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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/16/2008 11:37:03 PM
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Greetings! Jesus also said: "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. Those that had witnessed His Testimony during His Ministry on earth and ate and drank with Him were told what would happen. For it is written: many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. Those who have the signs following their ministry are accountable the more for the witnessing of the wonders as the children of Israel were tried in the desert and some did not endure the trials unto eternal life. For The Lord is Sovereign in His Kingdom and can add a name to the book of life or blot a name out of the book of life as He so decides. For Jesus said: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' For the prophet prohesied clothes for Joshua who led the people into the promised land. But our precious Lord Jesus: See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day. For it is written in revelation that the lamb of God has seven eyes.That the Scriptures are useful for preparing us unto every good work. We know that the law is Good if one uses it properly.
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What I found to be so amazing over the years, is that miracles follow people who totalling love JESUS CHRIST, and many of those that Love him first and foremost, enjoy the miracles but are not driven by miracles.
Thank you, mystic, that is so completely correct. Signs and miracles simply follow those who are desperately in love with Jesus. The people I know who have operated in those gifts have never been driven by miracles, they're just passionate and focused on Jesus.
It's all about Jesus and God will choose to reveal things to whomever delights in pursuing His wisdom and revelation in things.
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I was minding my own business, singing praises to God and worshipping him for his splendor, his beauty, and thats when it happened.
Yep, that's usually when things happen when we're worshipping Jesus.
Matthew 7:
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
I wish your statements were fully true, but alas, miracles follow those who are not serving Jesus first as well.
I think what you are missing in that verse is Jesus saying, "I never KNEW you." He's not talking about people who are intimate with Jesus and who are desperately in love with Him and are pursuing Him with all their hearts, because those people truly know Jesus and are in love with Jesus.
It's easy to keep throwing that verse around. But that verse isn't speaking about everyone in the church, only about those that aren't intimate with the person of Jesus. There are many who are intimate with the bible, but I wonder if they are truly intimate with Jesus Himself and does Jesus speak to them? Do they recognize His voice when He speaks? Do they recognize the HS leading them throughout their daily lives? Those things will better prove whether someone KNOWS Jesus.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/17/2008 8:35:18 PM
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Why is it I can only find 5 direct dreams from God given to people [and 4 of those 5 were to Joseph] in the NT, yet the Elijah list guys and gals manage to have these dreams right and left.
Do you truly believe that everything God ever communicated to everyone in the bible was written down? I mean, you can believe that if you want to, I'm not arguing you the liberty to do so. But if the world could not contain everything that Jesus has done (and supernaturally and prophetically speaking to people would be one of those things), then why does it surprise you that people in the bible could have been communicating with God constantly and none of it written down?
There are lots of prophets in the OT and NT that didn't have their words written down even.
I find that a peculiar way to believe and I couldn't embrace it. But to each his own. When someone has the gift of prophecy or a revelatory gift that is part of that, then God tends to speak quite often to them on a consistent basis. That's been my experience.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 4/17/2008 8:39:43 PM
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There has been a giving up of seeking God through the word of God and prayer and a turning away to seek personalities and pizazz, prophecies and products, and poster-pumped conferences.
Unless you've spoken personally to 'all' these people you keep lumping together, then I would say you couldn't possibly know what's going on in their heart and their motives.
You don't like what they believe. That's ok. But it's not ok to project negative motives into their hearts.
I've met hundreds of such people through the years at conferences and none of them that I can remember came even close to having those motives. They were drawn to Jesus, plain and simple.
strange how you guys keep doing that.  It quite perplexes me.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 3:09:01 AM
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I just recently jumped on to viewing this thread, something to think about....
Agabus was declared a prophet in the bible yet his prophecy wasn't 100% accurate...
the Jews didn't bind Paul and deliver him....the romans took him and then bound him...
something to think about...
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 9:15:47 AM
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I just recently jumped on to viewing this thread, something to think about....
Agabus was declared a prophet in the bible yet his prophecy wasn't 100% accurate...
the Jews didn't bind Paul and deliver him....the romans took him and then bound him...
something to think about...
Welcome to the boards, tdog.
A few things.. The Bible sets crystal clear guidelines for a true prophet of the Most High God. These guidelines have not changed, they remain intact despite the current popular opinion of the day.
A popular teaching among "Christian leaders" is that a person giving a false prophecy is not a false prophet.
Although the Bible is clear that a prophets words shall never fail, these false teachers claim that this is not
true.
Basically they are saying that the Bible is wrong on it's clear guidelines for a true prophet of God and when they give a false prophecy they are still right. They claim that the Bible in no way speaks on this
matter, how wrong they are. Agabus was not a false prophet.
I see you refer to Agabus and Acts 21:11-12 and are trying to use that text to prove a Prophet can makke false prophecies.
The record of the Apostle Paul's arrest does not contain every single particular - whether a rope or chain was used, what was said to the Roman commander, etc.
Using this text to try to prove that Agabus made some errors in prediction and that therefore fallible prophets existed in the New Testament church is to seriously strain the text and its context.
The fact of the matter is that some people will want false prophets and false teachers:
Isaiah 30:9-12
"That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not
hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the
prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things,
prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause
the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. Wherefore thus saith the
Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression
and perverseness, and stay thereon."
Micah 2:11
"If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will
prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet
of this people."
Jeremiah 5:30-31
"A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets
prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people
love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?"
2 Timothy 4:3-4
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto
fables."
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 12:16:20 PM
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Amen. Why do some propose to sell out God to the mammon monster in the manner that one was rebuked for doing so by Paul? Such teaching is witchcraft and worldly. The Gift is free and for all peoples of eternal life.
Also, 'you who claim that is wrong, do you do so?' Do not do what they do, listen to what they say at times with sound division and handling to gain skill in faith in The Word of Truth.
Such teaching is balaam who taught Israel to pursue sex and money because of his 'gift' and who brags about the gifting rather than Glory to God.
A free will offering may given to priests as God has moved on the people to do in each situation.
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Goll sums it up by telling his readers to: "Get into Kingdom alignment for such a time as this." I've reproduced the bold and italics that are in the original article. Interestingly, not too far from where I live, there is a ministry called Kingdom Alignment.
In the bookstore on the website you'll find several books by (surprise, surprise)...James W. Goll.
Kingdom Alignment? Sounds like an auto shop. "where you get your kingdom aligned and your doctrine rotated for free". Goll-eee, sarge.
Or where so and so can impart their anointing to you for $$$$$..
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 12:25:31 PM
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I just recently jumped on to viewing this thread, something to think about....
Agabus was declared a prophet in the bible yet his prophecy wasn't 100% accurate...
the Jews didn't bind Paul and deliver him....the romans took him and then bound him...
something to think about...
He ended up that way because of their rejection. They were essentially responsible. Besides when he was dragged from the temple, a rope could have been used...would make sense, but doesn't matter.
Then all the city was stirred up, and the people ran together. They seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates were shut.
(Acts 21:30)(ESV)
Even something that "comes true" does not prove the speaker was speaking for God. Consider everything else known about the speaker.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 12:28:23 PM
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Even something that "comes true" does not prove the speaker was speaking for God. Consider everything else known about the speaker.
Exactly and God is no fool - Scripture's test for a true Prophet of God is two-fold: 100% absolute accurate prophecy and said individual teaches sound doctrine.
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RE: James Goll and John Paul Jackson - 11/28/2008 12:33:15 PM
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Also, was the famine Prophesied through Agabus found to have happened in the time of Claudius. I see, though, that this Prophecy may have endtime event foreboding, Claudius is Emporer of Rome from Gemanica (Germany). I notice similar events had occured in the time of hitler. Also, there will come a time when Babylon will be ruled upon whereby the 10 worldwide leaders will tear her apart for God has put it into their hearts to accomplish His will in fulfillment of Prophecy.
Presently, there is a german Pontiff at Rome.
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I just recently jumped on to viewing this thread, something to think about....
Agabus was declared a prophet in the bible yet his prophecy wasn't 100% accurate...
the Jews didn't bind Paul and deliver him....the romans took him and then bound him...
something to think about...
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