps declaring "Donna Noble has been saved, Donna Noble has left the building" at all kinds of random moments! lol
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I am looking forward to next series when Steven Moffatt begins writing as head...I absolutely loved Blink last series and can't wait to see what else he has in him.
Yes, absolutely!!
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 8:06:58 AM
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Not me! Doctor Who lost it when they went hi-tech special effects. Now, it's just a British Star Trek, Battle Star Galactica, etc. It's a whole different show now. The real Doctor Who battled aliens in rubber suits in London quarries depicted as other planets, and ran through hallways of abandoned factories and corporate buildings. If God had intended for Daleks to fly, he would have gave them strings. Hail Tom Baker!!!!
Star Trek would never have a David Tennant. John de Lancie's portrayal of Q was the closest thing, and that was used very sparingly. BSG is a whole different ball game, although there are a few campy moments, it's a very dark show.
BTW...if anyone likes classic Doctor Who and is considering getting Verizon FIOS, there's an OnDemand channel called Illusion that shows classic DW as well as old sci-fi movies, other BBC sci-fi, anime, etc. Right now they're doing a Tom Baker series, but before that it was a 2nd Doctor series, so they aren't going in order or anything.
It's certainly true that there are significant differences between DW, ST, and BSG in terms of plot, characters (traits, etc.). However, there seems to be common themes that revolve a lot around the special fx used nowadays in variuos Sci-Fi series in general.
BTW, that channel you're referring to sounds great! I love old sci-fi movies.
That's interesting comparing Q and the Dr.: all-wise aliens who drop into humanity and tell them what they're doing wrong. However, (and this pains me to admit since I loved Q), I'll vote for Tennant as my favorite. Those eyes and that accent get me every time. 
I also agree that you can become overdependent on FX to the detriment of story, character, etc. That's what happened with a certain series of sci-fi movies.  Overall, however, I think that DW has used its FX very well. As I said, I've been very impressed with this season. The writing is much stronger than what I saw last season.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 11:52:28 AM
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Not me! Doctor Who lost it when they went hi-tech special effects. Now, it's just a British Star Trek, Battle Star Galactica, etc. It's a whole different show now. The real Doctor Who battled aliens in rubber suits in London quarries depicted as other planets, and ran through hallways of abandoned factories and corporate buildings. If God had intended for Daleks to fly, he would have gave them strings. Hail Tom Baker!!!!
Star Trek would never have a David Tennant. John de Lancie's portrayal of Q was the closest thing, and that was used very sparingly. BSG is a whole different ball game, although there are a few campy moments, it's a very dark show.
BTW...if anyone likes classic Doctor Who and is considering getting Verizon FIOS, there's an OnDemand channel called Illusion that shows classic DW as well as old sci-fi movies, other BBC sci-fi, anime, etc. Right now they're doing a Tom Baker series, but before that it was a 2nd Doctor series, so they aren't going in order or anything.
It's certainly true that there are significant differences between DW, ST, and BSG in terms of plot, characters (traits, etc.). However, there seems to be common themes that revolve a lot around the special fx used nowadays in variuos Sci-Fi series in general.
BTW, that channel you're referring to sounds great! I love old sci-fi movies.
That's interesting comparing Q and the Dr.: all-wise aliens who drop into humanity and tell them what they're doing wrong. However, (and this pains me to admit since I loved Q), I'll vote for Tennant as my favorite. Those eyes and that accent get me every time.
I also agree that you can become overdependent on FX to the detriment of story, character, etc. That's what happened with a certain series of sci-fi movies. Overall, however, I think that DW has used its FX very well. As I said, I've been very impressed with this season. The writing is much stronger than what I saw last season.
Have you ever by chance seen any of the old episodes with Tom Baker playing the Doctor? He brought a more comical element to DW. The prior Doctors were far more serious. I think TB had the longest go at it, and brought a certain charm to the show. Since then, some of the Doctors have had a definite lighter side to them, including the newer ones. If you've not seen any of the old episodes with TB, I'd strongly recommend checking it out, for historical purposes if nothing else.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 12:38:11 PM
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I always thought it was funny when Tom Baker as the doctor got teased for his big ears.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 1:03:46 PM
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Have you ever by chance seen any of the old episodes with Tom Baker playing the Doctor? He brought a more comical element to DW. The prior Doctors were far more serious. I think TB had the longest go at it, and brought a certain charm to the show. Since then, some of the Doctors have had a definite lighter side to them, including the newer ones. If you've not seen any of the old episodes with TB, I'd strongly recommend checking it out, for historical purposes if nothing else.
I've seen every Doctor, right from William Hartnell.
I don't think that Tom Baker was the first Doctor to introduce the comical element - you couldn't get much more comical than Patrick Troughton!!
Tom Baker wasn't a particular favourite of mine - I liked Jon Pertwee. That was until the new Doctor Who kicked in - because I loved Christopher Eccleston, and *adore* David Tennant!
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 6:32:26 PM
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And my daughter keeps declaring "Donna Noble has been saved, Donna Noble has left the building" at all kinds of random moments! lol I love it!
I can't wait until tomorrow! I confess that I have just seen part I on BBC4 again and will probably watch part II at least twice if it's any good, when they do the repeats on Sunday and next Friday.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/6/2008 11:06:31 PM
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So, the Americans saw their first episode with Jenny. I enjoyed her a lot actually; look forward to a few guest appearances.
This time we just broke down and used close captioning. So much easier that way.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/7/2008 9:35:02 AM
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Sad? Well, yes of course. But also a little bittersweet. For a creature whose life had been defined by war and killing, he died saving a life.
At the beginning we thought this would be an episode where the humans were the evil race and the hath were good, but no, they were both on equal footing.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/7/2008 5:57:38 PM
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Manda, did you see it tonight? I missed a chunk because I was chatting with my neighbour about our gardens. Going to watch it tomorrow (BBC3).
I did watch some of it and couldn't believe the number of hints they used about people.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/8/2008 6:48:28 PM
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It's definitely worth waiting for - one of the best ever IMO!
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/8/2008 9:34:53 PM
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The folks who wrote in reviews to Aint-it-Cool about the "Library" two parter raved over it. Didn't reveal a whole lot about it though.
That's good! This episode taught me to not like spoilers anymore.
I just watched the second part and the Confidential. The episodes were great! And yes, definitely worth waiting for!
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/8/2008 11:13:26 PM
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1. Looks like the writers have fallen for the common sci-fi tendency to do a "religion is a myth" episode. I found myself thinking during parts of last night's show, "Geesh, who wrote this? Richard Dawkins?" On the other hand, I wonder if they will ever do a "religion is positive" episode. A couple of other major sci-fi shows swung the other way and incorporated religion as a strong element in their character's lives. I'm not holding my breath for this show.
2. "Reformed-character-takes-bullet-for-hero" has got to be one of oldest cliches in TV/movies. I remember seeing this exact same scenario in a British cop drama before we left last year. I enjoyed most of the episode, but when it got near the end, I thought, "Here it comes. They're going to kill Jenny off." I was greatly disappointed that the writers didn't have enough imagination to do something else with her.
3. Donna keeps growing on me. It's nice to have somebody stand up to the Dr. who doesn't come across as a whiny teenager.
4. I enjoyed watching Jenny, but I wish they had left her dead. I felt like I was watching a promo for some new series on BBC Kids. So what's the deal with Jenny, anyway? Are they doing a spin-of with her a la the Sarah Jane Chronicles?
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 12:18:01 AM
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I think she might show up in one of the tv movies next year, babbred.
I loved this week's episode, Forest of the Dead. Makes me very comfortable with Steven Moffat taking over. Along with a possible episode from Neil Gaiman? That's going to be the greatest series.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 5:29:20 AM
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It's definitely worth waiting for - one of the best ever IMO!
Grrr... I missed it again cos I spent the day gardening and didn't realise the time... I shall (hopefully) be watching it Friday!).
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 8:24:58 AM
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1. Looks like the writers have fallen for the common sci-fi tendency to do a "religion is a myth" episode. I found myself thinking during parts of last night's show, "Geesh, who wrote this? Richard Dawkins?" On the other hand, I wonder if they will ever do a "religion is positive" episode. A couple of other major sci-fi shows swung the other way and incorporated religion as a strong element in their character's lives. I'm not holding my breath for this show.
I did like how The Doctor illustrated to the folks after Jenny died that one can have the RIGHT to take revenge but chose not to, and choosing not to was the better way. Especially considering that all these people knew was the fighting between the races.
And,here in the US we can balance out the show's tendancies towards religion with what comes on right afterwards - BSG, which never has an episode that doesn't deal with religion in one way or another.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 10:40:14 AM
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Did you find it sad when Martha's Hath friend died, sacrificing himself to save her? 
Yes...I found it quite sad. As individuals, we are just people (well, so to speak) but in groups we become armies at war with one another.
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4. I enjoyed watching Jenny, but I wish they had left her dead. I felt like I was watching a promo for some new series on BBC Kids. So what's the deal with Jenny, anyway? Are they doing a spin-of with her a la the Sarah Jane Chronicles?
I kinda felt the same way...but I almost shed a tear at the response the doctor had of her dying.
Religion in sci-fi always makes me laugh because it generally boils down to some kind of universalism - ya know...all-ways-lead-to sorta thinking.
I think the only one I can remember that actually used the bible "well" was a series called Firefly.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 11:47:24 AM
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Religion in sci-fi always makes me laugh because it generally boils down to some kind of universalism - ya know...all-ways-lead-to sorta thinking.
Hmmm...not in BSG...at least, not...yet. There you've got the polytheists and the monotheists and there is conflict between the two belief systems. Only the Cylons used to be momotheists, but at this point in the series many humans are as well.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 6/9/2008 11:50:24 AM
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Yeh, well, I just can't get into the new BSG.
From the git-go, I didn't like it at all.
But that's interesting about the religion part anyway.
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