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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/6/2007 7:30:49 PM
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/6/2007 8:17:46 PM
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Me and my friends(age 18 and below) are huge fans of groups like the Kingsmen, Gold City, and Dixie Echoes. I have always been a fan of the old style quartet music and I love it.
I enjoy reading Roy Pauley's column and he does bring up some good topics.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/6/2007 9:01:49 PM
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Roy Pauley's article is among the first items that I read. It is an opinion column and the purpose of such is to make people think. Whether you agree or not is not necessary. I do happen to agree with him on many areas, but it that isn't the point. If you have to stop and think, then he has done a successful job at writing. It is obvious that most of you have had to think about what he has written, that makes him a success at writing an opinion column.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/6/2007 9:14:39 PM
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I consider Roy Pauley a good friend, and I happen to like the guy a lot. I am sure that most of you would like him too, if you were to meet him. As for him not supporting the younger groups, you are very wrong. I have heard him at Grand Ole Gospel introduce the Booth Brothers with as must zeal as anyone could expect. Roy's concern is in quality singing, and on that point I will agree. Many in our genre have become lazy. They don't want to learn music or proper technique, they just want to go out and do it. I have heard Roy give advise to young groups starting out, in person mind you, and I doubt a single one of you would have objected to what he had to say. If you think he does not like the younger groups coming on, you have been reading a far different column than have I. I can tell without question, that Roy went out on a limb for us in his column when no one else on the planet knew who we are. I think sometimes Roy is like me, he lives with the images of those great groups from years gone by and its really hard to remember any of the down side of that era. However, if we are to succeed today in building for a future, then we must be knowledgable of the past and where we came from. A little preparation on the musical side of things would be appreciated too. As to the audience being gray, I have been singing this music since I was a kid in the early '60's. The audience was gray then too. It seems to me as people age their taste becomes more conservative, and they migrate to more substantial conservative fare, such as SG Music. I believe the lion's share of our audience will always be on the gray side of life. So yes, I do care what Roy thinks, as I care about what everyone might think. Roy is totally dedicated to this music we call SG. I really can find no fault in that, can you?
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/6/2007 11:29:14 PM
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As the younger generation of Southern Gospel fans we need to understand that we are in the minority. 75% (best guess) of the Southern Gospel listening audience is over the age of 50 (not that there is anything wrong with that). If that is the case most successful artists do what they need to do to cater to this target demographic. Roy Pauley is the voice of that demographic.
The younger 'hip' artist is going to have a tougher time trying to garner attention from this target demographic. As much as we hear about change and growth in Southern Gospel music, the mindset will not change until the demographic of the audience changes.
As a person over 50, I would be HIGHLY OFFENDED if I truly believed people thought Roy Pauley spoke for me with his opinions!!!!!!
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 12:28:13 PM
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I always read Roy's column. I sometimes think he takes too hard of a line, but I definitely respect his opinion. I do not think he considers it his mission to guard against any change or progression in the genre. On the other hand, and as an older person who is probably smack in the middle age-wise of most concert-goers I see, I think we, younger and older, should always look back to the ones who got this all started, as a reality check on where we are today. I agree with Mr. Pauley every time when he talks about good quality singing. I would certainly never condemn his intent for anything he says that I might not wholly agree with. Keep the column going, Roy. And thankfully, I have been to many concerts that were way more "church" than "entertainment".
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 2:05:24 PM
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I read Roy's column every month and respect his opinions but I still wish Singing News would allow perspective from the younger Southern Gospel generation to both counter and coincide with Roy's opinion.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 2:14:36 PM
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Totally agree with Seaton. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but they ought to have the younger generation chime in too. I am 18 years of age and at times I am down right frustrated and discouraged after reading the articles. I love some of the old quartet music but there is lots of good groups that appeal to a younger generation as well. Sometimes he really confuses me. I have read articles about dress and stage presence and "overusage of tracks" and then I read an article where He sings the praises of GVB. As stated I respect his opinion I just don't think it should be the only one in the magazine.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 5:44:42 PM
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I really think Roy says what he does just to stir things up. No one can be that clueless. Yes, some groups were better years ago but as a whole things have improved. I dont want to watch my Tv we had in the sixties and Im glad Southern Gospel had advanced also.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 6:54:39 PM
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I really think Roy says what he does just to stir things up. No one can be that clueless. Yes, some groups were better years ago but as a whole things have improved. I dont want to watch my Tv we had in the sixties and Im glad Southern Gospel had advanced also.
Mary I don't want to be Chicken Little here, but just where has Southern Gospel became better? Vocal groups typically, do arrangements far less demanding and with talent far less trained than we had a few generations ago. There are exceptions to the rule, but one only has to listen to SG radio for any lenght of time to realize that we are collectively promoting too many artists with questionable talent and musical knowledge.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 7:02:00 PM
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All of this talk about Roy Pauley's column in the Singing News Magazine has my curiosity up. So, I went back to my december issue and re-read it. Several times as a matter of fact. My first question is what is it in the article you, young or old, take exception with. The following is a quote from the article:
"We are failing to teach them, by example, the importance of vital elements of singing and performance such as class, quality, harmony, blend and correct pronunciation. Close harmony, a smooth blend and the finer points of gospel singing go unnoticed by to many."
May I point out that Mr. Pauley is pointing his finger at the older singers not the younger ones. "We are failing to teach them, by example"
Who in the world can argue with Class, harmony, blend and corect pronunciation. Every group out there should strive to perfect these elements.
No where in the article has Mr. Pauley indicated that all of the younger singers are guilty of not doing this. But I certainly agree that some are.
Other than those few statements, Mr. Pauley is urging the young artist to study the history of Southern Gospel. What is wrong with that. Someone much wiser than I once said "if we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it. Yes I think they can learn a lot from the history of gospel music. Not only that but just maybe save some time. There is no use reinventing the wheel. Look at what was done in history. If it worked fine but if it didn't then for goodness sake try something else.
With all that said I do not always agree with Mr. Pauley. But please do not read more into what he said than is actually there.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 8:43:55 PM
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All of this talk about Roy Pauley's column in the Singing News Magazine has my curiosity up. So, I went back to my december issue and re-read it. Several times as a matter of fact. My first question is what is it in the article you, young or old, take exception with. The following is a quote from the article:
"We are failing to teach them, by example, the importance of vital elements of singing and performance such as class, quality, harmony, blend and correct pronunciation. Close harmony, a smooth blend and the finer points of gospel singing go unnoticed by to many."
May I point out that Mr. Pauley is pointing his finger at the older singers not the younger ones. "We are failing to teach them, by example"
Who in the world can argue with Class, harmony, blend and corect pronunciation. Every group out there should strive to perfect these elements.
No where in the article has Mr. Pauley indicated that all of the younger singers are guilty of not doing this. But I certainly agree that some are.
Other than those few statements, Mr. Pauley is urging the young artist to study the history of Southern Gospel. What is wrong with that. Someone much wiser than I once said "if we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it. Yes I think they can learn a lot from the history of gospel music. Not only that but just maybe save some time. There is no use reinventing the wheel. Look at what was done in history. If it worked fine but if it didn't then for goodness sake try something else.
With all that said I do not always agree with Mr. Pauley. But please do not read more into what he said than is actually there.
Yeah...great post.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 9:04:40 PM
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Roy Pauley's article is one of my favorites, one of the first I read....
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/7/2007 11:03:40 PM
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All of this talk about Roy Pauley's column in the Singing News Magazine has my curiosity up. So, I went back to my december issue and re-read it. Several times as a matter of fact. My first question is what is it in the article you, young or old, take exception with. The following is a quote from the article:
"We are failing to teach them, by example, the importance of vital elements of singing and performance such as class, quality, harmony, blend and correct pronunciation. Close harmony, a smooth blend and the finer points of gospel singing go unnoticed by to many."
May I point out that Mr. Pauley is pointing his finger at the older singers not the younger ones. "We are failing to teach them, by example"
Who in the world can argue with Class, harmony, blend and corect pronunciation. Every group out there should strive to perfect these elements.
No where in the article has Mr. Pauley indicated that all of the younger singers are guilty of not doing this. But I certainly agree that some are.
Other than those few statements, Mr. Pauley is urging the young artist to study the history of Southern Gospel. What is wrong with that. Someone much wiser than I once said "if we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it. Yes I think they can learn a lot from the history of gospel music. Not only that but just maybe save some time. There is no use reinventing the wheel. Look at what was done in history. If it worked fine but if it didn't then for goodness sake try something else.
With all that said I do not always agree with Mr. Pauley. But please do not read more into what he said than is actually there.
Yeah...great post.
Thanks Ben. I just call it as I see it. 
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/8/2007 12:06:00 AM
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ORIGINAL: qtman
All of this talk about Roy Pauley's column in the Singing News Magazine has my curiosity up. So, I went back to my december issue and re-read it. Several times as a matter of fact. My first question is what is it in the article you, young or old, take exception with. The following is a quote from the article:
"We are failing to teach them, by example, the importance of vital elements of singing and performance such as class, quality, harmony, blend and correct pronunciation. Close harmony, a smooth blend and the finer points of gospel singing go unnoticed by to many."
May I point out that Mr. Pauley is pointing his finger at the older singers not the younger ones. "We are failing to teach them, by example"
Who in the world can argue with Class, harmony, blend and corect pronunciation. Every group out there should strive to perfect these elements.
No where in the article has Mr. Pauley indicated that all of the younger singers are guilty of not doing this. But I certainly agree that some are.
Other than those few statements, Mr. Pauley is urging the young artist to study the history of Southern Gospel. What is wrong with that. Someone much wiser than I once said "if we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it. Yes I think they can learn a lot from the history of gospel music. Not only that but just maybe save some time. There is no use reinventing the wheel. Look at what was done in history. If it worked fine but if it didn't then for goodness sake try something else.
With all that said I do not always agree with Mr. Pauley. But please do not read more into what he said than is actually there.
Yeah...great post.
Thanks Ben. I just call it as I see it.
I couldn't agree more. Great post qtman. I believe part of this also has to do with the decline of singing schools in our day. I attended Stamps-Baxter in 1996 and enjoyed it tremendously. I learned a lot there and made some great friends and acquaintances. Some of the kids there were attending for the umpteenth time and it really showed. Those kids could sightread like crazy and could sing solfege (that's the do, re, mi, fas for SG folk) like nobody's business. I was thoroughly impressed with what I witnessed there. So much so, in fact, that I have since contacted Ben Speer about the possiblity of coming on board as a voice teacher for the school. I think Stamps and schools like it are great training grounds for young people to learn to sing SG music well.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/8/2007 3:15:43 AM
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All of this talk about Roy Pauley's column in the Singing News Magazine has my curiosity up. So, I went back to my december issue and re-read it. Several times as a matter of fact. My first question is what is it in the article you, young or old, take exception with. The following is a quote from the article:
"We are failing to teach them, by example, the importance of vital elements of singing and performance such as class, quality, harmony, blend and correct pronunciation. Close harmony, a smooth blend and the finer points of gospel singing go unnoticed by to many."
May I point out that Mr. Pauley is pointing his finger at the older singers not the younger ones. "We are failing to teach them, by example"
Who in the world can argue with Class, harmony, blend and corect pronunciation. Every group out there should strive to perfect these elements.
No where in the article has Mr. Pauley indicated that all of the younger singers are guilty of not doing this. But I certainly agree that some are.
Other than those few statements, Mr. Pauley is urging the young artist to study the history of Southern Gospel. What is wrong with that. Someone much wiser than I once said "if we do not study history we are doomed to repeat it. Yes I think they can learn a lot from the history of gospel music. Not only that but just maybe save some time. There is no use reinventing the wheel. Look at what was done in history. If it worked fine but if it didn't then for goodness sake try something else.
With all that said I do not always agree with Mr. Pauley. But please do not read more into what he said than is actually there.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/8/2007 7:43:27 PM
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Mary I don't want to be Chicken Little here, but just where has Southern Gospel became better? Vocal groups typically, do arrangements far less demanding and with talent far less trained than we had a few generations ago. There are exceptions to the rule, but one only has to listen to SG radio for any lenght of time to realize that we are collectively promoting too many artists with questionable talent and musical knowledge.
I know Im going to make some people mad by saying this but I went back in my collection and pulled out several albums from leading groups like the Speers, Chuck Wagon Gang and the Blackwoods. If you played them for someone who knew nothing of Southern Gospel but knew music you might be shocked. The quality of their voice's were VERY vaudville and not near the quality of many of the groups we have today. Their only music education they received was going to a singing school. Many of our artists today have studied voice at colleges and some like Micala Brown, have studied at prestigoud music schools. The background musicians have greatly improved, the performance's have improved. Actaully, can you tell me one area we have not improved. Most importantly, we have improved spiritually. The NUMEROUS stories I hear of the lifestyles many of the artists from that era lived compared with the more ministry minded goals of this generation leave me glad that that era is over.
Yes, we have a rich tradition in Gospel music but if I believed that our best days were behind us... then I would have no reason to ever go to a concert or buy another album. Gold City, Greater Vision, the Hoppers, Triumphant, Kingdom Heirs, Perry's, The Kiongsmen, Legacy Five, Signature Sound, Monument, Gaither vocal band, Karen Peck, Ivan Parker... the list goes on and on. We need to appreciate THIS generation, support them better than we do and be glad that this wonderful style of music will only get better and continue to reach the lost for years to come.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/8/2007 9:37:53 PM
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/8/2007 11:20:07 PM
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Actually Mary I think your hearing the difference in recording techniques from say 1950's till now. Technology has come a long way and thus it makes the "sound" of the recording better. But you're not making me mad...thats for sure.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/9/2007 3:14:08 AM
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Several of you wrote that the general demographic of a SG fan is between 50-70 as an average. If this is so, and no one wants to give young groups a chance and expects their music and style to stay the same, then it will die when the demographic dies. More groups now than ever are leaving SG music because of monetary reasons. All of this depends on fan support and if they won't accept anything new (I know there are exceptions to every rule but this is the majority) then you will continue to see a number of top tier groups come off the road. If no one accepts change then the number of fans will continue to decline. Fan base declines, promoters quit promoting concerts, artists loose income and sales, and are forced to quit, depleting SG music and eventually dying out. Maybe not extinct, but only a few full time groups could still travel.
FYI: The average flat rate that most full time Contemporary Christian Music artists get paid per night is 10,000.00. The average flat a full time SG artist recieves is 2,500.00 a night. Just think how many people have come for love offerings! CCM was in the top five of all musical genres in gross sales and income for 2006. You can almost find a CCM radio station in every major city in the US. How many SG stations can you say that about.The average crowd a CCM festival has per night is around 15,000 people. Freedom Hall is a fraction bigger than that and we can't sell it out one night of NQC! There are several CCM artists that play to over 100,000 people a festival! Just stating the facts.
Getting back to the spiritual side of this industry: Would all of you not agree with me that NQC is the largest event in SG? Then if it is so concerned about spirituality and not just self recognition, then how come they can't take just ten minutes out each night to share the gospel and give an altar call? Maybe not ask the people to leave their seats but give a chance to win the lost and say the sinners prayer. I have never went to a major CCM festival that they didn't take time out to have an altar call.
Look, I am in no way trying to be an advocate for CCM. What I am saying is this: Do you want this music that we all love to die in fifteen years? We have to give new groups a chance. So what if their hair and clothes are not something you approve of, and heaven forbid they wear jeans in a church. Who cares. It may not be your cup of tea, but your children and grandchildren may like it. Look at their hearts and not their appearance. Just give them a chance!
And you say what does Roy's oppinion have to do with this? It's most of the attitudes of a typical SG fan! If this continues we are only delaying the inevitable.
Like I said there's an exception to every rule, so if that is you then disregard these comments.
Just my oppinion.... Well most of it anyway.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/9/2007 7:41:04 AM
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TNSG I have been around this industry for longer than a lot of the members here have been alive. I have heard the prediction that Southern Gospel would die in the next few (However many years) since I started listening to it. The fact is Southern Gospel with continue ti thrive until God is through with it Roy Pauley's opinion or not.
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RE: Does anyone care about Roy pauley's opinion? - 12/9/2007 12:32:03 PM
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Several of you wrote that the general demographic of a SG fan is between 50-70 as an average. If this is so, and no one wants to give young groups a chance and expects their music and style to stay the same, then it will die when the demographic dies.
When I started in the 60's as a kid, the demographic was between 50-70 for the most part. Back then artists were saying the same thing you here today, "If we don't get some young people in its going to die." In reality, it seems as Christian people age they tend to migrate more toward Southern Gospel. People who were once hard rock and roll fans are now SG fans. It is that migration that keeps SG alive. I would love to see us have a broader appeal too, but how does one go about that without losing the core audience we have which is that 50-70 age group?
This thread got started as who thinks Roy's opinion is worth anything? The truth is, Roy is very much for the younger artist. But he does understand something that seemingly some of the younger artists tend to miss. And that is the core SG audience is mature, very conservative and in need of entertainment, and ministry that fulfils their needs. It is very easy and self satisfying, to want to do music that challenges the artist. In doing so however, one can lose the very core of the audience that still pays the bills. It is a hard fence to stand on. I agree that we need younger people involved both as artists and fans, but it is a difficult thing to achieve with the genre being as it is.
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