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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 9/28/2007 9:38:02 PM
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inpursuit
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Well thats a good question
I think if he created them for the earth.. good chance their are ones in heaven but who knows
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 9/29/2007 1:47:46 AM
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He established a covenant with the animals when He covenanted with Noah, it seems that if God would even covenant with the beasts why would they not have a place in His Heavenly Kingdom? Gen 9:9-10.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 9/29/2007 3:00:10 PM
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moon_mouse
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Animals are instinctual.
Humans are spiritual.
Humans are also animals, in that we are not plants or minerals. We also have instinctual drives.
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What goes to heaven?
Anything God chooses, and we don't know what that is, as the verse from Ecclesiastes above states.
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Will any carnality be in heaven?
Animals by their instintual non-spiritual nature are carnal. Completely of the flesh. Seeking the flesh at all times. They do not seek anything of the Spirit.
I think you are confusing carnality with physicality, and flesh as used by Paul to mean evil or rebellious impulses with flesh meaning material or physical.
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I would not worry about missing your pet in heaven. If we will not miss our unsaved relatives and friends, I am sure we will not miss our pets.
Can you provide Scriptural support that we will not miss our unsaved relatives and friends?
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 9/29/2007 6:09:52 PM
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Animals are instinctual.
Humans are spiritual.
According to the Bible, God created animals with souls. 'nephesh chaya' is used in Genesis to describe the creation of both humans and animals.
How I feel, I hope never to be so 'spiritual' that my relationships on earth won't matter to me in heaven, including those with animals. I believe that God made us to desire and need those relationships, there's no logic to the idea that God would bless and encourage those ties here only to have them broken in heaven. Changed, yes, but not broken.
A shortened version of one of my favorite stories -
An old man died, and found himself walking down a dry dusty path with one of his favorite dogs from his past. After a joyful reunion they walked a long time, and eventually they came to a golden gate. Through the gate the man could see a beautiful city in the distance, with lush green grass and a beautiful river close by.
The man asked the gatekeeper, 'What is this place?' The gatekeeper said 'This is heaven, come on in'. The old man and his dog started in, but the gatekeeper stopped him and said 'no dogs allowed'. The old man sadly shook his head and said 'we'll just keep walking then'.
They walked for quite awhile longer, and came to a place with a dusty open field. In front of a rusty gate sat another gatekeeper. 'Can I get a drink of water for my friend here?' said the old man. 'Certainly, come on in' said the gatekeeper. 'There's a beautiful river with lush valleys and cities, just walk behind that line of trees back there.'
'What is this place?' asked the man. 'Why this is heaven, of course.' said the gatekeeper. 'But we were just down the road there, and I was told that was heaven' said the puzzled man.
'Oh, that fools a lot of people but that's really hell' said the gatekeeper. 'They get all the people that are willing to leave their best friend behind'.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/1/2007 2:48:33 PM
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TammyIsBlessed
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Can you provide Scriptural support that we will not miss our unsaved relatives and friends?
Revelation 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
I don't see how it would be possible to know about a close friend or relative being in hell, and not be in mourning.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/1/2007 5:21:44 PM
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derek_from_canada
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Does either answer to this thread's question change the way we live day to day?
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/1/2007 6:55:16 PM
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moon_mouse
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It does if you're grieving the loss of a pet.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/2/2007 3:39:41 PM
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derek_from_canada
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I would think you would grieve the same, either way, since your pet is longer your companion on this earth.
What happens other than that is in God's hands, so why worry about it? He is a just and loving God. Trust Him.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/2/2007 5:17:24 PM
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If you believe the separation is only temporary, it is easier to bear. I do trust God, thank you. And what I know of His nature gives me hope that He has provided for my pets' eternal fate in such a way that I can enjoy their presence when I am in His. If I'm wrong, I'm sure His comfort will be sufficent, but it sure does make missing my lost pets easier.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 10/2/2007 5:56:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: derek_from_canada
I would think you would grieve the same, either way, since your pet is longer your companion on this earth.
What happens other than that is in God's hands, so why worry about it? He is a just and loving God. Trust Him.
Not really. I'm not a pet person myself, so this wouldn't affect me personally. But I could understand that you would grieve differently if you knew you would see your pet again. Just like heaven gives us hope in the death of a loved one. (Well, not just like, but YKWIM  )
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/12/2008 8:46:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: AnnieO
A shortened version of one of my favorite stories -
An old man died, and found himself walking down a dry dusty path with one of his favorite dogs from his past. After a joyful reunion they walked a long time, and eventually they came to a golden gate. Through the gate the man could see a beautiful city in the distance, with lush green grass and a beautiful river close by.
The man asked the gatekeeper, 'What is this place?' The gatekeeper said 'This is heaven, come on in'. The old man and his dog started in, but the gatekeeper stopped him and said 'no dogs allowed'. The old man sadly shook his head and said 'we'll just keep walking then'.
They walked for quite awhile longer, and came to a place with a dusty open field. In front of a rusty gate sat another gatekeeper. 'Can I get a drink of water for my friend here?' said the old man. 'Certainly, come on in' said the gatekeeper. 'There's a beautiful river with lush valleys and cities, just walk behind that line of trees back there.'
'What is this place?' asked the man. 'Why this is heaven, of course.' said the gatekeeper. 'But we were just down the road there, and I was told that was heaven' said the puzzled man.
'Oh, that fools a lot of people but that's really hell' said the gatekeeper. 'They get all the people that are willing to leave their best friend behind'.
Classic "Twilight Zone" FTW! The episode "The Hunt" is one of my favorites, and is a beautiful illustration of this very story. "a man...well, he'll walk right into Hell with both eyes open. But even the Devil can't fool a dog!" 
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/12/2008 8:55:13 PM
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I'm sorry to bring this back up, but I came here looking for answers, because my mom asked me to find out, if I could. She says there's a book out there that says animals do go to heaven, but I haven't found one based on Christian principles in my searches yet. She wants to find this book for my aunt (her youngest sister), who claims to be a Christian, but is also a rabid (not just avid, rabid) animal lover--my aunt says, and I quote, "If there are no animals in heaven, then I don't want to go." My mom says she believes there will be, because why did God save them on the ark, and make them two-by-two (male and female) like He did man?
I know there is no Scripture that deals with this directly, but Mom and my aunt are demanding proof one way or the other. I agree with those who say it's not essential to salvation, and when we get to heaven and see Jesus, Fluffy and Muffin (or whoever) are gonna be the last things on our minds. So what can I say to convince them???
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/13/2008 1:25:33 AM
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God loves all of his creation. :) Remember where Christ said that not even a sparrow dies without him knowing it? I can look it up for you. I like to hope that your dog is in heaven. You could pray to God, tell him how much your dog meant to you, and ask him to have him waiting for you. Why not? God is a good God.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/13/2008 12:45:57 PM
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It says in the bible the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Have you ever hard your pet say "Jesus I Love you". No and they would never had been taught about him.
So it is from this I conclude that animals do not go to heaven. Sorry to be a pain but it is true. No one can go to heaven without beliving in Jesus.
Just to make it clear. Only humans can speak which means animals would never be able to find out about Jesus.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/15/2008 12:01:18 PM
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The bible doesn't really say one way or the other. They say animals don't have souls, so they probably don't go anywhere. However, I can't believe God would condemn us for imagining our beloved pets in a beautiful peaceful place. I've buried 3 cats in the past 17 years or so, and it was comforting to me to picture them in a "Kitty Heaven." What could be wrong with that?[color]
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/18/2008 3:32:56 PM
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"Ma'am, if when you get to Heaven you still wish to see your little dog, I am certain he will be there." (zerblig post #5)
That is a good answer.
I love steak; so for me, heaven would have a lot of cattle. But somethin' tells me I won't care about either steak or cattle when I get there.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/20/2008 12:30:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: savedbylove112
I'm sorry to bring this back up, but I came here looking for answers, because my mom asked me to find out, if I could. She says there's a book out there that says animals do go to heaven, but I haven't found one based on Christian principles in my searches yet. She wants to find this book for my aunt (her youngest sister), who claims to be a Christian, but is also a rabid (not just avid, rabid) animal lover--my aunt says, and I quote, "If there are no animals in heaven, then I don't want to go." My mom says she believes there will be, because why did God save them on the ark, and make them two-by-two (male and female) like He did man?
I know there is no Scripture that deals with this directly, but Mom and my aunt are demanding proof one way or the other. I agree with those who say it's not essential to salvation, and when we get to heaven and see Jesus, Fluffy and Muffin (or whoever) are gonna be the last things on our minds. So what can I say to convince them???
Guidepost Magazine (guidepostmag.com) has an article about whether pets go to heaven or not. There is an organization that promotes and gives scripture backing that they do.
I wish I had the article, but do not have that copy any longer.
This should help with your answer to mom and aunt.
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/20/2008 3:29:15 PM
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Ok, so 5 weeks ago my precious Golden Retriever got hit and killed by a car. My question is did he go to heaven? I have often wondered this. His death has been very hard for me as I have major trust issues and I could trust my dog, over people. So my love for him was 100 percent where with people its not. I have to save a little for me so if I get hurt i can deal with it. Through my dogs death I learned what God's unconditional love was. I relized that my dog loved me no matter what, no matter what I did or how I felt, or how moody I was he loved me completely, without limits. He was all about me, and I relize that God is like that also. He loves us without limits completely. I couldnt grasp that until my Dog died so I really need to know if hes in heaven.
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Dear Rise from the Ashes;
Animals will be on the new earth I presume, in the new heavens and new earth time coming up, and you can always ask. Since we do not know, and animals have souls, whether spirits or not I dont think so because we are created in God's image, not them, but I do know one thing, they can often be a gift, I am sorry for your loss, I realize that your pet was bringing healing into your life, and probably even sent by God to you.
This is not meant to be sacriligeous, (O LORD pardon me) but meant to be a ministry to you, it has a message in it, did you know that dog is GOD spelled backwards? The faithfulness and unconditional acceptance that you experienced were a directly divine message to you, I believe.
The scriptures say that the whole of creation speaks of HIM, and your pet did in personal redeeming ways to you.
"with GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE TO HIM WHO BELIEVES" I would
apply this here, since GOD is your heavenly Father, your Creator and He wants you to happy, ASK him for your pet to go to heaven. Since He is God and has not given us His Word on this, perhaps He is undecided on this as yet, and because of You He may decide that from now on, for example, all loved pets of those who ask me are immediately translated here upon their physical demise.
I know I asked for my angel dog to be sent there. I am believing to see him when I go.
Angel dog, because he was an angel to me, and we do not know if it is possible that because of this scripture,
"ANGELS- SENT TO MINISTER TO AND FOR THOSE WHO INHERIT SALVATION" whether even furry pets can possible be real angels in disguise sometimes.
messengers sent to minister to, and for those who inherit ....salvation...
....please dont anyone freak  when you read this  [image][/image][image][/image]
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/20/2008 6:35:01 PM
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I'm sorry to bring this back up, but I came here looking for answers, because my mom asked me to find out, if I could. She says there's a book out there that says animals do go to heaven, but I haven't found one based on Christian principles in my searches yet. She wants to find this book for my aunt (her youngest sister), who claims to be a Christian, but is also a rabid (not just avid, rabid) animal lover--my aunt says, and I quote, "If there are no animals in heaven, then I don't want to go." My mom says she believes there will be, because why did God save them on the ark, and make them two-by-two (male and female) like He did man?
I believe the book "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn makes the case for animals in heaven (or at least discusses the issue). I stopped reading it a few years ago and didn't get to that chapter (personal stuff that was going on at that time, not anything to do with the book itself), so I can't tell you the author's ideas for sure, but that might have been the book your mom had in mind.
Edited to add: Also, C. S. Lewis talks about the possibility of animals in heaven in "The Problem of Pain."
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RE: Do Animals go to heaven - 7/24/2008 12:04:06 PM
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I'm sorry to bring this back up, but I came here looking for answers, because my mom asked me to find out, if I could. She says there's a book out there that says animals do go to heaven, but I haven't found one based on Christian principles in my searches yet. She wants to find this book for my aunt (her youngest sister), who claims to be a Christian, but is also a rabid (not just avid, rabid) animal lover--my aunt says, and I quote, "If there are no animals in heaven, then I don't want to go." My mom says she believes there will be, because why did God save them on the ark, and make them two-by-two (male and female) like He did man?
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Savedbylove,
Jack Van Eppy has written such a book.....filled with Scripture to back up his thoughts.
You might check out his web site.
Below is my own findings:
ANIMALS
1 Cor. 15: 39 All flesh is not the same flesh,
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of animals,
another of fish,
and another of birds.
Ec. 3:19 For what happens to the sons of man also happens to animals;
one thing befalls them; as one dies, so does the other.
Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals,
for all is vanity.
Animals were changed to carnal beings when man was.
Gen 3. 1. Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which
the Lord God had made.
(Is it possible that the animals could commune with Adam?
It seems no surprise to Eve that the snake talked to her.
This suggests that Life, was quite different then, than
what we know of it now)
Gen 9 8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying:
9. And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and
with your descendants after you,:
10. "and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle,
and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark,
every beast of the earth.
11. "Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be
cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to
destroy the earth."
12. And God said: "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me
and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual
generations
13. "I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant
between Me and the earth.
14. "It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be
seen in the cloud.
15. "AND I WILL REMEMBER MY CONVENANT WHICH IS BETWEEN ME AND YOU
AND EVERY LIVING CREATURE OF ALL FLESH,
the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Luke 3:4. as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying:
"The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.
5. Every valley shall be filled and every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough ways smooth;
6. AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD."
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to
every creature
All of creation knows and waits:
*Rom 8:19 For the earliest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for
the revealing of the sons of God.
20. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly,
but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
21. because THE CREATION ITSELF ALSO WILL BE DELIVERED
FROM THE BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS
LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
22. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors
with birth pangs together until now.
These are a few.....and I hope they are encouraging......
.God is in His dwelling place, and all is well.
God cares enough for us to give us these and other verses to help our understanding.
Be at peace!
BJ
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