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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 10:31:36 AM
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It just seems a little incredible to me that a rock that could survive going through the atmoshphere could just vaporize.
You're thinking too small and too slow. For a small meteorite, the effects of air resistance are significant in slowing it down or vaporizing it altogether. By the time it hits earth (if it does), it doesn't have much energy left. But for a meteor with a diameter measured in miles travelling tens of thousands of miles an hour, the atmosphere doesn't have as strong an effect. It's estimated that the object which caused the Chicxulub crater off the Yucatan peninsula (and theorized to have played a part in killing off the dinosaurs) was 6 miles across and released the equivelant of 100 teratons of TNT. That's 2 million times more powerful than the Tsar Bomba, the largest bomb ever created and 5 billion times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
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Have they tried experiments to see if that's even possible?
What happens when you fire a lead bullet into a concrete wall? It disintegrates. Yes, they can measure the physical properties of meteors and determine what will happen to them when a certain amount of energy is applied.
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I'm wondering if there's another explanation other than meteorites, such as volcanos or something.
As with other phenomena, meteorites and volcanoes leave behind certain signatures that allow scientists to differentiate between the two. For example, shocked quartz has only been found in meteor craters and nuclear explosion test sites - volcanoes don't produce the pressures necessary to create shocked quartz. IIRC, there are also some telltale signs of a meteor impact with respect to the way the sediments outside the crater are deposited as well as the permanent deformations made upon the struck bedrock.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:02:52 AM
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I'm wondering if there's another explanation other than meteorites, such as volcanos or something.
There are tell tale signs that distinguish a meteorite impact from say, volcanoes. Aside from a visible crater, geologists look for rocks that have been affected by the high heat and pressure of the impact. For example, shocked/fractured minerals like shocked quartz. They also look for high levels of iridium, which are rare on Earth and tektites which are formed from impacts.
This website explains very briefly what sort of stuff they look for:
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Meteorite fragments are typically found at the smallest craters and they are quickly destroyed in the terrestrial environment. For impact events on Earth that form craters larger than approximately 1 km across, the pressures and temperatures produced upon impact are sufficient to completely melt and even vaporize the impacting body and some of the target rocks, though a small fraction of the impactor can locally be preserved for even the largest impacts. The peak pressure produced by the impact of a stony (chondritic) body into a common terrestrial rock, such as granite, at 25 km per second (a reasonable impact velocity for an asteroidal impact on the Earth) is 900 GPa or 9 million times atmospheric pressure. In such cases, the recognition of a characteristic suite of rock and mineral deformations, termed "shock metamorphism", which are uniquely produced by extreme shock pressures, is indicative of an impact origin. Examples of shock effects include conical fractures known as shatter cones, microscopic deformation features in minerals, particularly the development of so-called planar deformation features in silicate minerals such as quartz, the occurrence of various glasses and high pressure minerals, and rocks melted by the intense heat of impact.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:14:50 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, scutus. A rock blowing up makes a lot more sense than turning to vapor.
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One might ask the question - why did God not inspire Moses to write of these events? Our calculations tell us that the Flood, by comparison, would have been a picnic compared to the havoc wreaked on Earth by meteorites, let alone all the other events. He wrote of many other occasions when God helped the people, but none nearly as dramatic as these events would have required.
Just a guess, but maybe it wasn't theologically important? I mean, the continents dividing would have been huge, too, but there's no mention of that either, except as a brief explanation of why a baby was named Peleg.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:32:30 AM
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Just a guess, but maybe it wasn't theologically important? I mean, the continents dividing would have been huge, too, but there's no mention of that either, except as a brief explanation of why a baby was named Peleg. Then why would you interpret Genesis as a historical account when it's clear that theology is the most important message? Creationists treat Genesis as some scientific textbook, but their increasingly ham-fisted interpretations make a mockery of the Bible because they are reading things into the text that are not there and never were there. Great literalists they are.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:39:47 AM
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The creation of the world is very theologically important. Most of our theology rests heavily on Genesis. If Genesis were not literal, much of our theology would not have any ground to stand on.
But this thread is about meteorites.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:50:34 AM
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The creation of the world is very theologically important. Most of our theology rests heavily on Genesis. If Genesis were not literal, much of our theology would not have any ground to stand on. Theological messages can be just as true whether they are factual or not. Jesus' parables didn't happen, but you're not going to dismiss them.
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But this thread is about meteorites. Indeed it's been 7 pages of nothing but asteroids and other disasters. Very little creationist interaction.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/16/2008 11:55:57 AM
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I'm not going to debate that in this thread, since it would be off-topic, but if you want to start another thread I'll reply to you there. I've started enough threads of my own lately.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/17/2008 5:02:49 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, scutus. A rock blowing up makes a lot more sense than turning to vapor.
Cool. OK so we have established that:
* The meteorites did indeed hit Earth
* Scientific experiment tells us the impact they would likely have had
* If they'd all hit the Earth at once they would certainly have wiped out all life on Earth
So getting right back to the OP:
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How do you explain meteorite impacts? There are over 150 major impact sites found on Earth, all or most of them dated by geologists to be much, much older than 6000 years. So if the Earth is only 6000 years old, then all 150 major meteorite impacts must have happened since the creation of the world. The combined impacts are powerful enough to destroy all or most multicellular life on Earth. So how did life survive?
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/17/2008 8:13:07 AM
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Cool. OK so we have established that:
* The meteorites did indeed hit Earth
* Scientific experiment tells us the impact they would likely have had
* If they'd all hit the Earth at once they would certainly have wiped out all life on Earth
We have established? I just said that a rock blowing up makes more sense than a rock vaporizing. That doesn't mean that I've agreed with everything you've said. God's perfectly capable of taking care of His people.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/17/2008 5:44:20 PM
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Cool. OK so we have established that:
* The meteorites did indeed hit Earth
* Scientific experiment tells us the impact they would likely have had
* If they'd all hit the Earth at once they would certainly have wiped out all life on Earth
We have established? I just said that a rock blowing up makes more sense than a rock vaporizing. That doesn't mean that I've agreed with everything you've said. God's perfectly capable of taking care of His people.
But with respect, you're not answering the OP, except to say that God looked after the people during the storm.
It's perfectly reasonable to believe that God gave a helping hand in all processes, but it makes it impossible to involve science in the explanation.
It's another example of why I cannot understand why many YECs try to use science to back up the young Earth claim. When it becomes obvious that nature cannot support a young Earth, they then say well God helped it along. Which is fine - but now it's a matter of faith, not observable evidence. So why bring science into it?
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/18/2008 10:12:33 AM
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God created nature. Nature is always in subjection to God.
I have never seen any so-called evidence that has shaken my faith in God. You see, when you believe in a big God, nothing is impossible. If I believe in a God who created the entire universe with a spoken word, created humans from dust and breathed life into them, destroyed the entire world with a flood but saved just enough people and animals to start over again, then what's a few meteorites? God's not up there scratching His head going, "Oh, dear, I don't know what to do about that!" And I trust Him. I trust Him with everything in me. He's a big God. He doesn't need me to stick up for him--He's capable of explaning Himself.
I think it's great that people like AiG have done so much research on the subject. I find it fascinating to read their articles. That is their calling and their passion, and I believe that are correct. Call them silly if you want--I feel the same way about evolutionist theories. I don't think there's a single argument evolutions can bring up that Creation scientists haven't through. You're not going to stump them. I might not have an answer for every question you can ask, but if you want to know, ask them.
I do not feel that the study of creation science is my calling. I just trust in God's word. I'm glad that there are those who feel called to that. Since it's not my calling, that's why I normally don't spend much time in this folder. Since I'm moderating in this folder now, I spend more time here now and get sucked into discussions more, but I'm probably not going to participate in science discussions as much as I have this last week. All I can do is link to AiG, since I'm not a scientist myself, and you all can't stand AiG.
I didn't link to AiG in this thread, anyway, since I know someone else did early on. I didn't read the whole thread anyway, just since I started moderating here.
So I guess that's my answer to the OP. Read about the YEC position over at AiG if you want, other than that, my God is a big God.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/18/2008 2:14:56 PM
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God created nature. Nature is always in subjection to God.
I have never seen any so-called evidence that has shaken my faith in God. You see, when you believe in a big God, nothing is impossible. If I believe in a God who created the entire universe with a spoken word, created humans from dust and breathed life into them, destroyed the entire world with a flood but saved just enough people and animals to start over again, then what's a few meteorites? God's not up there scratching His head going, "Oh, dear, I don't know what to do about that!" And I trust Him. I trust Him with everything in me. He's a big God. He doesn't need me to stick up for him--He's capable of explaning Himself.
I think it's great that people like AiG have done so much research on the subject. I find it fascinating to read their articles. That is their calling and their passion, and I believe that are correct. Call them silly if you want--I feel the same way about evolutionist theories. I don't think there's a single argument evolutions can bring up that Creation scientists haven't through. You're not going to stump them. I might not have an answer for every question you can ask, but if you want to know, ask them.
Have you even read the rebuttals, or do you just relegate them to "Godless" propaganda?
I do not feel that the study of creation science is my calling. I just trust in God's word. I'm glad that there are those who feel called to that. Since it's not my calling, that's why I normally don't spend much time in this folder. Since I'm moderating in this folder now, I spend more time here now and get sucked into discussions more, but I'm probably not going to participate in science discussions as much as I have this last week. All I can do is link to AiG, since I'm not a scientist myself, and you all can't stand AiG.
Because what they do isn't science. Whenever something can't be explained, they claim God did it supernaturally. Without any Scriptural support.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/18/2008 6:18:13 PM
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God created nature. Nature is always in subjection to God.
I have never seen any so-called evidence that has shaken my faith in God. You see, when you believe in a big God, nothing is impossible. If I believe in a God who created the entire universe with a spoken word, created humans from dust and breathed life into them, destroyed the entire world with a flood but saved just enough people and animals to start over again, then what's a few meteorites? God's not up there scratching His head going, "Oh, dear, I don't know what to do about that!" And I trust Him. I trust Him with everything in me. He's a big God. He doesn't need me to stick up for him--He's capable of explaning Himself.
Sure--I've got no problem with a faith-based position. But it' a faith-based position. So can't be confirmed with science. There is nothing wrong with this, so why on Earth try to back it up with science?
The point of this topic, is that the collective effect of the meteorites we know hit Earth, would have been even more catastrophic than the purported global flood. (Let alone all the other meteorites we are pretty sure also hit Earth, but which hit the oceans so are harder to identify.)
There are two possible answers to this problem:
1 the meteorites hit Earth over a very long period, since they could not possibly have hit the Earth within the very short time frame from the Flood to human-written history, without wiping out all life on Earth.
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2 God made the Earth look like this happened, but either a) it didn't happen and he's pulling our leg, or b) it did happen but God did something to help life survive it and saw fit not to tell us about this.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with people believing 2b but it is not a position that can be backed up by science.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/18/2008 7:12:30 PM
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Sure--I've got no problem with a faith-based position. But it' a faith-based position. So can't be confirmed with science. There is nothing wrong with this, so why on Earth try to back it up with science?
A faith-based position can't always be backed up with evidence, but many times it can. For example, a miracle such as the burning bush might be hard to find evidence of, but the destruction of Jericho, with all the walls fallen down outwards can be discovered by archeologists years later.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/19/2008 3:03:12 AM
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God created nature. Nature is always in subjection to God.
I have never seen any so-called evidence that has shaken my faith in God. You see, when you believe in a big God, nothing is impossible. If I believe in a God who created the entire universe with a spoken word, created humans from dust and breathed life into them, destroyed the entire world with a flood but saved just enough people and animals to start over again, then what's a few meteorites? God's not up there scratching His head going, "Oh, dear, I don't know what to do about that!" And I trust Him. I trust Him with everything in me. He's a big God. He doesn't need me to stick up for him--He's capable of explaning Himself.
Sure--I've got no problem with a faith-based position. But it' a faith-based position. So can't be confirmed with science. There is nothing wrong with this, so why on Earth try to back it up with science?
The point of this topic, is that the collective effect of the meteorites we know hit Earth, would have been even more catastrophic than the purported global flood. (Let alone all the other meteorites we are pretty sure also hit Earth, but which hit the oceans so are harder to identify.)
There are two possible answers to this problem:
1 the meteorites hit Earth over a very long period, since they could not possibly have hit the Earth within the very short time frame from the Flood to human-written history, without wiping out all life on Earth.
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2 God made the Earth look like this happened, but either a) it didn't happen and he's pulling our leg, or b) it did happen but God did something to help life survive it and saw fit not to tell us about this.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with people believing 2b but it is not a position that can be backed up by science.
Regards, Ian
I agree 100%. I have no problem with people saying: "I oppose evolution, because it is against my beliefs." Fine. You can believe pretty much anything you want.
But how many times have we seen creationists trying to back up thier position with what they call science? This thread shows that they can't support thier claims with scientific evidence and NOT ignore other scientific evidence.
The evidence is there. It does not support thier position. Pretending that it does may make them feel better, and thats great. But when they attempt to force others to partake in thier make believe (that thier position is supported by science to be specific), I have to label it as dishonest, and speak out.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/20/2008 8:37:51 AM
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There are two possible answers to this problem:
1 the meteorites hit Earth over a very long period, since they could not possibly have hit the Earth within the very short time frame from the Flood to human-written history, without wiping out all life on Earth.
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2 God made the Earth look like this happened, but either a) it didn't happen and he's pulling our leg, or b) it did happen but God did something to help life survive it and saw fit not to tell us about this.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with people believing 2b but it is not a position that can be backed up by science.
Regards, Ian
Maybe the meteorite craters are meant to test our faith. Because only the true Believers will not fall for the lies of science and its evil world views.
Maybe the meteorites were the source of heat for evaporating all the global flood water out into space.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/20/2008 9:14:45 PM
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There are two possible answers to this problem:
1 the meteorites hit Earth over a very long period, since they could not possibly have hit the Earth within the very short time frame from the Flood to human-written history, without wiping out all life on Earth.
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2 God made the Earth look like this happened, but either a) it didn't happen and he's pulling our leg, or b) it did happen but God did something to help life survive it and saw fit not to tell us about this.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with people believing 2b but it is not a position that can be backed up by science.
Regards, Ian
Maybe the meteorite craters are meant to test our faith. Because only the true Believers will not fall for the lies of science and its evil world views.
Maybe the meteorites were the source of heat for evaporating all the global flood water out into space.
first time yec poster here from Canada. Though I would try out this forum.
The impacts from spacerocks must fit between the fall and now. Since many of the holes are filled with rock formations from the flood year then many impacts must be pre-flood.
The boble, perhaps, hints at this my its talk of a war between the angels and satan. I believe the great Dr Morris suggested this as an option.
The bible also says a third of the stars fell to earth. Perhaps this means indeed the stars etc were destroyed in the universal war with some earth taking some hits. or they fell to our planet but were swatted, in the fight, aside with only remnants impacting. Those seen or destroyed later by the moving continents during the flood.
It does seem the planet was needlessly dinosaur dominated etc and perhaps the difficult aftereffects from these impacts allowed dinos to survive better then other creatures.
Since the bible is true about origins then impacts must easily fit within timelines here and it does.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/25/2008 2:01:48 AM
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There are two possible answers to this problem:
1 the meteorites hit Earth over a very long period, since they could not possibly have hit the Earth within the very short time frame from the Flood to human-written history, without wiping out all life on Earth.
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2 God made the Earth look like this happened, but either a) it didn't happen and he's pulling our leg, or b) it did happen but God did something to help life survive it and saw fit not to tell us about this.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with people believing 2b but it is not a position that can be backed up by science.
Regards, Ian
Maybe the meteorite craters are meant to test our faith. Because only the true Believers will not fall for the lies of science and its evil world views.
Maybe the meteorites were the source of heat for evaporating all the global flood water out into space.
first time yec poster here from Canada. Though I would try out this forum.
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The impacts from spacerocks must fit between the fall and now. Since many of the holes are filled with rock formations from the flood year then many impacts must be pre-flood.
Could you provide me with examples of 'holes filled by the flood'?
How do you know they were filled by a flood?
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The boble, perhaps, hints at this my its talk of a war between the angels and satan. I believe the great Dr Morris suggested this as an option.
The bible also says a third of the stars fell to earth. Perhaps this means indeed the stars etc were destroyed in the universal war with some earth taking some hits. or they fell to our planet but were swatted, in the fight, aside with only remnants impacting. Those seen or destroyed later by the moving continents during the flood.
This is possible. However, the OP specifically asks how any life survived this. Do you have an answer?
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It does seem the planet was needlessly dinosaur dominated etc and perhaps the difficult aftereffects from these impacts allowed dinos to survive better then other creatures.
Since the bible is true about origins then impacts must easily fit within timelines here and it does.
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If you base this answer on faith alone, thats just fine. I think any evolution supporter would agree. As long as you are not claiming that you have scientific evidence for creationism no one should have any problems.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/25/2008 10:55:13 PM
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It is common creationist models to see sedimentary rock as from the flood year. So if a impact hole is filled in we can date it as pre-flood.
Since it possibly was from a cosmic war the impacts may not be like the ones that would hit today. Perhaps they were constrained in their punch by the defense of Michael the angel and company. Indeed since the purpose would be for Satan to destroy the earth then the protection of life on earth was a priority. So the impacts would hit but be reduced in punch.
I would also offer the idea that possibly there was a lot of disaster on earth which allowed certain kinds of creatures to later dominate. perhaps dinosaurs etc could live better on a roughed up planet then other creatures which would of retreated to more obscure areas on earth.
The strangeness of the origin of the impacts can explain also any criticisms of the results of the impacts coming at once.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/25/2008 11:53:37 PM
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Oh come on guys! This is just sad! Who can explain how life survived all those meteorite impacts in the last 6000 years?
Don't you think God is a little bigger than a meteorite and the universe that HE created. I mean he stopped the sun for Joshua, and by all science that we have it would absolutely destroy all life on the planet. God can overstep the bounds of physics when he deems it necessary.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/26/2008 7:37:40 AM
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It is common creationist models to see sedimentary rock as from the flood year. So if a impact hole is filled in we can date it as pre-flood.
Since it possibly was from a cosmic war the impacts may not be like the ones that would hit today. Perhaps they were constrained in their punch by the defense of Michael the angel and company. Indeed since the purpose would be for Satan to destroy the earth then the protection of life on earth was a priority. So the impacts would hit but be reduced in punch.
I would also offer the idea that possibly there was a lot of disaster on earth which allowed certain kinds of creatures to later dominate. perhaps dinosaurs etc could live better on a roughed up planet then other creatures which would of retreated to more obscure areas on earth.
The strangeness of the origin of the impacts can explain also any criticisms of the results of the impacts coming at once.
Actually, the Chicxulub (sp?) crater in Mexico is thought to have been caused by the impact that killed off the dinosaurs.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/26/2008 10:58:47 AM
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/29/2008 6:08:06 PM
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For those of you who think the world is geologically young e.g. <6000 years.
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So how do YECs explain all this mass devastation? How did life and more importantly, man survive the repeated impacts of a hundred and fifty major asteroids that released hundreds to tens of millions of megatons?
I don't know if anyone brought it up previously in this thread, but there is also the Moon. Clearly it is absolutely covered in craters of various sizes. But we have rarely (if ever) seen a major impact on the moon.
So the moon may be even more problematic to YEC than the Earth, with respect to meterites. If all of this activity took place during a short Flood period, the moon would probably still be molten, and the earth would long be pelted with material, and there might even be a Saturn-like ring around the earth, and/or a detectable debris field in an earth-like orbit.
(I confess fstdt tipped me off to this idea.)
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 8/31/2008 1:21:17 PM
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Wouldn't they be able to measure the moon dust in the craters and see if there is more or less of it than on the rest of the moon? I would think that if there was a uniform layer all across the surface, even over the craters, it would mean that the craters were there very close to the beginning of the moon.
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RE: Meteorite Impacts - 9/4/2008 3:49:18 PM
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Seems like the uniformitarians are getting really excited about this topic. I don't have any information to rain on the parade but I'm gonna try to understand this argument.
1. There are "x" holes in the ground that are all demonstrably meteorite impacts
2. Meteors release "y" energy times the size of the meteor "z".
3. "x" meteor impacts of size "z" times "y" energy would release a total of "A" energy.
4. "A" energy over a 6000ish year period would cook the earth and all life on it.
I suppose this is the argument?
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