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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 11:14:17 AM
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TheosCentric
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Ever wonder where our tax dollars go?
U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)
Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000
Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200
Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000
Grand Total
$84,854,827,200
Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel
Grand Total
$84,854,827,200
Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000
Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200
Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 2:07:09 PM
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TheosCentric
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Wasn't sure if to put this in my Iran thread or in this one...
Iranian President Warns Israel Against Attacking Lebanon, Repeats Nuke Stance
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's hard-line president warned Israel on Thursday that other nations in the region would take action against the Jewish state if it attacked Lebanon in the summer.
Although there has been discussion among Israeli experts about the possibility of another war against the Lebanon's Hezbollah guerillas, Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz and other officials have denied plans for such a conflict. A war between the two sides last summer ended in a U.N.-brokered cease-fire.
Israeli troops are in the midst of an offensive against the Palestinian Hamas faction in response to rocket attacks on Israeli border towns, arresting more than 30 senior members of Islamic militant group in the West Bank early Thursday.
"If you think that by bombing and assassinating Palestinian leaders you are preparing ground for new attacks on Lebanon in the summer, I am telling you that you are seriously wrong," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a rally in the city of Isfahan.
"If this year you repeat the same mistake of the last year, the ocean of nations of the region will get angry and will cut the root of the Zionist regime from its stem," added Ahmadinejad, speaking live on state television.
After last year's disaster in Lebanon, I would think that Israel would think twice.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 2:20:30 PM
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Stephanos
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And if Iran attacks Israel, I pray our leaders whipe Iran off of the face of the map!
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 2:33:35 PM
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TheosCentric
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What if Israel attacked unprovoked?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 2:41:31 PM
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Stephanos
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In YOUR eyes, nothing that Hamas, or Hezbolah or any other Islamic group does will EVER be enough to justify a responce from Israel. So there is no point in arguing with you on this point. Jordan and Egypt could roll tanks into the West bank and Gaza, and that would be perfectly fine in your eyes. Hamas and Hezbolah could fire hundreds of rockets and shells a our for days nonstop at a time into israel and that would be perfectly fine in your eyes. Islamic groups could say they intend on whiping Israel off the map, then start sending homicide bombers and solders into Israel and THAT would not be enough for you either would it? Because here is a news flash, that LAST one has allready happened.
Your refusal to see that it has happend shows that you have a unrealisitcly high standard for Israel to live by, one that will lead to their distuction if they would follow it.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 2:58:53 PM
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Hamas and Hezbolah could fire hundreds of rockets and shells a our for days nonstop at a time into israel and that would be perfectly fine in your eyes. Islamic groups could say they intend on whiping Israel off the map, then start sending homicide bombers and solders into Israel and THAT would not be enough for you either would it?
I think this is all scheduled for the day after tomorrow.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:03:17 PM
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TheosCentric
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
In YOUR eyes, nothing that Hamas, or Hezbolah or any other Islamic group does will EVER be enough to justify a responce from Israel. So there is no point in arguing with you on this point. Jordan and Egypt could roll tanks into the West bank and Gaza, and that would be perfectly fine in your eyes. Hamas and Hezbolah could fire hundreds of rockets and shells a our for days nonstop at a time into israel and that would be perfectly fine in your eyes. Islamic groups could say they intend on whiping Israel off the map, then start sending homicide bombers and solders into Israel and THAT would not be enough for you either would it? Because here is a news flash, that LAST one has allready happened.
You don't know me or what I think, so this response is not really justified. I don't think Hamas and Hezbollah or any other group firing rockets into Israel is justified. I also don't think Israel tearing Lebanon apart last summer was justified either. I have, and will always, maintain that both sides are at fault. The problem is, most American Christians, see no fault whatsoever with Israel. They do no wrong. They can wipe out the entire gov't of the P.A., take over the offices, destroy all Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and move in, and it would perfectly justified. That is wrong thinking. Besides, Jordan and Egypt both have treaties with Israel, but I suppose you should know that, right? Apparently, it doesn't matter because they're Muslim countries and we all know that Muslims are liars.
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Your refusal to see that it has happend shows that you have a unrealisitcly high standard for Israel to live by, one that will lead to their distuction if they would follow it.
Israel has said that they would pull settlers out of the West Bank. They have not done so. Instead they have started annexing parts of the West Bank. They want Hamas to abide by International standards to recognize Israel, but they refuse themselves to abide by International standards to withdraw to pre-1967 borders. Who has the high standards here? Have you ever tried to see the conflict through the Palestinian street kids' eyes?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:07:49 PM
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Have you ever tried to see the conflict through the Palestinian street kids' eyes?
Have you tried to see it though the eyes of a mother who lost her children and husband simply because they deided to go eat at a street cafe one day?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:14:33 PM
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Have you ever tried to see the conflict through the Palestinian street kids' eyes?
Have you tried to see it though the eyes of a mother who lost her children and husband simply because they deided to go eat at a street cafe one day?
Like I said, it works both ways. How often does that really happen in Israel?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:17:12 PM
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Stephanos
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Everytime a muslim lunitic straps a bomb to the belly and walks into a area where lots of infidel jews are gathered. How about every time a peice of garbage sets up a rocket platform and launches a few shells into Israeli lands?
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:32:29 PM
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Israel has said that they would pull settlers out of the West Bank. They have not done so. Israel pulled the settleres out of Gaza on the promise that the PA could stop the rockets. That didn't happen, did it? THEN the deal was to be that the West Bank would be treated the same. It is clear what fell through and just who it was who fell through. (Hint: it wasn't the Israelis.)
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:35:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos
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Have you ever tried to see the conflict through the Palestinian street kids' eyes?
Have you tried to see it though the eyes of a mother who lost her children and husband simply because they deided to go eat at a street cafe one day?
Like I said, it works both ways. How often does that really happen in Israel?
The rockets have been raining down daily in the western Negev for many months now.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:51:37 PM
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Calling human beings "garbage" is hardly conducive to any argument and represents a hateful heart.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:56:48 PM
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Someone who blows themselves up or diliberatly targets civilians with rockets because they hate their religion, is a peice of garbage...PERIOD!!!
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 3:59:45 PM
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For your information, it has nothing to do with the Jews religion. It has to do with the Israeli occupation. Isn't it nice to know that someone in another part of the world probably thinks of you and me as pieces of garbage too? I was not aware that we were to think of them the same way. I wonder if Jesus would have thought of them as a piece of garbage.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:02:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1
Iranian President Warns Israel Against Attacking Lebanon, Repeats Nuke Stance
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's hard-line president warned Israel on Thursday that other nations in the region would take action against the Jewish state if it attacked Lebanon in the summer.
Although there has been discussion among Israeli experts about the possibility of another war against the Lebanon's Hezbollah guerillas, Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz and other officials have denied plans for such a conflict. A war between the two sides last summer ended in a U.N.-brokered cease-fire.
Israeli troops are in the midst of an offensive against the Palestinian Hamas faction in response to rocket attacks on Israeli border towns, arresting more than 30 senior members of Islamic militant group in the West Bank early Thursday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275159,00.html
See Post #54. I already posted this. 
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:04:05 PM
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Stephanos
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ORIGINAL: ccoppenbarger
For your information, it has nothing to do with the Jews religion. It has to do with the Israeli occupation. Isn't it nice to know that someone in another part of the world probably thinks of you and me as pieces of garbage too? I was not aware that we were to think of them the same way. I wonder if Jesus would have thought of them as a piece of garbage.
So in your mind are these homicide bombings and rocket launchings justified and perfectly fine because of occupation?
And I think Jesus would hate murders BTW...Anyone that does not believe in Him is going to hell. Thus anyone who dies in murdering someone and believes they are doing it for the glory of Islam, IS GOING TO ROT IN HELL! And frankly good riddance.
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RE: Israel in the News - 5/24/2007 4:08:52 PM
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Christ was perfect we are human...
Yes, but we are called to be like Christ, not to call human beings "garbage". There's no justification for doing so.
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