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Matthew 1:25
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
The implication here is that he did know her after Jesus was born.
Matthew 12:46-49
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Here there is a distinction being made between mother and brethren as opposed to the general population and even His disciples. The context is clear that these were His blood realations.
Matthew 13:55-56
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
The people in His home town are offended because of their familiarity with Jesus and His family. Again the context clearly indicates blood realations.
John 2:12
12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.
Now if the term "brethren" just referred to close friends etc, then surely the disciples would have been the ones to be referred to as such, yet they never are.
John 7:3-5
3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
Acts 1:13-14
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Again a distinction between the Apostles and the brethren of Jesus.
Galatians 1:19
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
This is the same brother the people in His home town named in Matthew 13:55. No other Apostle is ever referred to as the Lord's brother
Hi, I'm new here, but I chose this very old post because it has many of the objections to Mary's perpetual virginity I'd like to respond to.
I have reviewed much of the thread and the fact that the word "until", whether in the Bible or current use, does not imply subsequent events has been, I believe, firmly established, though all may not agree
As far as the distinction between Jesus' mother and brethren and his disciples, it would make sense that his mother would be with his "brethren," as she would travel with her relatives, probably her cousins, nephews or nieces. We know that she had one "kinswoman," Elizabeth Lk 1:36. That the Bible is silent on other relatives of Mary does not mean they did not exist.
As far as those in his home town, the reference may imply blood relatives, or it may not. If so, they are not necessarily children of Mary.
There is an inconsistency between the distinction drawn between the Apostles in the upper room and the brethren of Jesus. The next text cited, Galatians 1:19. Galatians 1, beginning with verse 18, Paul is speaking. 18"Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days. 19But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother. 20(In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!)"
Okay, if James was an apostle and the Lord's brother, let's take a closer look at the apostles. Matthew 10:2 - 4 lists the apostles: "the names of the twelve apostles are these..." Of the twelve men chosen by Jesus, two were named James; James the son of Zebedee (Mt 10:2) and James the son of Alpheus (Mt 10:3).
So there is no apostle named James who is the "brother of the Lord" AND the son of Mary. If this is indeed the same "brother" named in Matthew 13:55 and he is not, as I have just shown from Scripture, a son of Mary, then "Joseph and Simon and Judas," are just as doubtful as sons of Mary, even though in the restrictions of the language, they are referred to as "brethren of the Lord," also. 
As a final note, we Catholics have never atempted to lift Mary to the level of our Lord, or to lower Him to her level. Rather, we merely point to the last words accorded to her in the Bible: "Do whatever He tells you."
Shouldn't we always?
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