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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 9:25:54 AM
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amybreit
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((((Donna)))) - It sounds like you & Noah are heading in the right direction. I wonder if there's any way that someone else could sit with him & make sure he gets most of his work done while at school. Like a teacher's aide or volunteer? I don't know how much staff they have, but it sounds like his teacher may be a bit overwhelmed. Just a thought.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 9:38:32 AM
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Oh {{{{{Donna}}}}, I DO live near you and STILL can't help much.  I do have an idea though. You could ask if there is an older student that can work with him after school on his work. I have done this in that past with other kids. Right now, I have problems with Timothy on a couple of subjects because of his lack of focus and his reading skills are sometimes troublesome. I found that if Caleb sits down and works with him that he finishes a lot quicker, gets more out of it, and he doesn't get frustrated. Caleb is really patient and calm with Timothy, and he really enjoys helping. If you could borrow a kid that that Noah respects (I think that they would have to be older than Caleb), that might help a lot.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 10:48:38 AM
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Donna, the schools that my grandkids go to use log books to keep communications going between the parents and teacher. the kids are ressponsible for carrying it back and forth in their back pack. It works pretty well for them.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 12:38:02 PM
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I'm counting the minutes until he gets home...to see if there is a response from the teacher. I am pathetic. LOL
All of this certainly confirms that my instinct that this child will NEVER be in public school is right on. If he has this much trouble in a class with 8 kids and a school with Christ at the center...well...we won't go there. Yikes. (Please note that is not a commentary on anyone else's child in public school...just this particular child.)
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 3:34:41 PM
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He had to stay after school today. Apparently, he refused to do his reading during reading time, and also during gym time, which the teacher made him stay back from. So she called and asked to keep him after, to reinforce to him that it WILL be done and he is not getting out of it. Battle of the wills...which is why we put him in the school in the first place, because I was having those with him every single day. Then the teacher is bringing him home, since we are on her way home. I have a feeling he's going to be spending some time alone in his room.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 6:43:20 PM
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Some days don't you just wanna shake 'em til their teeth rattle?!?!?!
Yes.
So...he did his work and has no homework for the weekend. She agreed with me that he might do better having more homework on the weekend and less during the week, but that isn't the way their class is set up. If he doesn't improve in a few weeks, we'll talk about shifting some of it to the weekend, and she did not want me to stress about it in the meantime...just do what we can. Stuff that has the potential to be homework...1/2 page each of Bible, Reading, English, and Math. Shouldn't take more than an hour. That's not too bad, and he could finish some of that in school if he just did his work. She said she is expecting a lot from him because she knows he is more than capable of doing the work. It's his behavior/attitude that is getting in the way.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 7:38:59 PM
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I don't think that is his issue. I could be wrong though. Nick is such classic ADHD you can tell it from a mile away, and Noah is pretty much his exact opposite.
Those of you who have met Noah, what do you think? (I'm thinking...Lisa, Sandy, Cindy, Hazel?)
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 9:50:46 PM
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He's been a butthead like this long before the accident though. These are the same kind of things that led us to put him in school.
ETA...I mean butthead in the most affectionate way possible. Really, I do. I love the kid more than my own life. It's only sometimes I want to rattle his eyeballs. LOL
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 10:08:22 PM
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yeah, this is part of that behaviour that you wanted to send him to school to get reinforcements in dealing with. For some reason Mrs, H must have hit it "right" with him by creating an environment that made it easy for Noah to control himself. Now he is learning that not everyone is perfect with a perfect environment like Mrs. H. and he needs to flight straight anyway. The timing stinks, but it is good that this is coming out where it can be dealt with head on. Take courage because now you can deal with the attitude that has been there, but kind of lying in wait. (at least that is how I comfort myself when MY kids are acting up).
Noah does not strike me as ADHD.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/26/2008 10:45:08 PM
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I DO think he is a *very* sensitive boy, gets emotional easily
I definitely agree with this.
I have thought of looking into counseling for him, but I'm pretty sure the only place we can go with his insurance is through the county mental health. And I don't want to go there. 
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/27/2008 7:34:28 AM
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{{{Donna}}}
I picked up a book at the library the other day- Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax. It is an easy read and I highly recommend it. It covers 5 factors that affect boys- teaching methods, video games, endocrine disruptors in the environment, the devaluing of men in society, and a reliance on medications to control behavior. The chapters on teaching methods and endocrine disruptors might really help with your situation.
And if you live anywhere near Ft. Drum, I can call my son and send him over to help you out!
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/27/2008 9:07:54 AM
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Our pastor doesn't do a lot of counseling...more mentoring, but also more teenagers and older. He has been the CS basketball coach for years, and the youth pastor for years before that (way back to when I was in youth group).
Sunnymom, thanks! And yes, I live somewhat near Ft Drum...2ish hours. LOL
I was thinking about this last night. We're doing Wild at Heart for adult Sunday School, and so much in there reminds me of my boys, big and small. Always wanting adventure and risk. And well...school is not very adventuresome or risky. Noah's in the woodlots today with my dad, hauling out firewood. That's when he's happiest...when he's working with the men. He's like a man in a little boy's body still. Now I just have to figure out how to let him live long enough to grow into that man. 
Seriously though...that's one of the perks of hsing and one we talked about the other morning. If we were hsing, he could do his schoolwork and then get OUTSIDE with Grandpa and eventually Daddy again, doing man work. The schoolwork takes such a shorter time when hsing, especially if he has something motivating him like working with Grandpa. Right now, he doesn't have time to do anything like that except on Saturdays.
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/27/2008 10:23:26 AM
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Noah's in the woodlots today with my dad, hauling out firewood. That's when he's happiest...when he's working with the men. He's like a man in a little boy's body still.
Donna, maybe that's what he needs????
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/27/2008 3:37:34 PM
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Donna after having read your entire thread i have a question has your son every been evaluated for autism spectrum disorder and sensory issues?? the reason i ask is your son sounds like Nathaniel my 7 year old...
once we discovered he was on the spectrum and that he had sensory issues we were able to change some stuff with him and we saw a huge giant change in behavior issues, including tantrums, striking out, withdrawing, in ability to finish work, and by the way doing physical labor is one thing that helps my son in a big way, with his sensory issues using large muscle groups is very relaxing to him...
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RE: Jumping ship - 9/30/2008 5:36:08 PM
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PrincessDonna
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Rebekah, I am sad he's missing out on so much time with Brian now that Brian is home. Brian is here to help me with the attitude and also to be there doing man stuff with him. Today when Noah got home, he and Brian worked on the woodsplitter! What Brian can't do, he tells Noah how to do. I think he could really use some good Daddy time, so you may be onto something there.
However, I am having a hysterectomy probably the first week of November. And I don't want to bring him home unless we are sure it is the right thing for this time. Prayers would be greatly appreciated that we would hear God's voice on this.
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RE: Jumping ship - 10/2/2008 12:44:48 PM
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Praying here Donna!!
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But, he'll make a good leader one day, right? That's what I keep telling myself about ds2.
It's amazing I ever got anything done. My parents had no clue how to work with me. Now ten years after diagnosis, I am doing much better, finally. I have also been able to help my kids a lot, as I have two who appear to have the same issues.
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