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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 11:28:52 AM   
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Yep, then that is the one on my reading list! Thanks!


Lexie, what is the title? I'd like to look it up.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 1:22:47 PM   
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 5:34:26 PM   
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New-ish topic (I'm hoping politics is an ok topic here) Personally, I'm thrilled with John McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate, at least as much as I know about her. She appears to be pro-life, family oriented, anti-corruption, patriotic (her oldest son is in the military), and has a baby with Down Syndrome. At any rate, she seems to be a good, solid choice for the Republican party.
However, some of the blogs that I read (but don't necessarily agree with), are acting like the party has committed the sin of all sins by nominating a woman to be VP who could potentially become president (given McCain's age and questionable health). Article here for example.
So here are the questions:
Do you see a biblical problem with a woman potentially becoming president?
If so, what are the other alternatives, at least as far as this election goes? Could having a woman in office be the lesser of two evils?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 5:51:22 PM   
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I see no problem with a woman in secular leadership. The Bible only addresses women in spiritual leadership.

For the first time since Huckabee was weeded out, I'm excited!

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 5:59:36 PM   
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I see no problem with a woman in secular leadership. The Bible only addresses women in spiritual leadership.



That was my thinking too.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 6:31:56 PM   
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I'm not American but I'm delighted with McCain's choice. I think she would make an excellent president if McCain died, her lack of experience in world politics notwithstanding. She sounds like a pretty gutsy lady who would gather to her the right kind of advisors for the subjects about which she has little or no knowledge and who wouldn't be afraid to make tough decisions in a crunch.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 6:50:21 PM   
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Do you see a biblical problem with a woman potentially becoming president?
If so, what are the other alternatives, at least as far as this election goes? Could having a woman in office be the lesser of two evils?

No I do not...I think God can use a woman just as He can a man...He doesn't see the gender, He sees the willing and open heart....and from what little I have seen of Gov Palin, she has that willing and open heart. I was not too thrilled with the prospect of Sen (Hillary) Clinton being in the running, but it wasn't because of her being a woman.


Plus I agree about the spiritual vs non-spiritual leadership that was mentioned.


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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 7:41:23 PM   
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Totally. As far as I know (and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong) women's submissiveness is only discussed in the context of marriage and her being quiet in the context of church. Nothing about not being leader of the free world in there

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 7:59:15 PM   
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So do most Christian americans vote Republic?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 8:19:39 PM   
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Nicole (AUS), it really depends on what the person's beliefs focus on. Ie: I know some Christians who focus a lot on the "social issues" of things & Democrats tend to do more for social problems. Republicans tend to sweep them under the rug while being very supportive of being pro-life, etc.

I guess the only "issue" I have with Palin from what I've read so far is she has a little baby boy with special needs (Downs syndrome). Shouldn't she be focusing on "the home front" before venturing out into "the political world"? Thoughts?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 8:34:18 PM   
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My understanding is that her husband is a SAHD. She also apparently brings the baby to work, or at least has found some way of nursing him (pumping, or whatever).

Does the issue of a woman not being the head over man (or men) apply in this case? Could a woman be submissive to her husband and still be president?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 9:24:19 PM   
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I guess the only "issue" I have with Palin from what I've read so far is she has a little baby boy with special needs (Downs syndrome). Shouldn't she be focusing on "the home front" before venturing out into "the political world"? Thoughts?

I agree--poor little fellow.

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My understanding is that her husband is a SAHD. She also apparently brings the baby to work, or at least has found some way of nursing him (pumping, or whatever).

I don't think he's a SAHD, but he does do a lot of the mother roles. That's cool that she brings the baby to work. There are all sorts of ways to work things out if you're determined and she strikes me as determined. I guess, though, at the end of the day, if there is a crisis in the White House, baby would be handed off to a nanny-in-waiting. But then, missionaries used to send their children back to the homeland when the kids were quite young (five or so) so the kids could get the education they needed while the parents did their missionary work.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 9:26:29 PM   
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I just thought of something in regards to this question about the biblicalness of a woman being vice-president. Look at Deborah in the Bible. She was one of the judges of Israel before King David. The judges were the ones who led the nation. If Deborah could, why not Palin?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 9:35:43 PM   
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So do most Christian americans vote Republic?


A lot of conservative Evangelicals do, but certainly not all Christians, or even most I would say. To much more, I would not want to say, as this board is heavily Republican.

You can PM me about it, if you like.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 9:37:48 PM   
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I just thought of something in regards to this question about the biblicalness of a woman being vice-president. Look at Deborah in the Bible. She was one of the judges of Israel before King David. The judges were the ones who led the nation. If Deborah could, why not Palin?


I have no problem with a woman President, although I reserve judgment on this particular woman until I've learned a bit more about her.

But didn't Deborah lament the fact that she had to lead, because no men would stand up?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 10:46:35 PM   
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So do most Christian americans vote Republic?

A lot of my friends actually are registered Independent...not Republican or Democrat. They do not vote party lines. Most older people that I know are registered Democrat. Even though I have worked with many Republican campaigns over the years, I know very few that are actually registered Republican..weird huh.


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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 11:11:29 PM   
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She lamented that her general was a coward.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/30/2008 11:42:44 PM   
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I'm not any of the above labels. I will not be voting in November (nor will I argue about my position on the matter, so flame away, but don't expect a response).

No, I don't think most Christians in the US vote Republican... though many of them would want you to believe that.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 12:01:40 AM   
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But then, missionaries used to send their children back to the homeland when the kids were quite young (five or so) so the kids could get the education they needed while the parents did their missionary work.

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That's why many missionary families now home school, and also why many denominations are beginning to prefer missionaries who are retired from other jobs and whose children are grown(plus, they're covered health insurance wise). You can find many a missionary child that went to boarding school that has many issues (betrayal/abandonment).
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 12:10:55 AM   
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What do you mean by registered Sarah?
Crystal- you wouldn't like living here, its against the law not to vote in Federal elections! If they find out you get a fine.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 1:05:28 AM   
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Crystal- you wouldn't like living here, its against the law not to vote in Federal elections!



Nicole, over here, if we do vote, we get little stickers that say, "I voted."
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 1:05:40 AM   
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Oh my, Nicole! That's strict! How do they keep non-interested voters from not just voting randomly out of spite? How does "forced" voting work?

I think by registered, she means that they have become official members of a particular party. Those parties keep rosters of their members. Those members are the ones who can nominate the candidates that the party will have run for a given election. Not everyone becomes an official member of a political party but I suppose some would think it was advantageous, especially if they have no doubts about which party should be in power.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 1:25:35 AM   
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So do most Christian americans vote Republic?


A lot of conservative Evangelicals do, but certainly not all Christians, or even most I would say. To much more, I would not want to say, as this board is heavily Republican.

You can PM me about it, if you like.


I would not say they all vote republican, we are only registered as republican because "conservative" isn't an option. My beliefs do not necessarily align with that of the republican party so I wouldn't lump everyone together. The problem with registering "independent' is that is usually takes away your right to vote in a primary election, or caucus. But that even depends on the state.

Really, when people start lumping "republicans" and "democrats" that's usually a big sign that they don't know a ton about politics.

I like Palin and think she can do good things for our nation. It does not bother me at all that she is a woman.

Crystal, why aren't you voting?

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 1:48:33 AM   
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I'm really not sure I want to go into it here. But the short version is that I am extremely disenchanted with the 2-party system and I cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate that stands a chance. There is just no way that either McCain or Obama would ever get support from me... and I refuse to do the whole lesser of two evils thing.

But that's all I'm going to say on the matter here, because I don't really like to debate politics, esp on a public forum.

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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 8/31/2008 4:07:52 AM   
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Could a woman be submissive to her husband and still be president?


I don't see that as any different to being a director/CEO of a large company. It's professional, not personal.

The forced voting here really only affects those who can't afford it. The fine is only $50 and as long as you pay the fine there is not further penalty, although people have gone to jail over the issue.

How do I know this? Dh and I have forgotten about voting day more often than I care to admit to over the years, mostly when we've moved to a new electorate and not really been up to date with the local community goings on yet.

There will always be a degree of donkey voting, people just writing one to whatever down the line of candidates, but most of the voting only requires you to put a 1 in one box unless you're particularly interested in the voting process and want to fill out all the boxes.

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