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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 12:40:23 PM
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I've been reading a lot more about England, Scotland and Ireland and have been fascinated by the culture and history. I've really been trying to read more chronilogically so that it makes more of an impact for me.
Don't forget Wales! They might get a bit peeved! 
 Of course not - Wales is added to my list and I think there was another one that was mentioned in a book. Have to check on that one.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 12:41:40 PM
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Isle of Man?
Channel Islands? Scilly Isles?
Or was it Northern Ireland as well as Eire (Southern Ireland)?
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 12:43:55 PM
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Isle of Man?
Channel Islands? Scilly Isles?
Or was it Northern Ireland as well as Eire (Southern Ireland)?
Scilly Isles was it!
And, also the last one you mentioned as though Ireland were two separate countries so to speak. I'll have to read more.
I think I'll add the other ones you mentioned to my list as well. 
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 1:58:10 PM
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That's what I thought, but I couldn't picture them as take out food.
How come?
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 1:59:51 PM
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That's what I thought, but I couldn't picture them as take out food.
How come?
Maybe because I've never seen something that gets BBQ'd ordered as take out?
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 2:47:58 PM
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Maybe because I've never seen something that gets BBQ'd ordered as take out?
The traditional method of cooking shish and kofte kebabs is by grilling or roasting. The Kebab House here in my town uses a large griddle to cook them on. I think the barbecue is the American way of cooking them. Doner Kebabs are cooked on a kind of vertical rotisserie.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/1/2008 4:48:15 PM
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It sounds like the way gyro meat is cooked.
I thought Doner kebabs were bad because they were processed meat and had God knows what parts of the animal in there... kind of like a hotdog. Is that wrong?
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Isle of Man?
Channel Islands? Scilly Isles?
Are these all separate countries? I know they all have vastly different cultures and histories, but I've never thought they could have been separate countries since the Dark Ages.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 1:25:40 AM
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In Australia we pronounce Kebabs like it sounds but I know some countries call them "kebobs". How do you pronounce where you are from?
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 1:34:19 AM
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Aga- I referred to Jamie Oliver because I saw his school dinners specials where they spoke alot about the poor nutrition over there. We don't have school lunches like you guys do there and we have healthy food standards that are now law so the school has to prepare lunches that are nutritionally balanced. And I didn't say Aussies weren't in there, I said the US, UK and Aus are all full of overweight people  but from what we see here on tv the UK and the US seem to have high amounts of take outs or things like fish and chips, steak and chips, sausages and chips etc etc. Nothing wrong with it now and then, but its not very nutritious is it? So I am just going by what we are shown here, but I KNOW that not everyone there eats like that. From what I have seen it seems to be thoes on the lower economic scale that don't eat as well. Would that be right? I know that's how it is here. It is cheaper to buy less nutritious and quick meals which is why there is a rise in obesity over here.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 11:59:26 AM
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In Australia we pronounce Kebabs like it sounds but I know some countries call them "kebobs". How do you pronounce where you are from?
I say kebobs.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 12:02:05 PM
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From what I have seen it seems to be thoes on the lower economic scale that don't eat as well. Would that be right? I know that's how it is here. It is cheaper to buy less nutritious and quick meals which is why there is a rise in obesity over here.
Yep, I think that's true. Have you ever heard of Top Ramen? It costs about .30 cents, and it will fill you up for lunch. It's boullion and noodles. It is extremely bad for you, but it's so darned cheap. McD and a lot of other fast food places have dollar menus, so that's pretty cheap too. It's cheaper to buy the really fatty ground beef, chicken thighs instead of breasts, and pork or hot dogs instead of beef or chicken. Kool-Aid is cheaper than 100% juice. And, the most rediculous of all: unsweetened applesauce is more expensive than sweetened applesauce! Why? I have no idea because they aren't putting an extra ingredient in it. I asked the manager at the Safeway, and he said he thinks it's rediculous too.
I think it also has a lot to do with how we were raised to eat. I find myself piling the mash potatoes on my plate, but I only have a little bit of veggies on the plate. Dishes at restaurants are mostly meat, then starch then veggies. It's hard to pull away from that habit....I just don't feel full if I don't have some pasta or rice or potatoes or tortillas with my meal.
The middle class might even be worse when it comes to fast food. When I worked in an office setting with mostly middle class, so many of them would get drive-thru everyday. Poor people can't really afford to eat fast food everyday even though it's cheaper than restaurant food. It's still more expensive than making food at home. The middle class can also afford to eat out more at better restaurants. They are often are busier and don't have time to make food for themselves because they are working in a demanding job or whatever.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 12:16:48 PM
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From what I have seen it seems to be those on the lower economic scale that don't eat as well. Would that be right? I know that's how it is here. It is cheaper to buy less nutritious and quick meals which is why there is a rise in obesity over here.
Yep, I think that's true. Have you ever heard of Top Ramen? It costs about .30 cents, and it will fill you up for lunch. It's bouillon and noodles. It is extremely bad for you, but it's so darned cheap. McD and a lot of other fast food places have dollar menus, so that's pretty cheap too. It's cheaper to buy the really fatty ground beef, chicken thighs instead of breasts, and pork or hot dogs instead of beef or chicken. Kool-Aid is cheaper than 100% juice. And, the most ridiculous of all: unsweetened applesauce is more expensive than sweetened applesauce! Why? I have no idea because they aren't putting an extra ingredient in it. I asked the manager at the Safeway, and he said he thinks it's ridiculous too.
Part of the reason that unsweetened applesauce is more expensive is because people are willing to pay the price. In the late '70s or early '80s companies started making canned fruits with less sugar. They appealed to those who were trying to loose weight and diabetics. They charged more per can, yet it was less expensive for the company to make. However, people were willing to pay the price.
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I think it also has a lot to do with how we were raised to eat. I find myself piling the mash potatoes on my plate, but I only have a little bit of veggies on the plate. Dishes at restaurants are mostly meat, then starch then veggies. It's hard to pull away from that habit....I just don't feel full if I don't have some pasta or rice or potatoes or tortillas with my meal.
The middle class might even be worse when it comes to fast food. When I worked in an office setting with mostly middle class, so many of them would get drive-thru everyday. Poor people can't really afford to eat fast food everyday even though it's cheaper than restaurant food. It's still more expensive than making food at home. The middle class can also afford to eat out more at better restaurants. They are often are busier and don't have time to make food for themselves because they are working in a demanding job or whatever.
I agree!
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 3:11:45 PM
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I referred to Jamie Oliver because I saw his school dinners specials where they spoke alot about the poor nutrition over there. Nicole, you are basing your facts for a nation on a tv programme that was specific to a certain group of people (primary aged children) who had school lunches. Your post about obesity and the fact that the UK and Australia weren't far behind the US were not what I was referring to.
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I am just going by what we are shown here, but I KNOW that not everyone there eats like that. You say that you 'know' not everyone eats like that, but you're also saying that the UK eat unhealthily based on one programme.
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It is cheaper to buy less nutritious and quick meals which is why there is a rise in obesity over here. Personally, I don't think it is cheaper to buy convenience foods or take outs. Most of them are incredibly expensive and taste  .
I think that this is a really great thread and I think that those who simply read or are active in it have learnt a lot about the cultures of other people, often in a fun and entertaining way. The best way to learn (IMO) is to ask questions and there have certainly been many questions asked here!
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It's boullion and noodles. It is extremely bad for you, but it's so darned cheap. We have similar and it is cheap and bad for you. But it can be made healthier simply by adding some veggies to it and perhaps some meat. It's not something that I'd suggest people eating every day, but if they hit the spot, once in a while probably isn't going to kill ya!
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Kool-Aid is cheaper than 100% juice. And, the most rediculous of all: unsweetened applesauce is more expensive than sweetened applesauce! Why? I have no idea because they aren't putting an extra ingredient in it. I asked the manager at the Safeway, and he said he thinks it's rediculous too. Has to do with an number of factors. Shelf life and how food is processed are the reasons why. It's cheaper to produce concentrate juice because it can be juiced and concentrated where the fruit is grown (so saves on shipping crates of fruit) and then diluted (with added vitamins and minerals to replace those lost in the processing) and packages. Fresh juice doesn't have anything to preserve it so it goes bad faster ~ and has to be kept chilled so is more costly to the retailers.
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I think it also has a lot to do with how we were raised to eat. I find myself piling the mash potatoes on my plate, but I only have a little bit of veggies on the plate. Dishes at restaurants are mostly meat, then starch then veggies. It's hard to pull away from that habit....I just don't feel full if I don't have some pasta or rice or potatoes or tortillas with my meal. Yes it does, but habits can be changed or broken.
It's not difficult to make a change from white bread, rice and pasta to wholewheat. It's not difficult when you go out to request a portion of extra veg. It's not difficult to reduce the amount of meat you eat. All these things can be done gradually, it doesn't have to be an overnight change. It can be really fun trying out new kinds of foods and new ways of cooking things.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 6:11:56 PM
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From what I have seen it seems to be thoes on the lower economic scale that don't eat as well. Would that be right? I know that's how it is here. It is cheaper to buy less nutritious and quick meals which is why there is a rise in obesity over here.
Of course, I agree with everything Aga just said!! But I did want to respond to the above quote: Over the years, the nutrition of food has gone down across the board in the US. It has to do with foods being processed and cheap fillers and flavorings being used. It has to do with the false idea that soil only needs three nutrients found in fertalizers and protection from pesticides. It has to do with people wanting convenience foods and foods with a long shelf-life. And those things transcend economic situations.
It is true that healthier foods are more expensive and that theoretically wealth ought to play a factor, but I don't see that much where I live. I see the wealthy buying the same bags of chips (crisps ) the poor are buying. I see them buying the same brands of pasta. I see them ordering the same dinner of chicken fingers and fries. I see Sunny-D (a sugary citrus flavored drink) in million dollar homes and in rentals on the poor side of town. I can go on and on. Sure, they may be able to afford out of season blueberries, yogurt advertized to help digestion, or applesauce with the latest popular additive (like calcium) where someone with less income can't afford them... but not all things that are healthy are expensive- like whole grains, dried beans, and in-season produce. And some of the things that are expensive go a long way- like a bag of nuts or seeds.
One thing is that most Americans have bought into the idea that processed foods are OK. Bread is enriched, so it's healthy. Pasta is enriched, so it's healthy. A hybrid, conventional apple is red and robust, so it's healthy. Pasta sauce is full of tomatoes, so it's healthy... but reducing food to synthetic nutrients, produce grown to be big and sweet instead of natural, and gross additives (including High Fructose Corn Syrup) is not healthy. We're coming out of that some, but there are still some who associate health foods with the 1960's sexual revolution and the results of that associate a generation or two later. Some don't know that's where the stigma comes from, but the stigma still remains. We're also stuck into a commercial driven mindset where the products we buy claim greater health and nutrition, but they don't deliver. Organic and Natural are big markets and many companies don't care about sticking to true organic & natural practices... they just want to be on the band wagon pulled by the cash cow.
Americans have also given their time to all sorts of things (good things, mind you) but are neglecting their health because they don't have time to educate themselves beyond what they see on commercials, don't question what they have been taught by parents, and don't take the time to prepare their foods. I mean, ask how many Americans believe milk is the best source of calcium and you will begin to understand how uneducated we are about food.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 7:46:11 PM
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Americans have also given their time to all sorts of things (good things, mind you) but are neglecting their health because they don't have time to educate themselves beyond what they see on commercials, don't question what they have been taught by parents, and don't take the time to prepare their foods. I mean, ask how many Americans believe milk is the best source of calcium and you will begin to understand how uneducated we are about food.
True. Many of my peers don't cook. For me, it's relaxing. I enjoy making meals that are nutritious, tasty and appealing to the eye.
I would like to ask another question on manners, if no one has any objections...
How do you normally address another adult when you first meet them? How does your youth address adults?
I know here it varies from region to region. What may seem friendly in one region is rude or assuming in another. What may seem well-mannered in one region may seem "stuffy" in another.
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/2/2008 9:02:09 PM
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I ask adults who are older what they would like my kids to call them, most are fine with first names but there are a few who like it to be Mrs ....
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RE: Question from a Brit to any Y... umm American - 7/3/2008 3:40:00 AM
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I would like to ask another question on manners, if no one has any objections...
I do, I do!
You are so funny!
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How do you normally address another adult when you first meet them?
Round here, in my local area "hi!", "lovely day!) (if it is!) and (more commonly) "you alright?"
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How does your youth address adults?
My two tend to address adults the same as I do (in fact I might have got it from them, lol). They call their teachers "Sir" and "Miss", but that's just at school.
I get complimented on a regular basis on how pleasant and polite my two are, how ready, able and willing they are to converse with adults. They're both very approachable and are very open in their outlook, not always just standing around in huddles of young people. They do that too, but not exclusively. But they don't call anyone "sir" or "ma-am", that would just sound silly and old-fashioned.
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