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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/17/2007 3:53:15 PM
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I don't know what TD believes, as I said I don't think he actually believes anything. I do know what he has taught, though,
That is an excellent observation. I never looked at Jakes and other false teachers that way.
I've read that Jakes will adjust his theology to fit his audience. He'll appear more Oneness when speaking to a group of Oneness believers, etc.
That's scary. I doubt that God would be too thrilled with someone that doesn't have solid, core doctrinal beliefs.
But then again it shouldn't surprise me. Most "blab it and grab it" teachers will say whatever itching ears want to hear and whatever will guarantee them a new Lexus or new $2,000 suit
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/17/2007 4:17:31 PM
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I've read that Jakes will adjust his theology to fit his audience. He'll appear more Oneness when speaking to a group of Oneness believers, etc.
Good observation and the action was predicted by Paul;
(2Ti 4:3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
There is way to much compramising of the Gospel to scratch the hearers itch in many fronts of ministry.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/6/2007 8:06:23 PM
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This thread needs a resurrection. It's a shame Jakes won't repent and leave the Word of Faith circle and see his error in the most absolute core essential doctrinal point which is the nature of God.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/6/2007 9:20:58 PM
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I don't know much about what T.D. Jakes believes, and have never listened to him that much, but I will chime in on the "oneness" doctrine. My grandmother was of that persuasion, and I have known several people pretty well who espoused those beliefs. I am definitely Trinitarian and don't have any problem with understanding it for myself. I do know that it is confusing to listen to a "oneness" person explain their views. The thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread is the fact that the "oneness" churches also believe that one must be baptized in water to be saved. and that must be done in the name of "Jesus only". In fact, these churches used to be referred to as "Jesus Only". A very good friend of mine who was "oneness" and with whom I had some lengthy discussions stated to me with no uncertainty, that he believed one must be baptized in the name of Jesus only to be saved. This comes perilously close to the definition af a cult.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/6/2007 9:31:44 PM
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Many doctrinally sound Pentecostal denominations hold Oneness Pentecostals to be heretical in their views. One of which being the one you rightly mentioned. They believe that if you were not baptized in the name of Jesus only, then you are dead in your sin.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/7/2007 12:38:21 PM
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ok i read some posts so what he basically believes is God the father was in the OT, Jesus was NT and Holy Spirit is now? That doesn't really match up with scripture does it?
No, it most certainly does not. See some of the threads I'm going to link to later in this post for details on just how much that view conflicts with scripture.
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I am confused. I am an AOG member, I think we believe God is made up of 3 persons, they each have their own part to play etc but they are all God together, they are not separate. So does TD Jakes not believe that?
Quite frankly, I don't know that Jakes actually believes anything. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, and distorts scripture so badly, it's hard for me to believe that he is actually convinced of the words that are coming out of his mouth. It's his willingness to say whatever pleases men that allows him to straddle the gap between "oneness" and trinitarian doctrine, while still being thoroughly heretical in his teachings.
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The last time I checked out his website, it didn't say that. In fact, folks complained that it was evasive. Apparently it has changed.
The website changed several times, altering wording, Bible references, adding and removing whole sections... all in the course of a few weeks during previous discussions on Jake's doctrine. I imagine it changes quite a bit to suit whatever group that Jakes is currently pandering to.
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Basically the trinitarians believe that God is composed of three (Father,Son and Holy Spirit)each separate and eternal"Beings" that make up one God.Three strands making one rope if you will.
PLEASE, do not try and talk about what trinitarian doctrine teaches if you don't actually know what it teaches. Trinitarians believe that there is one Being of God, the Son is one Being with the Father. They are different persons, but one being. They are also not seperate, they are distinct, but they are also in unity (tri + unity = trinity).
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Confused as to where one description is closer than the other?I sure am.I have attended many many churches in my life and personally I find that a finite mind has trouble grasping the concept of an Infinite God and that the differences folks have in this area are not such an obstacle that it should separate us.
Actually, they should be differences that should separate us, because trinitarian doctrine is what scripture teaches, and modalistic doctrine is contradictory to scripture. Just because human minds cannot grasp the entirety of God's nature, does not mean that God hasn't told us anything about Himself. God has told us about His nature, in scripture, and He has revealed that He is triune. This is definite in scripture, and "oneness" doctrine contradicts scripture over and over again. This is not a question of what man can reason on His own, but it is a question of what scripture declares to be true.
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When discussing doctrine with my fellows the question I find most most important is Do you believe that God...sent His Only Begotten Son...
There, right there, is one of the biggest problems of modalism. "Oneness" doctrine does not believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of GOD, not the way that the Bible talks about sonship and being begotten. "Oneness" believes that Jesus Christ is begotten of humanity but, because they reject the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ, they reject that He is begotten of God.
Here are some threads where trinitarian doctrine is already being discussed, please read them and relieve your ignorance:
The most recent is in Theology -> God: What is the Trinity?
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/What_is_the_Trinity/m_2260049/tm.htm
This thread deals most pointedly with Christ's eternal Sonship, as well as debunking the "oneness" stance.
In the same folder:
Is Jesus the SON only or is he the Father and the Holy Spirit too?
Help: What is the problem people have with The Trinity?
Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostalism.
Jesus & God-- 1 person or two?? Help!
question about the trinity.
And in Theology -> Christian Doctrine:
Trinity vs. Oneness Penecostalism vs.Modalism
Trinity?
In Theology -> The Bible
Acknowledgement of the Trinity
In Theology -> Salvation issues:
Trinity ?
(This one actually addresses the issue of belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation.)
As you can see there are many many threads already on trinitarian doctrine (more than I've listed, in fact, those are just the most relevant). Please take discussion of what trinitarian doctrine is to those threads. This thread should be about TD Jakes, his doctrine, and how his doctrine conflicts with Christian doctrine (please read the Terms of Service, Range of Doctrine and Statement of Faith if you're confused on what is agreed upon as Christian doctrine on this site.)
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I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
This is what Bishop Jakes believe:
I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
Is this oneness?
You have no solid proof or ground to call this man a false teacher... He is not a faith teacher or prosperity teacher, which I do believe is necessary to the Body of Christ.... He more into Christian living and self help. He focus on emotional healing and deliverance. He give the congregation what they need and Not what they want. He is a man of wisdom and he impart godly wisdom in his teaching. He not only a minister of the Gospel, he also a business, he run businesses, TV ministry and pastors. The Word tell us to judge by the fruit.... He have many good health fruits.
To call someone a false teacher or heresy based different interpretation of the Bible in completely wrong, will be judged by God himself. Most Christians don't believe or accept the Apostle and Prophet for today, although Jesus gave these gifts to the Church, and don't believe in the Gifts of the Holt Spirit, I don't call them false even though their doctrine is off. Manydon't allow the power of God to operate in their church, just one dry semon after another. Do I call then false teachers or heresy? NO
False teachers point you away from Jesus and not to Jesus.
No one is an hundred percent right... we all are off on something, and it don't make us false teachers. Bishop Jake point people to Christ and reach out to the homeless; needly and those in prison.
I think these thread are motivated by ignorant, jealousy and hatred, just my opinion. There too many real false teachers and prophets out there, but discussed on this board except for RC and a few other.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/7/2007 2:51:21 PM
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This is what Bishop Jakes believe:
I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
Is this oneness?
It is not trinitarian doctrine, that's for sure.
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You have no solid proof or ground to call this man a false teacher...
Yes, I do, and I have already quoted it. Here it is again:
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T.D. Jakes said in this article:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/108/13.0.html
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The language in the doctrinal statement of our ministry that refers to the Trinity of the Godhead as "manifestations" does not derive from modalism. The Apostle Paul himself used this term referring to the Godhead in 1 Timothy 3:15, 1 Corinthians 12:7, and 1 John 3:5-8. Peter also used the term in 1 Peter 1:20. Can this word now be heresy when it is a direct quote from the Pauline epistles and used elsewhere in the New Testament?
Shall we look at those verses?
1 Timothy 3:16
16By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.
1 Cor 12:7
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 John 3:8
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 Peter 1:20
20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Not even one of these passages is talking about God manisfesting Himself as Father, Son or Holy Spirit. Three speak of the Son becoming manifest (revealed) in the flesh, and one talks about the Holy Spirit manifesting as gifts in the believers life. At the very least this is very very bad understanding of scripture, but I suspect it is much worse than that. I think this shows that T. D. Jakes has a fundamentally flawed understanding of the nature of God. In any case, these verses do NOT support the use of the word "manifestation" to describe the persons of the Godhead. Jakes asked "How can it be heresy if it is a direct quote?" The answer is that it is not a direct quote, it is a complete misunderstanding of what is being said in those passages. A misunderstanding that defies logic, grammar and, most importantly, denies the eternal nature of the Son!
That proves that Jakes is a false teacher.
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To call someone a false teacher or heresy based different interpretation of the Bible in completely wrong, will be judged by God himself.
That is completely and utterly contrary to the teachings of scripture. Christians are called to examine the scriptures and show when false teaching is going on!
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False teachers point you away from Jesus and not to Jesus.
T.D. Jakes is NOT pointing people to the Jesus Christ of scripture. Jakes is teaching a "jesus christ" who is not eternally the Son of God, and that means He is preaching a false christ.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/7/2007 2:55:47 PM
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I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
He doesn't believe they are co-existant, co-equal, and co-eternal.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/7/2007 3:26:21 PM
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I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
He doesn't believe they are co-existant, co-equal, and co-eternal.
And there right there is the difference. And what a difference it is.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/8/2007 8:24:35 AM
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I took this from the AOG australia website,
I would be careful when looking to the AoG in Austrailia. The superintendent there is Brian Houston from Hills Church. He is on record as supporting WoF teaching and has aligned himself with C Peter Wagner and the NAR (Latter Rain Movement)
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/25/2007 2:16:44 AM
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Okay what the word "persons" and "manifestations"???
Person is a person, like a human~Now Jesus did come in our fleshly body, He wrapped Himself in it, but God is Spirit (not a person) and Holy Spirit is Spirit (not a person). Jesus is the Word in heaven. So wouldn't it be better to say manifestation or something else besides "persons"? Please explain this using the Greek format of the New Testament and use the words that they used, which was probably not "persons".
By the way I am not advocating for Jakes, I just want to know what's the deal with the difference in wording. Thank you
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The usage of the word "persons" to describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit indicates trinitarian doctrine, though it is missing the word "eternally" before "exists" as is common phrasing. However, another page on the AOG in Australia website (the one on Key Values -> Love God) says this: "He is one God, eternally existing in three persons. We may find it difficult to explain or define the trinity, but there are many things we know about God because he has chosen to reveal Himself to us in the Bible." So this group is definitely trinitarian.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 8/25/2007 5:10:09 PM
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The usage of the word "persons" to describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit indicates trinitarian doctrine, though it is missing the word "eternally" before "exists" as is common phrasing. However, another page on the AOG in Australia website (the one on Key Values -> Love God) says this: "He is one God, eternally existing in three persons. We may find it difficult to explain or define the trinity, but there are many things we know about God because he has chosen to reveal Himself to us in the Bible." So this group is definitely trinitarian.
Okay what the word "persons" and "manifestations"???
Person is a person, like a human~Now Jesus did come in our fleshly body, He wrapped Himself in it, but God is Spirit (not a person) and Holy Spirit is Spirit (not a person). Jesus is the Word in heaven. So wouldn't it be better to say manifestation or something else besides "persons"? Please explain this using the Greek format of the New Testament and use the words that they used, which was probably not "persons".
By the way I am not advocating for Jakes, I just want to know what's the deal with the difference in wording. Thank you
I've already explained by manifestation is absolutely not the word that should be used of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. These three are not manifestations of God. Each is eternal and they are who they are. The Son is not merely how God appeared to humanity, the Son really is the son of His Father. Regardless of what word should be used, it can be definitively said that manifestation is certainly not correct.
Also, your definition of person is wrong. Person is not flesh. Person, as defined by the dictionary is, among other things: "a self-conscious or rational being", "the actual self or individual personality of a human being", "an individual of distinction or importance", "The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self." While none of these are the exactly the same as the theological usage of the word person in regards to the trinity, they do serve to show that the word "person" is not simply a reference to the human body. A person, even a human person, is more than their body. The persons of the Godhead are indeed self-conscious and rational, though they are one being, not beings. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct and important, and they are actual selves.
The word person in relation to trinitarian doctrine is used because it has been established as the standard. How it came to be the preferred word is a complicated process, that I haven't had a chance to fully study. It does stem from the Latin word "personae" which means a character in a play, but this likely stems not from the idea of a role, but from the Greek "prosopon" which means face. In a Greek play, a character is identified by the mask they wear, their face. So the usage of the word person in relation to the Godhead is talking about the identities of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. While the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, and each are distinct from each other, at times, in scripture, they are none-the-less one God.
These words are not used in scripture directly relating to the concept they represent in trinitarian doctrine. However, that is not a problem as many would like to claim it is. The word "benediction" is not found in scripture, either. It's a Latin word that literally means "good speech", it stems from the concept of a blessing. A benediction is prayer, usually a closing blessing, and quite a few of them are found in scripture. Even when such a closing prayer doesn't use the word blessing, it can still be a benediction. So, despite the lack of the word benediction in scripture, and the lack of certain passages being explicitly labeled as benedictions, there is none-the-less the concept of benediction to be found in scripture. The same applies to the word person in relation to trinitarian doctrine. Just because scripture doesn't have a single passage that says "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are persons" in that exact wording, does not mean that the Bible doesn't reveal things about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit that definitively reveal them to be what has come to be known as persons.
If you would like to know what verses reveal various things about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and just how much scripture shows us bout God's triune nature, there are a number of threads already going on the subject.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 1/7/2008 5:16:49 PM
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A top of this thread is needed for those that may not be aware of Jake's heretical beliefs.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 1/17/2008 11:44:20 AM
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T.D. Jakes is now outright promoting New Age practices:
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T.D. Jakes article on Washington Post addresses Yoga
The famous pastor quotes Lighthouse Trails as saying "Christian leaders are embracing practices and a new spirituality that borrows from Eastern mysticism and New Age philosophy" but Jakes says yoga is OK if intent is right.
On April 16, 2007, Lighthouse Trails Research received a phone call from a student at Harvard University who was doing research on yoga being taught in the public schools. The student told us about a Washington Post article that quoted Lighthouse Trails. We later learned that the article on the Washington Post website was written by the popular pastor T. D. Jakes.
Jakes (named the "Most Influential Christian" in 2006) is pastor of the mega-church Potter's House in Dallas, Texas. The Washington Post article titled "Know What to Try and Why" addresses the growing topic of Christians practicing yoga. Jakes quotes Lighthouse Trails as saying that certain Christian leaders are:
... embracing practices and a new spirituality that borrows from Eastern mysticism and New Age philosophy.
He lists Rick Warren, Brian McLaren, Richard Foster, Tony Campolo, and Eugene Peterson as some whom we say are doing this. However, it is unsure why and ironic that Jakes has quoted Lighthouse Trails because then he turns around and condones Christians utilizing eastern practices.
Jakes quoted an article we wrote titled "Evangelical Leaders Promote New Age and Eastern Spiritual Practices" Interestingly, in his own article, Jakes rightly acknowledges Rick Warren's promotion of eastern mysticism:
In Warren's Purpose-Driven Life, he does encourage people to practice "breath prayers" by repeating words and phrases over and over in a mantra-style prayer, a practice that is similar to that found in Hindu yoga and Zen Buddhism."
But Jakes seems to advocate Rick Warren's position by stating:
In many cases yoga can be viewed as a quiet place where we individually meditate on God's word and who that God is.
Jakes justifies doing this by saying:
I believe at the core of the debate is what your intentions are when one practices the exercises of yoga or when you meditate.
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Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. (I Timothy 4:1)
For the whole piece: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=618&more=1&c=1
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 1/18/2008 4:44:32 PM
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Is it true the Bishop Jakes is wearing a earring now?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 1/21/2008 8:45:40 AM
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Thanks earthless!
I forwarded a copy of that article to my youth leaders. They are bringing over 70 kids to the NYC Battle Cry event where Jakes is the featured speaker.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 1/21/2008 9:28:13 AM
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Thanks earthless!
I forwarded a copy of that article to my youth leaders. They are bringing over 70 kids to the NYC Battle Cry event where Jakes is the featured speaker.
It's a sad time. Shame on the leaders for taking youth to hear a man that is a false teacher. All under the banner of a church sponsored/sanctioned event. Goodness.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 5/24/2008 1:11:10 PM
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TD Jakes, a false teacher?
Absolutely!
For all the members of the Potter's House, you have been deceived. TD Jakes is an amazing speaker. I have heard him. He is inspirational, powerful, extraordinary, entertaining and WRONG.
Bishop TD Jakes preaches 90% Gospel with 10% falsehood making him 100% wrong. The 90% Gospel makes his followers think they are hearing the truth when they are not. Anytime you want an in depth analysis of one of his sermons, I would be glad to do it for you.
More than anything, Bishop TD Jakes is guilty of elevating himself above Jesus in almost every way. He states, in one of the sermons on the Potter's House website, that many ministries have been destroyed by a preacher's ego.(Paraphrased because I am lazy today).
Let me begin with TD Jakes public face. It is not brother TD Jakes, or pastor TD Jakes, or any other humble title. It is BISHOP TD jakes and "FIRST LADY" for his wife. If you go to the Potter's House website and do a search on "Jesus" you will get 23 hits. If you do a search on the Potter's House website on "TD Jakes" you will get 125 hits!
TD Jakes lives a lucrative wealthy lifestyle. Do I have a problem with wealth? Absolutely not. With wealth comes responsibility. Heck, Jacob of the Old Testament was wealthy. But... Paul said that we should be conformed to be like Christ and a pastor should have an image above reproach. I cannot see how TD Jakes manifests either of these.
If Jesus is our heavenly priest, how does he rank with a BISHOP?
There is a saying, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck."
Appearances, appearances, appearances. Does this tell me the person's heart? Does this tell me if he is a false preacher? Absolutely not. But.... it creates a question mark in my mind.
Let me cut a small part of one of his video sermons on the Potter's House website. TD Jakes, speaks of John the Baptist as an extraordinary man. He implies that John the Baptist had a powerful presence of his own. This is absolutely wrong. Perhaps John the Baptist was a spectacle in the way he dressed, the place he lived, and the food he ate, but, it was the Word of God he preached which inspired people. It was God's word which had power and presence. It was not John the Baptist at all.
From the same sermon. "Behold the Lamb of God". When Satan says we are not good enough, we say, "behold the lamb of God". This was brought forth by TD Jakes as a statement of power to make us feel good about our selves as son's of God. Well, that is mostly true. The real truth is that when we fall. When we stumble, we should feel humble and not proud. We should be repentant and not apathetic. Yes, when Satan tells us we are not good enough, we can say, "I have no sin as I am a new creature in Christ." When we stumble as we do so often, we can feel free to immediately stand in the righteousness of Christ, brush ourselves off in repentance, and proclaim, "behold the lamb of God" to move forward..... FOR THE WORK OF GOD!!!! How often has Satan made you feel unworthy to do the work of God because you are less than perfect? Well, in Christ's death and resurrection, you are perfect, without blame in God's eyes. Once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are freed from the penalty of sin... forever!!!
This is the truth. Now that you are free, will you choose to prosper on earth as TD Jakes preaches, or will you do as Jesus said and lay up your treasure in heaven where it is safe from moths, rust, and thieves? The truth is that any real prosperity is an eternal prosperity and not simply a few trinkets on this earth that have no meaning when our bodies fail and we sleep in Christ. Earthly wealth is not a sign of God's favor but the contrary. People have wealth for two reasons. The first is because the choose an earthly reward over an eternal reward. The second reason is that they have been good stewards and God has entrusted them with more in order to do his work.
Gosh... I could go on forever. Test everything against scripture. 90% truth and 10% lies are 100% destructive.
Randy
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 9/2/2008 9:45:15 AM
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Said by TD Jakes: implying that Ruth and Naomi were lesbians?
“Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.”
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 9/2/2008 1:08:56 PM
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I'd like to hear the whole message in all due fairness to Jakes. Don't say I support him but I've seen quotes taken out of context. You wouldn't happen to know from series or from what sermon this is preached from?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 9/2/2008 1:53:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: rrackov
TD Jakes, a false teacher?
Absolutely!
For all the members of the Potter's House, you have been deceived. TD Jakes is an amazing speaker. I have heard him. He is inspirational, powerful, extraordinary, entertaining and WRONG.
Randy,
Great post, thanks for sharing. Some points I want to comment on regarding it..
The points about TD Jakes being financially wealthy and possessor of many nice earthly things doesn't really bother me.
The points about TD Jakes having a large ego doesn't really bother me, God has a habit of working those things out for those are truly His children.
The main clincher in the entire TD Jakes discussion is that he denies God's revealed nature in Scripture. He denies the Trinity, Jakes is a Oneness Pentecostal and thus is preaching a Jesus that does not exist. A false Jesus that is the King of Kings.
The second part of this clincher is that he preaches classic Word of Faith 'Give to Get' Gospel, which again, is a false gospel and leads to many problems.
Just wanted to quickly add those points to the current discussion.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 9/4/2008 3:40:03 PM
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how is it he denies the Trinity?
I have heard him speak but never did I hear him deny the Trinity...or is it how he is presenting it? explain please
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 9/4/2008 3:56:47 PM
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how is it he denies the Trinity?
I have heard him speak but never did I hear him deny the Trinity...or is it how he is presenting it? explain please
Please read the thread...
The first page covers your questions.
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