|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:09:13 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Piff.
if you would like to get into docrtine and things of that nature, by all means... start another thread.
Uhmmm... that's the essence of what this thread is about - the doctrines and the nature of the Mormon cult and why it's NOT Christian.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:09:28 PM
|
|
|
Piff.
Posts: 35
Joined: 7/24/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
No offense intended, it's just that I believe there are certain opinions of certain groups that automatically disqualify themselves as having no eternal worth or validity. To name only two, in addition to Mormonism: Jehovah's Witnesses and Branch Davidians. There should be no question that those are outside biblical and historical Christianity and they worship a god not found in the Bible.
understood.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:11:36 PM
|
|
|
Piff.
Posts: 35
Joined: 7/24/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
Uhmmm... that's the essence of what this thread is about - the doctrines and the nature of the Mormon cult and why it's NOT Christian.
i was under the impression that we were talking about the docrtines in which i personally subscribe to... as opposed to docrtine of members of the mormon faith.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:14:01 PM
|
|
|
davemiller7
Posts: 1054
Joined: 3/5/2008
From: NC via NY
Status: offline
|
The Mormons will tell you that "Of course we are Christians. Isn't the name of the church, Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints?" I heard that said several times by different peoploe.
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: landabee
In my experiences with mormons, there are terms that are used that are also used within the Christian church. The problem is that the utilization of those terms are different.
The need to understand your definition of Christianity is paramount.
Transparency makes true conversation more productive.
_____________________________
-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:16:56 PM
|
|
|
crankius
Posts: 4468
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
Piff--Here is my post to you from before.
Note the bold section:
quote:
ORIGINAL: crankius
quote:
ORIGINAL: Piff.
essentially, is this a thread full of orthodox Christians discussing Mormon doctrines?
There are exmormons who visit the thread quite often.
And if you read the thread carefully, you will see lots of quotes and links directly to mormon theology/quotes from mormon books, teachings, prophets, etc.
It is not anyone's intention to spread false information about mormonism, but rather to discuss the actual differences between mormonism and Biblical Christianity.
_____________________________
Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
Ecclesiastes 7:16
SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:19:59 PM
|
|
|
Piff.
Posts: 35
Joined: 7/24/2008
Status: offline
|
understood, but i cant very well discuss something i'm not privy to... how can i draw a comparison between two things when i'm unfamiliar with one of the two?
landabee stated he/she was interested in my doctrinal point of view... i didnt consider this the proper arena for us to discuss my doctrinal point of view. am i mistaken in this conclusion?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:23:07 PM
|
|
|
crankius
Posts: 4468
Joined: 4/12/2005
Status: offline
|
Here is the OP:
quote:
ORIGINAL: ScenesterForGOD
Hey, Im new here so Im sorry if this isnt the right place to post this.
But Ive been studying different religions because I figure if Im gonna evangelize, then I might as well know at least a little about other religions. Mormonism is really big here in Missouri, so I figure I might as well start with that.
If anyone can give me any websites or something about mormonism and any of their ideas on anything really, that would be amazing. Thanks so much in advance.
If you have knowledge of mormonism and you can contribute, please do so. If you have a question about mormonism, please ask.
This is not a thread about DOCTRINES OF PIFF. You were asked about where you stand so that we could know if you are mormon, Christian, or otherwise.
As already noted, mormons use many of the same terms but with different definitions--thus, the need for constant clarification.
Please stick to the OP. Thanks.
_____________________________
Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
Ecclesiastes 7:16
SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 2:26:25 PM
|
|
|
Piff.
Posts: 35
Joined: 7/24/2008
Status: offline
|
haha... i'm fully aware this isn't a docrine of piff. perhaps i misunderstood landabee's post.
however, again i can tell you that at this point right now... i cannot contribute to the thread. i merely wanted clarificiation if this thread was going to be worth the hour or so it would take to read through.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 5:20:27 PM
|
|
|
cybrjewls
Posts: 1479
Status: offline
|
At least the Mormons seem to intend to build up The Body of Christ unto Good Works and Fruits of the Spirit of God.
Whereas, some mishandle The Word of God to make like it would be to no effect in the lives for those who believe that Works are not a Grace Given by God to do through God by Faith in Christ Jesus and by Grace accounted for unto the evidences of True Faith unto Righteousness. For both Abel and Cain did something for God, but Abels sacrifice was accepted, at that point, not Cain's. To Cain He said: If you do well won't it be accepted? For he did not have to pursue Abel from town to town talking evil about his so-called 'doctrinal' faults and then killing him in his field; instead; by trying to say that he was condemned instead. We see that Abel; instead; was counted at The Word of Jesus in The Gospel to be found among The Martyred Prophets from across all time periods on earth unto The Millennium Period of Jesus Christ's Reign at Jerusalem. if I want him (John the Apostle) to live until I come again, what is that to you? You must Follow Me said Christ Jesus to Peter. For Jesus Christ has gone to prepare Us a place in Paradise for all of eternity as written. One must prepare themselves to be found having clothes worthy to remain in Wedding Feast of The King. Just as people wash themselves constantly to take of their physical bodies. One could ask of The Lord to make their clothes clean as written in revelation. These are those that came out of the Great Tribulation, and they were without number! For the 144,000 chosen firstfruits of God Will be among the earth Following Christ wherever He goes as well as the two witnesses at Jerusalem as written. These will be doing Great Works in Obedience to Christ Jesus' Word, also. These will remain on earth after the 'raptura' event occurs and God Will Make a distinction between the Righteous and the unrighteous as written.
This is the situation that Paul speaks of concerning running the Good Race in such a way as to win the prize. For there are many Glories, but One God.
quote:
ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Fritz, Melchizedek is being discussed because he is/was (?) an essential part of the Mormon faith. It is the Melchizedek Priesthood that all Mormon men attain if they are good Mormons. That's why it was being discussed.
-Dave
quote:
ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin
Melchizedek isn't the topic for this thread.
Please continue that discussion in a different thread.
Thanks!
< Message edited by cybrjewls -- 7/29/2008 9:11:53 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 5:41:44 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
At least the Mormons seem to intend to build up The Body of Christ unto Good Works and Fruits of the Spirit of God.
The Mormon only seem to intend to build up the cult of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and the fruits of their cult.
Go to the Lord's words on the matter:
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
-Matthew 24:5
And from Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 5:56:57 PM
|
|
|
cybrjewls
Posts: 1479
Status: offline
|
Therefore, those whose works are iniquity in accordance with the Word spoken by Jesus Christ will be cast outside as you propose.....
On the outside of things they seem to be building up a cult around Joseph Smith (a false Mason 'prophet' with a false 'history' book) The false prophet is the one that is condemned at the Word of Jesus Messiah IF they cause their neighbor to trip from believing in The Truth at any point.
The primary controversial teaching of the Mormon Church is, then, water 'baptism' for the dead. And, of course, the supposed 'prophecies' of Joseph Smith. If these prophesies, though, are found to be in proces of fulillment or are fulfilled, they would be evidence that the gift of prophecy was given to Joseph Smith.
But God is The God of The Living not of the dead. Therefore, the dead are baptised in fire of hades, and hopefully not, Gehena also. For Christ descended into the lower earthly regions and Was Preached and Believed on in the world is written. For God looked and Was Abhorred at the destruction that men would have to endure and so it is written That His Own Right Hand Worked Salvation For HIM. Jesus Is The Right Hand of God and The Power of God as written. For all authority was given to Christ as written; both on earth and in Heaven. And, the sheep only listen to The Voice of Jesus for they belong to Him only and they know that He cares for them and Loves them dearly and they are cherished and not taken advantage of for money and other wrongful intentions.
But God knows what He has put into the people for it is written My Statutes and My Commandments I Will Write on the hearts of the people.
Jesus said to those that opposed Him, you are those who are 'right' in your own eyes, but God knows your hearts. For on the outside of things one may appear to have the 'correct' diction regarding doctrinal thinkings; all the while serving none other mammon or greed and self righteousness before other people. None of these things do anything to Gain by Grace honor with God. For Abel and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Joseph had not the law of moses. But The True Gospel of Loving The ONE True God through faith credited as righteousness in obedience by Grace through the Gracious Offering Bestowed upon those unto Goodness, Mercy, Faith, Gentleness,..... which are evident Work of God unto Good deeds bearing much for Kingdom Wealth and Prizes and Rewards untold. For such as these, there is no doctrinal 'law of Moses'; per se is written.
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
At least the Mormons seem to intend to build up The Body of Christ unto Good Works and Fruits of the Spirit of God.
The Mormon only seem to intend to build up the cult of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and the fruits of their cult.
Go to the Lord's words on the matter:
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
-Matthew 24:5
And from Matthew 7:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
< Message edited by cybrjewls -- 7/29/2008 9:17:04 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 6:02:41 PM
|
|
|
earthless
Posts: 6205
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: where pigeons are wearing sweaters....
Status: offline
|
cyberjwls,
Are you saying that Mormons are born-again believers? Are you saying that Mormonism preaches God's truth?
_____________________________
Probing Today's Religious Movements | Promoting Doctrinal Discernment & Critical Thinking | Providing Reasons for Christian Faith & Ethics
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 6:09:07 PM
|
|
|
cybrjewls
Posts: 1479
Status: offline
|
Greetings! God wrote that HE, alone, IS The Teacher; no one else!
quote:
ORIGINAL: earthless
cyberjwls,
Are you saying that Mormons are born-again believers? Are you saying that Mormonism preaches God's truth?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 6:10:19 PM
|
|
|
earthless
Posts: 6205
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: where pigeons are wearing sweaters....
Status: offline
|
Prophetica,
You did not answer the questions.
Based on this and the JW thread - do you believe that anyone and everyone is saved? Yes or no?
_____________________________
Probing Today's Religious Movements | Promoting Doctrinal Discernment & Critical Thinking | Providing Reasons for Christian Faith & Ethics
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 6:19:43 PM
|
|
|
cybrjewls
Posts: 1479
Status: offline
|
Are good deeds to run around 'sharing' the 'good' news of how your doctrinal understandings are superior to other groups? Jesus said that many of those not trained professionally in the law of Moses enter instead. Jesus Said For which of these Good Deeds do you stone me? On the evidence of The Good Shepherd's example, we as His Works can do many good things through The Grace that God has bestowed unto receiving rewards conferred by Grace in The Kingdom of God that remain as written. If what was done was done through God the Work Will remain. For the one who sins is a slave, now a slave has no permanent place in the Family; but a son of God remains forever. Paul considered himself to be a bondservant who pledged himself by free will to Christ for Life as in accordance with the teachings of the law where after The Master set you free you could pledge yourself unto Him for your whole Life because you loved Him and He had treated more favorably than you would be treated on your own. He owns everything and Paul pledged himself to Him for slavery service for Life. Therefore, the Kingdom was Offered and Accepted by Faith not works of superior knowledge doctrinal efforts of mans thinkings. But by and through The Right Hand and The Power of God's resurrection for us is fellowship said Paul.
quote:
ORIGINAL: earthless
Prophetica,
You did not answer the questions.
Based on this and the JW thread - do you believe that anyone and everyone is saved? Yes or no?
< Message edited by cybrjewls -- 7/29/2008 10:02:34 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 6:45:29 PM
|
|
|
earthless
Posts: 6205
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: where pigeons are wearing sweaters....
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
Are good deeds to run around 'sharing' the 'good' news of how your doctrinal understandings are superior to other groups? Jesus said that many of those not trained professionally in the law of Moses enter instead. Therefore, the Kingdom was Offered and Accepted by Faith not works of superior knowledge doctrinal efforts of mans thinkings. But by and through The Right Hand and The Power of God's resurrection for us is fellowship said Paul.
Answer my question please. It is a very simple one.
_____________________________
Probing Today's Religious Movements | Promoting Doctrinal Discernment & Critical Thinking | Providing Reasons for Christian Faith & Ethics
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/29/2008 7:54:42 PM
|
|
|
Ps103
Posts: 11693
Joined: 4/16/2005
From: Here, now
Status: offline
|
MODERATOR'S NOTE :: ATTENTION PLEASE
Actually, please take this whole conversation to pms, as it is not really on topic for this thread.
At least I do not *think* it is. It is difficult to tell. But it does not seem to have anything to do with Mormonism, so please discuss it elsewhere.
Please do not reply to this message within the Community.
Please email Community@salemwebnetwork.com with questions, comments, or concerns.
Please do not send me PMs regarding this message.
_____________________________
Fasten your seatbelts...it's going to be a bumpy night.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 7/30/2008 8:01:02 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: cybrjewls
Are good deeds to run around 'sharing' the 'good' news of how your doctrinal understandings are superior to other groups?...
"Bad" news includes proclaiming that enemies of Christ's Gospel, like the Mormons, are members of the Kingdom of God. In doing so, you not only participate in their evil, you become guilty of leading the lost into a path away from any hope of eternal life - you then encourage another gospel than which is found in the Bible.
There is only one Way for redemption and one must be born again, not acheive it by works as the Mormons teach.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 8/1/2008 9:13:08 PM
|
|
|
slimon11
Posts: 201
Joined: 2/10/2008
Status: offline
|
I usually don't answer the door for the Mormon missionaries but, felt like I should've when they came by this morning. What do you guys say to them?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mormonism? - 8/1/2008 10:38:35 PM
|
|
|
mushhead
Posts: 514
Joined: 5/29/2005
From: Kearns
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: slimon11
I usually don't answer the door for the Mormon missionaries but, felt like I should've when they came by this morning. What do you guys say to them?
I usually tell them that I am willing to listen to them, if they understand from the outset that I have studied the church in depth; that I do not believe its doctrines; that there is no chance they will be able to change my mind; and I will ask challenging and difficult questions that are designed to dissuade them from continuing their association with the LDS church.
_____________________________
MUSHHEAD
Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Matt. 7:6
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
