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ORIGINAL: GodsMusic

I see this week that "church without walls" (Paula and Randy Whites old church) is about to go bankrupt.
Randy WOF White is still behind the pulpit there. I wonder why he doesn't speak their debts paid?
In fact while I'm at it, I wonder why he doesn't speak my debts paid?

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan
If the WOF cult leaders really believed their tripe, they wouldn't need to ask other people to "sow" into their ministry. They could fund it themselves by using their own faith filled words

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ORIGINAL: GodsMusic
Could it be related to the old adage "it takes a sucker to be suckered?"

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Any natural condition can be chnaged by the Word of God, which is a supernatural power.

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ORIGINAL: AbbyGrace

Faith is the audacity that rejoices in the fact that God cannot break His own Word. It is quiet confidence that God means what He says and we act on His Word.

Faith is the glorious knowledge of a personal presence within you, changing you from strength to strength, from glory to glory, until you get to the place where you walk with God, and where God thinks and speaks through you by the power of the Holy Ghost. With they eye of faith, we may see it in all its beauty and grandeur. God's Word is from everlasting to everlasting, and faith is the substance, the evidence of things not seen. Faith is the Word.
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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Any natural condition can be chnaged by the Word of God, which is a supernatural power.

Yes, it can. Emphasis on can. It might, but then, it might not. If it is God's will that I remain sick, then I'll remain sick. If it's God's will that I remain poor, I'll remain poor. If it's God's will I never get sick again, I'll never get sick again. If it's God's will I remain rich, I'll remain rich. And whatever the circumstances, I will rejoice and give Him the praise, because He alone deserves it.

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Is the Charismatic Movement facing foreclosure - I sure hope so

Preparing for a Charismatic Meltdown

Three prominent charismatic ministries have suffered huge setbacks this month. What does this mean for our movement?

Foreclosure. Eviction. Bailouts. We’re hearing those terms a lot these days, and not just in the newspaper’s business section. In the last two weeks three charismatic churches that once enjoyed huge popularity have fallen on hard times.

In Tampa, Florida, Without Walls International Church is facing foreclosure. The megachurch, which once attracted 23,000 worshipers and was heralded as one of the nation’s fastest-growing congregations, shrunk drastically after co-pastors Randy and Paula White announced in 2007 that they were divorcing. On Nov. 4 their bank filed foreclosure proceedings and demanded immediate repayment of a $12 million loan on the property.

In Duluth, Georgia—northeast of Atlanta—sheriff’s deputies arrived at Global Destiny Ministries and ordered Bishop Thomas Weeks II to leave the property. According to documents filed in state court, Weeks—who divorced popular preacher Juanita Bynum in June—owed more than $511,000 in back rent to the building’s owners. He was escorted out of the building on Nov. 14 while a church service was in progress.

“The wrecking ball of heaven is swinging. It has come to demolish any work that has not been built on the integrity of His Word.”

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Was it supposed to end like this? How did a movement that was at one time focused on winning people to Christ and introducing them to the power of the Holy Spirit end in such disgrace?

I hear the sound of bricks and steel beams crashing to the ground. The wrecking ball of heaven is swinging. It has come to demolish any work that has not been built on the integrity of God’s Word.

All of us should be trembling. God requires holiness in His house and truth in the mouths of His servants. He is loving and patient with our mistakes and weaknesses, but eventually, if there is no repentance after continual correction, His discipline is severe. He will not be mocked.

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

Wonder how the WOFers interrept the following:

Rev 3:17 - 18 (ESV) 17For you say,
I am rich,
I have prospered,
and I need nothing,
not realizing
that you are
wretched,
pitiable,
poor,
blind,
and naked.
18I counsel you to buy
from me
gold
refined by fire,
so that you may be rich,
and white garments
so that you may clothe yourself
and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen,
and salve to anoint your eyes,
so that you may see.

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ORIGINAL: DrIjames

Oh, Lord. have mercy. Please just love God. There are scriptures in the Word that address this issue. One of these verses G-d gave to myheart when I was having trouble with the way certain ministries have been going. 1 Tim. 6:5, " Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds,and destitute of the truth, SUPPOSING THAT GAIN IS GODLINESS: from such withdraw thyself".....
As believers, we have a responsibility to the church or body of believers that we attend. You should always pay tithes were you are fed. We can not get away from Malachi 3:8-12 This is a spiritual law that can not fail. I know that having a televised program is very costly, yet if it is of God it will stand. I have no problem witht believers supporting these ministries as long as their not neglecting the place were they are spiritually feed

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ORIGINAL: DrIjames

well, i do not call them false Prophets if i do not know who you are referring to. I just know that if some one has a different idea about baptism, then they do but they love G-d and thats great. I minister in Baptist churches and I see and feel the Spirit of G-d. I minister in penecostal churches and see and feel the precious Spirit of the living G-d. I have ministered in churches that G-d said "do not return. I preached at a church in a small S.E. mo. town and was ministering on the anointing. I said., "if you want the anointing, then turn off the country music and put on some anointed praise and worship music to listen to when you get up and as you are driving to church. We feed our spirit the same way we feed our bodies. Well when chuch let out and I went to the parking lot with my kids. I was attacked and physically threatend for "attacking our great country music" (which I wasn't) G-d said, do not return, and I haven't even tough I have been asked. The enemy wants more than anything for the body of Christ to be fighting and slandering one another, becasue he knows that it will stop G-d and keep people from receiving from Him. There are allot of churches and organizations that I do not agree with, but I do not spend my time going against them but instead, I spend time getting to know our loving savior and equiping the flock that G-d has given me. There is only one thing in the bible that will let poeple know that they are talking to a true christian, that is our love. that is what makes us stand out in this world. NO ONE CARES HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, UNTILL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE

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I minister in Baptist churches and I see and feel the Spirit of G-d. I minister in penecostal churches and see and feel the precious Spirit of the living G-d.

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I spend time getting to know our loving savior and equiping the flock that G-d has given me.

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We always hate what we do not understand.

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ORIGINAL: DrIjames

G-d still heals in the services held by henn.

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ORIGINAL: figmentPez

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ORIGINAL: DrIjames

G-d still heals in the services held by henn.

How do you know it is God healing? This is an honest question, because I do not know how to tell myself. Hinn does not preach the gospel I know, so I question if anything involved with him is of God. Jesus tells us that "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect" So we know that merely performing miracles is no proof that God is the one doing them.


As to this thread in general, how do WOF respond to this passage:

Proverbs 30:8-9
Keep falsehood and lies far from me; give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, 'Who is the LORD ?' Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God.

Do WOF teachers ever preach about the dangers of being too rich? They talk a lot about abundance, but I've never heard of them warning about the wealth of this world drawing us away from God. Would anyone care to provide a sermon transcript or a video clip showing a WOF teacher talking about the dangers of loving money?


Also, while I was on vacation I realized there are a lot of "negative confessions" in the NT. I'm planning on trying to find good examples of when NT writers (or even Jesus Himself) have said that something is happening, or that it will happen. I figured the OT would be way to easy to do that with, especially the Psalms and Lamentations, but I doubt I'll have any lack of quotes to find in the NT.

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ORIGINAL: DrIjames

...I have been to Beeny Henn and know people personally that have been so healed at his service.