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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 9:09:56 AM
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davemiller7
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Because Satan can and does these kinds of events also, we have to discern that which is from God from that which is not. This is what works for me: Invoke the Scripture "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world." Then bless the vision, voice, or whatever, in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell the vision that if it is not of God, it must leave, in the name of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If it is of God, it will stay and you may experience its blessings.
Blessings to you all,
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His word is infallable, your visions arent.
You know what, most of you folks agree with this posters thoughts and it is untrue!
I will *never* I mean *never* and yes I am getting personal what God had given me in a vision.
I worked 2 jobs, not to mention my wifely and home duties to the loser I was married to. One night I could barely speak and the most that escaped from my lips was Lord is it always going to be like this?
He gave me a vision. It started with a bright light and I could see a shadow coming closer. I had no Idea what t was but it was coming closer and I was not afraid.
Then I could physically feel my body being lifted and then laid again on my bed. Once I received the *HUG* I looked as stairs appeared and there He was, Jesus walking back up into the light and I said, "Jesus!" He turned and put his fingers to his lips as to say Shhhh! and disappeared into that light!
You are trying to tell me that was not from God? He doesn't give visions? Oh ye of little faith! God who will lock up the 99 to find the one lost will go to extremes for the one.
I am so tired that if it didn't happen to you it aint real! Sometimes it makes me feel sad that you have God locked up in only 66 books and can't see outside of it!
No wonder people who come here are sad and feel hopeless.
I seldom see folks rejoicing for others or happy for their blessings.
Why can't anyone be happy for Sindy and say, Hey that's great, hope you find him or he comes to you soon.
No instead you instead try to crush her vision and spirit! In which for a fact don't know if it came from God or not.
Come on folks you are letting rules blind you
God is Bigger than the pharasitical rules
You go girl
CRH
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 10:16:05 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement CRH.
I tried my best to remove that post. It seems to have upset some people.
I didn't mean to do that. However, them getting upset won't make me change my mind. The bible is the true and infalliable word of God. And, every word of it is true. So, whether some believe it or not, I do, and God does. He's the one I'm trying to please. 
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 12:29:45 PM
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Because Satan can and does these kinds of events also, we have to discern that which is from God from that which is not. This is what works for me: Invoke the Scripture "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world." Then bless the vision, voice, or whatever, in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell the vision that if it is not of God, it must leave, in the name of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If it is of God, it will stay and you may experience its blessings.
Blessings to you all,
-Dave
I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 2:44:47 PM
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Has anyone simply considered dreams are nothing more than that... dreams?
Or a spicy dinner had before going to bed?
Just trying to add some balance..
Of course, but God does sometimes speak to us in dreams, though I would say it's fairly rare.
I will say, however, that when I was a junior in high school, I had this random dream about my future daughter, who was about 4 years old...and believe me, I wasn't thinking about kids. I didn't even like or want kids. But when I woke up I just knew that it was her.
My junior year in college, I found out I was pregnant. Now that my daughter just turned 4, I know for sure she's the same girl in my dream.
But what really twists it up is that I'm half-black & half-white (picture in profile), and my DD is basically white with blond hair & blue eyes, so it's not like the girl in my dream looked logically like I would've pictured my daughter.
Just sayin'...
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 5:32:30 PM
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Satan is known as the great deceiver, the great imitator, etc. Satan can control some thoughts in your mind, hence your reference to it's being self-conceived. Because he would frighten people away if we could see the true diabolical angel that he is, he imitates goodnes and beauty, etc. But we must not be deceived. His images are empty and un-Godly.
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Mark 13:14-23
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again. 20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
-Dave
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Because Satan can and does these kinds of events also, we have to discern that which is from God from that which is not. This is what works for me: Invoke the Scripture "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world." Then bless the vision, voice, or whatever, in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell the vision that if it is not of God, it must leave, in the name of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If it is of God, it will stay and you may experience its blessings.
Blessings to you all,
-Dave
I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 9:18:25 PM
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I am so tired that if it didn't happen to you it aint real! Sometimes it makes me feel sad that you have God locked up in only 66 books and can't see outside of it!
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No, we did not lock God up in only 66 books, He did. God's word is the only trustworhty source. If not, then why do we have it? God does not, and will not act outside of what His word proclaims. The Catholic church believes like you, in signs and wonders. Signs and wonders were for Israel, not the Body of Christ.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 9:38:18 PM
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I am so tired that if it didn't happen to you it aint real! Sometimes it makes me feel sad that you have God locked up in only 66 books and can't see outside of it!
No, we did not lock God up in only 66 books, He did. God's word is the only trustworhty source. If not, then why do we have it? God does not, and will not act outside of what His word proclaims. The Catholic church believes like you, in signs and wonders. Signs and wonders were for Israel, not the Body of Christ.
Having a dream or vision in a dream is far from signs and wonders.
in the Gospel of John it states that if everything Jesus did was recorded the Whole world could not hold the books.
His Word also states that he does gives us visions and dreams.
CRH
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 10:37:07 PM
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For years I believed that he was my husband.
And then you saw 4 different men? Please, remember that God is NOT the author of confusion and what you are describing is quite confusing.
I think you need to drop this vision thing and concentrate on reality. I say that with concern and in Christ's love. Many people have put themselves in a world of trouble by following a vision or dream they had.
We are to follow the Lord Jesus Christ. Not a vision or a dream. The Word of God always, ALWAYS, supercedes any other event. Please consider praying with a Godly counsellor and you should also pray that you would be led out of all deception. God bless and keep you.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 10:38:23 PM
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I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
Keep reading.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/13/2008 10:46:29 PM
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I've been reading these forums since May of this year. I've read so many threads, so many posts where people DOUBT anything unless it comes from the one form they only choose to follow, The Bible.
Hmmmm.....the inspired Word of God....which would also include Jesus as He is the Word who became flesh .. see the Gospel of John.
Better to doubt then be caught up in deception. Which book should we aspire to 'choose to follow', then? Or perhaps we should all just turn on God TV and let 'er rip?
Before you toss out the Bible as 'the only form some of us care to follow', please remember it is the ONLY form that God Himself inspired. He did not and has not inspired most of what passes for 'inspiration' these days.
Don't accuse me of not 'believing'.....I believe. I just choose not to believe lies. Thanks!
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 1:58:16 AM
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And then you saw 4 different men? Please, remember that God is NOT the author of confusion and what you are describing is quite confusing.
Possible riddle. Don't pass it off as nothing simply because you don't understand it.
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I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
Keep reading.
I intend to. However, would you be so kind as to give me passages that have led you to believe this? I'd appreciate it.
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Hmmmm.....the inspired Word of God....which would also include Jesus as He is the Word who became flesh .. see the Gospel of John.
Better to doubt then be caught up in deception. Which book should we aspire to 'choose to follow', then? Or perhaps we should all just turn on God TV and let 'er rip?
What I say is to follow the book but don't shut everything else out. You seem to block out any other possible avenues for the Lord to communicate to you. There's nothing wrong with this approach but you've confined yourself to only one means of communication.
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Before you toss out the Bible as 'the only form some of us care to follow', please remember it is the ONLY form that God Himself inspired. He did not and has not inspired most of what passes for 'inspiration' these days.
Don't accuse me of not 'believing'.....I believe. I just choose not to believe lies. Thanks!
There have and always will be false prophets and teachers. Many recorded false prophets and teachers exist in the bible. It is our ability to discern them and what they say with the help of the Bible as our foundation that will keep us afloat from the false prophets.
Since we're discussing the realities of visions and where they come from let me speak of one of mine. After you read it you tell me if it was influenced from Satan or was just 'bad chinese'.
In the summer of '99 I was living in the downstairs portion of my parents house. My room was very large, almost like an open studio. I had many pieces of furniture, specifically futons which I randomly slept on depending on the night. One night I was sleeping very deeply because I was so exhausted. I heard a loud thud form upstairs as if someone was jumping or had fallen. Still in my sleep I remember seeing nothing but darkness. Then, I saw this picture come into view. I was looking at this picture as if I was standing up and behind myself off to the left from where I lay. As I looked at the picture frame I could slightly make out the picture within it. The picture began to spin slowly bottom over top. As it spun the metal frame slightly glowed as if something was illuminating it. As it came to the front of the picture again a very magnificent light shined off the glass and completly blinded me. At that moment I rolled off my back and onto my right side to lay. I heard myself sigh and I remember just slightly opening my eyes and seeing my fireplace. At that second another loud thud came from upstairs. Milliseconds later something hit the bed behind me. I thought nothing of it and went back to sleeping. The following morning I awoke my side still. I got up to walk over to my computer and I remembered my dream/vision. I looked down on the bed and one of my pictures had fallen from about eight(8) feet up and landed where my head had been, glass side facing down. There were no lights on that night and my door was closed.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 8:13:16 AM
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Here are several more quotes from Scripture, showing that Satan is a liar, a deceiver, and able to produce "miracles" and visions. I hope these will help cut through the fog.
Ezekiel 13:1-9
1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: 'Hear the word of the Lord! 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The Lord declares," when the Lord has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, "The Lord declares," though I have not spoken? 8 "'Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
John 8:43-45
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-10
3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing.
-Dave
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 10:11:03 AM
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. You seem to block out any other possible avenues for the Lord to communicate to you.
You do not know anything about me other than that I place a higher value on the HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED word of God over any human beings' visions. You do not know what other things I believe other than that, so it would be nice of you to not jump to the erroneous conclusion that I have blocked God out of my life except for the Bible. It is because of all the experiences I have had that I caution this young lady on her 'visions'.
And I see that Dave Miller has posted Scripture references with regards to the devil being the liar that Jesus says he is. Thank you Mr. Miller 
As far as your picture falling, I could tell you stories to raise your hair, but I do not believe in doing that, so, sorry, I am not impressed.
I will say that God has miraculously intervened in my life more than once and I dare say He will do it again. And I was awake at the time...not asleep so I know exactly what happened.
Like I said, I believe, but this 'vision' of 5 different men is ridiculous and BECAUSE of what I have experienced, I again caution this young lady to back off and forget that mess and instead , press on in Christ.
AGAIN, the Word of God is above any vision, prophecy, dream, impression, feeling or thought or any other thing that we or the devil can dream up. Thanks
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 12:22:14 PM
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solarflare, you're quite welcome.
preludeian, is it possible that what you experienced was a result of seismic activity? Oregon and the whole Pacific coast are constantly (quite often) experiencing earthquakes of varying intensities. That can cause thumping and things to fall. Not trying to doubt what you have said, just trying to offer alternative natural causes because of where you live. At any rate, I'm glad no one was hurt.
-Dave
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 5:50:06 PM
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solarflare, you're quite welcome.
preludeian, is it possible that what you experienced was a result of seismic activity? Oregon and the whole Pacific coast are constantly (quite often) experiencing earthquakes of varying intensities. That can cause thumping and things to fall. Not trying to doubt what you have said, just trying to offer alternative natural causes because of where you live. At any rate, I'm glad no one was hurt.
-Dave
How would seismic activity give me a vision/dream like that? The thud came from upstairs, I was partially awake the second time to realize it came from upstairs. Secondly, if you've ever dropped anything that weights over a pound it drops to the ground in less than a second. No way could I have moved out of the way if I saw something falling from wall from above me. I understanding your questioning but I know what I experienced was of Him.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 6:53:00 PM
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. You seem to block out any other possible avenues for the Lord to communicate to you.
You do not know anything about me other than that I place a higher value on the HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED word of God over any human beings' visions. You do not know what other things I believe other than that, so it would be nice of you to not jump to the erroneous conclusion that I have blocked God out of my life except for the Bible. It is because of all the experiences I have had that I caution this young lady on her 'visions'.
I know nothing of you but that which you have posted, that is all. It just 'seems' to me your strictly by the Bible with little space for anything else. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. The Holy Spirit must be consulted at all times, even when dealing with the Bible. Ministers/Preachers can give you the wrong interpretation of something within the Bible, along with your own mind. You must consult with 'Him' on all matters, be it from the Bible or from some Prophet, Vision or Minister. That is why I advised her to ask God herself and if HE inspired those visions he will answer her in a way she'll be able to understand, if not she is to put them away.
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And I see that Dave Miller has posted Scripture references with regards to the devil being the liar that Jesus says he is. Thank you Mr. Miller
As far as your picture falling, I could tell you stories to raise your hair, but I do not believe in doing that, so, sorry, I am not impressed.
Who ever said I was out to impress anyone? I'm just answering those whom say visions/dreams don't exist anymore. For the most part, dreams are nothing more than wandering thoughts while you sleep. No need to be so sarcastic.
And yes, I read Dave's scripture quotes. I take from it different things.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 7:08:26 PM
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I don't buy that he is allowed to control anything within my mind, body or spirit so much as I allow, only when he gains entrance can he inspire me. I have to open the door to him, only then can he corrupt and feed lies through that opening. It is I that must accept that which is from him, but it is I who must also act upon these deceptivie notions. It is I who am responsible for the things which I say and do, not Satan. For I will be judged seperately and not judged with him.
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Satan is known as the great deceiver, the great imitator, etc. Satan can control some thoughts in your mind, hence your reference to it's being self-conceived. Because he would frighten people away if we could see the true diabolical angel that he is, he imitates goodnes and beauty, etc. But we must not be deceived. His images are empty and un-Godly.
Also see:
Mark 13:14-23
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again. 20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
-Dave
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Because Satan can and does these kinds of events also, we have to discern that which is from God from that which is not. This is what works for me: Invoke the Scripture "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world." Then bless the vision, voice, or whatever, in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell the vision that if it is not of God, it must leave, in the name of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If it is of God, it will stay and you may experience its blessings.
Blessings to you all,
-Dave
I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 10:01:12 PM
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It is just a shame that the OP asked a question and instead of answering that question the thread has now turned to qualifying personal experiences. I don't think that is what the OP had in mind. I can prove from Scripture that we are not to follow this type of thing and hang our hopes and dreams on a 'vision' as though it were the coathanger of our life.
A very specific question was asked: She wants to know if the "visions" she has had concerning FIVE DIFFERENT men that are 'supposed' to be a spiritual view of some kind of her future husband are:
1)From God
2) From the Devil
3) From herself
How can it be helpful to address such a specific appeal for aid in discernment, with personal events that have ABSOLUTLEY NO BEARING on the question?
God is not the author of confusion. The Holy Spirit is not going to lead 5 different ways with 5 different men.
I really do not want to engage you further Pre as I disagree with what you are writing and this thread is not about you and me having a good chat. I replied to the OP, but when I read your post containing the words, and I quote, quote:
I've been reading these forums since May of this year. I've read so many threads, so many posts where people DOUBT anything unless it comes from the one form they only choose to follow, The Bible. It's like everyone has tuned their God Radio to one channel and refuse to listen to anything else that might be from the Lord. Yes, do test all things but don't disband anything that you don't understand as 'Not from Him'.
I felt strongly enough to write something about your remarks, because of the blatant errors it contained. How would you like to be waiting for your wife/husband for the next, who knows how many years, not knowing whether or not it was really God, but afraid to get on with your life in case it WAS God? Now I ask you, does that really make any sense? Is that how God wants us to live? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!
What blatant errors you ask? These:
I have read so many posts where people doubt anything unless it comes from the one form they only choose to follow, The Bible. Apart from the gramatical errors, the very thought itself that the Bible should take 2nd place to anything else is HERESY.
Dictionary definition:
Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.
Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.
Would you have us change our beliefs and put the Bible down to collect dust while we pursue dreams and visions or perhaps interpret unknown tongues? That would be so refreshing, would it not? We could all do our own thing and no one would be under any type of authority because we would all be our own authority and definatley an authority on our own.
About that Bible. The BIBLE teaches that the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets and let the prophets speak 2 or 3 . So, how many prophets or how many people with discernment have answered this woman about her vision? THAT is how she should be answered if that is what you believe. Your picture falling off a wall and just missing you is not going to help her get on with her life which, if I understand her at all, is what she would like to do.
So, all the advocates of GOD TV and a miracle a minute TV and give me your money so I can be on TV, TV, do not come on this thread and try to give an intelligent God directed answer, so I guess it is up to the people who believe that the Word of God is the Sword of the Spirit to slay all the lies and deceptions and twisting of Scripture with a good ole poke at that
hot air balloon of maybe no and maybe yes and I don't know and is it God or the devil or me? Help!
And don't even get me started with that 'God radio' thing.
And how about 'do test all things but don't disband anything you don't understand as "Not from him?" Run! Run! Run! I'm not even sure what disband means. Disregard all your little nudges from the Holy Spirit that tell you to have nothing to do with whatever it is you are messing with? All the little uncertainties that creep into your mind, the stomach that won't settle because you are fearful........no, just soldier on in the name of ignorance and leave your shield by the way side because you are not going to need it....you are entering the vally of the shadow of misguided faith.......how the devil loves that....don't question anything little sheepie...just go on little sheepie....oh God wouldn't fool you....NO, God wouldn't, but the devil, who comes as an angel of light sure would!
WAKE UP!!!!!! We are supposed to question. Remember the Bereans....oh wait, they had no cable and so no God TV!
Really Pre.......if you want to start a thread concerning all the Bible heads on these threads, please do. Perhaps all the tuned in with God TV antenae soothsayers will also open up their bag of dreams and visons and fill our heads with what might be ....... and disappear when nothing happens. I am SO tired of it 
God is not wishy washy. He has answers for all of us.....you need to start with His Word and once you know Him, that will be a big aid in discernment and you will not be caught up in weird situations, not knowing which way to turn or if it is even God.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/14/2008 10:18:42 PM
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And after all that, there was nothing wrong with asking in the first place.
There is something wrong with the kind of answer received. Let the vision go - all 5 of them.....you can only marry one anyway. God is well able to bring you and a man you could consider for marriage together. But pray for a flesh and blood Christian....these vapourous types can't keep you warm at night.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/15/2008 12:37:07 PM
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Okay, here's what I believe: Satan can and does get into our minds. That's called temptation. It began in the Garden of Eden.
He doesn't need us to open the door for him, we need to close the door to him, by invoking the power of Jesus Christ.
You do not need to accept anything from Satan. Here again, by invoking the power of Christ, Satan can be denied. However, temptation can be quite subtle and camoflaged as something good. We need to be able to discern the good from the evil. This is where prayer is essential.
Yes, you are responsible for what you say and do. However, because Satan has access to your mind if you're not consciously slamming the door in his face, he is behind the speech and actions which are evil. And you will be judged, as it is written. And Satan will be/has been judged also. His fate is sealed. Yours and mine are up to us to determine.
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I don't buy that he is allowed to control anything within my mind, body or spirit so much as I allow, only when he gains entrance can he inspire me. I have to open the door to him, only then can he corrupt and feed lies through that opening. It is I that must accept that which is from him, but it is I who must also act upon these deceptivie notions. It is I who am responsible for the things which I say and do, not Satan. For I will be judged seperately and not judged with him.
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Satan is known as the great deceiver, the great imitator, etc. Satan can control some thoughts in your mind, hence your reference to it's being self-conceived. Because he would frighten people away if we could see the true diabolical angel that he is, he imitates goodnes and beauty, etc. But we must not be deceived. His images are empty and un-Godly.
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Mark 13:14-23
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again. 20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
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Because Satan can and does these kinds of events also, we have to discern that which is from God from that which is not. This is what works for me: Invoke the Scripture "Greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world." Then bless the vision, voice, or whatever, in the name of Jesus Christ. Tell the vision that if it is not of God, it must leave, in the name of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If it is of God, it will stay and you may experience its blessings.
Blessings to you all,
-Dave
I haven't read all the way through the bible but where does it say that Satan can give visions? If it is not from God then it is self-concieved to my limited understanding. People give Satan more credit then he deserves.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/16/2008 10:03:51 PM
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Look, bottom line is this. I said it before and I will say it again. I said to ask the Lord, if it is ANYTHING he'll be in touch. If it is nothing, put it away.
I'm quite aware of my gramatical lacking, thanks.
As far as me walking without my 'shield'... you are way off. The Bible is my foundation. I don't know where you got it from that I view it any other way. I question all things... ALL THINGS.
Now let this thread rest. I think enough instruction/opinion on her vision/dream have been given that she would find it satisfactory.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/17/2008 12:52:25 AM
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Lets keep the focus on the OP instead of our own personal stories. The thread is going off topic.
Also, this is just a precaution, no one has done so thus far, but please do not offer her some sort of word of knowledge interpretation of what the dream means. Thank you.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/17/2008 1:49:52 AM
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Has anyone simply considered dreams are nothing more than that... dreams?
Often in Scripture, dreams are more than just dreams, and sometimes have enormous significance (e.g. Nebuchednezzar's dream and Joseph's dreams). Therefore Christian may not lightly dismiss dreams as "just dreams" or the result of indigestion (as you suggest).
God appeared to some in their dreams (e.g. Jacob) , and sometimes He sent an angel. Had Joseph the husband of Mary not received an important revelation through a dream (Mt. 2:12), the Gospel narrative would have been quite different.
As to the OP, one may certainly ask the Lord to show them who their future spouse could be. As a matter of fact, Abraham's "eldest servant" asked the Lord on behalf of Isaac and received his answer almost immediately (Gen. 24:14,15). But one must also learn to wait paitiently and seek God's will rather than one's own. Joseph waited many years in affliction before his dreams came to fruition.
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RE: Visions from God, the devil or me? - 8/17/2008 2:19:17 AM
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