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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/12/2008 3:42:08 PM
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moon_mouse
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How so? If only one embryo is created, and only one implanted?
A work-around for what issue?
A Sarah suggesting that Abraham have children through Hagar to fulfill the promise of Adonai. We can see how well that worked out.
Abraham and Sarah were specifically told that God would provide them a child. Their later difficulties were as a result of not obeying God's direct instruction. If a couple is not given specific instructions not to pursue medical intervention, they aren't contravening God.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/12/2008 5:33:43 PM
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Jhud
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Have you seen this recent article dealing with surrogacy in India?
Clearly the birth mother felt she had fulfilled her "job" and would have nothing more to do with the baby. I get the impression she didn't care whether or not her child died.
So, as far as surrogacy being ethical ... perhaps this puts a new spin on the thought / purpose behind it. Personally, I feel for these women to be "baby factories" and "discard" their child by being done with "it" once the birthing has happened is completely unethical. A baby is a human life, not a commodity.
Yes, I think this may be one of the more pertinent problems with surrogacy - it turns the conception of a human into an economic exchange.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/12/2008 6:19:36 PM
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My biggest issue with this India case is that I can't see how someone can be forced to ADOPT their BIOLOGICAL child. I can see why they wouldn't be keen on a single man adopting a baby girl. And sure there are cases of child abuse with bio parents but it's twisted to not give this baby to her father. Would they not give a son to his father? Would he still have to adopt the baby? It's all whacky.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/17/2008 4:16:25 PM
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Surrogacy is wrong. What n how do tell that child oh ur realy mummy lives in thats place or this place. Too many poor kids grow up confused,com
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/19/2008 3:30:24 PM
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Surrogacy is wrong. What n how do tell that child oh ur realy mummy lives in thats place or this place. Too many poor kids grow up confused,com What we call "real" parents (i.e. genetic parents) has nothing to do with who is biblically your real parents. Biblically, Jesus was Joseph's real son, even if Joseph made no biological contribution to his physical makeup.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/25/2008 2:12:09 AM
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I am sure I posted on this last year sometime....
I see surrogacy in the OT being used by Sarah (Haggar as surrogate) with Abraham and Leah and Rachel (with Bilhah and Zilpah as surrogates) with Jacob. Lacking modern technology, they had to do it the old fashioned way. The bible never condems these actions specifically. Yes, Abraham and Sarah are reproved for trying to make God's promise on their own. Jacob had no such reprimand. Were there troubles? Yes. But we never see the concept (pardon the pun) itself condemned in scripture.
Well, noting the ensuing problems caused by the jealousies and such amongst the women, I'd say that'spretty much an indictment of it as it was done back then.
There are women in India who are being used as surrogates for American, Canadian, and European couples using donated/harvested eggs and sperm. They understand that the child is not theirs, neither genetically or emotionally. They are doing this for money to help their families, and are housed in dormatories. The biological parents fly in for the expected birth and take the child home with them.
It's not something I could do, but I understand when someone does it to help a friend or relative who can't have children.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/25/2008 8:21:57 AM
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Well, noting the ensuing problems caused by the jealousies and such amongst the women, I'd say that'spretty much an indictment of it as it was done back then. Please note that in the case of Jacob that the jealousy was between Rachel and Leah, both legal wifes, and NOT with the "surrogates" Bilhah and Zilpah.
Whereever you get more than one person involved there will be jealousy due to fallen human nature.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 8/30/2008 11:12:50 PM
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I'm more worried about the potential for poor women to be exploited. Can you imagine if a woman's family or her husband pressures or forces her to rent her womb out? Women have such little status in India to start with and married women are often threatened, beaten, maimed, and killed by their husbands or in-laws trying to extort more money out of the wife's family.
I have issues with quite a few things about paid surrogacy. I can understand that some women would see it as a way to make some money for their families, but there are insufficient laws to protect surrogates AND the couples that hire them. Vagueness in law allows for people to be exploited and ripped off either way, and the child is caught in the middle more as property than as a child.
This issue definitely needs a great deal of discussion and research.
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RE: Is Surrogacy Ethical? - 9/4/2008 7:55:31 AM
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DaveW
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While I do not see a biblical or moral prohibition against surrogacy (as I have posted above) Palehawkwoman's concerns are definately legit. The opportunity for exploitation is great.
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