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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 6:25:25 PM
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sdaw
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Sounds like your suggesting that once one tastes and sees that the LORD is good; one finds themselves in a place where they may desire to, may choose to, but don't have to "taste" again. Yet you believe one must come to Christ....sounds like a calvin-spin off.
I agree that our feasting is done in spirit, as it should have been clear thus far.
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So you believe this passage from Hebrews, which testifies that it is speaking about ancient practices, was really, or directly relates to what Christ taught?
As well, maybe I missed an earlier post. You believe that one feasts on Christ, yet during the time, that one partakes of the Eucharist, you believe that one suspends feasting, because one is participating in a physical act, with physical bread and wine? Did you share logic to this...or have I misunderstood your position?
**side note** do you believe worshipers of God, feasted on Christ PRIOR to say...3 A.D.?
Dear Facedown,
Not in spirit, but of the Spirit as we receive the Body and Blood, Sould and Divinity of Christ.
On the Feast of St. John of Constantinople
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints!
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 6:32:20 PM
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I'm having trouble following this thread, so I just wanted to ask: If a person took the Eucharist (wine and bread) to a scientific lab, would it test positive as human flesh and blood?
Why or why not?
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 7:22:22 PM
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Dear facedown:
"Sounds like your suggesting that once one tastes and sees that the LORD is good; one finds themselves in a place where they may desire to, may choose to, but don't have to "taste" again. Yet you believe one must come to Christ....sounds like a calvin-spin off.
I agree that our feasting is done in spirit, as it should have been clear thus far."
Me: Bless you.
Dear brother, I am sorry it sounded to you like a calvin spin off.
What is clear that I have not found in his word, is his 'actual body' being created, transformed, manufactured or concecrated into man-made breads by an earthly priest.
Imho-the word directs us ''actually to God'', who gives us the true bread from heaven.
The word does not teach us that someone else can.
Nor have I found in the word and from Jesus that his actual body is made into an image that a man can transform and concecrate.
To taste him who lives in me by grace, I must go to him in Spirit and in truth.
For that is where God is, and in me by faith.
And this intimate relationship dwells in the fullness of Christ in each believer, according to God's word.
Like the deer that pants for the water
so my soul thirsts for Christ.
I am forever grateful that God made me alive with Christ,
and to share in his suffering.
"On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, 'If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.'
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive."
Dear brother, grace and peace to you
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 8:07:08 PM
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No, they would not test as body and blood.
The Catholic understanding comes from two philosophical principles, mainly Metaphysics, that there is a distinct difference between the 1.) Accidents and 2.) the Substance.
The accidents are all that one can observe about an object: atomic structure, sight, taste, smell, etc.
The Substance is what the reason for a substance's existence is.
Before the consecration and after the consecration the "accidents" remain the same, but, by a miracle, the substance is changed. Put this way, if somehow there was no sacrifice of Christ, the body and blood would simply disappear because they would have no reason for existence. However, because of the ONE sacrifice of Christ, presented again on the altar, the bread and wine change their substance to the Body and Blood of Christ, and thus continue to exist.
Well that was very, hmm... (looking for a word), metaphysical.
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 8:14:59 PM
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Before the consecration and after the consecration the "accidents" remain the same, but, by a miracle, the substance is changed.
Okay....so according to that line of thinking, if the "substance" (the REASON) stays the same, does it really matter if the Eucharist actually BECOMES (at some point) the body and blood?
Isn't it the REASON you take them what is MOST important????
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 8:24:53 PM
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DeborahL,
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Dear Michael:
You: If I'm not mistaken, DeborahL was quoting portions of Hebrews earlier in an effort to discredit the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist.
Me: Michael I will not discredit God's word. I am sorry you took offense.
Thank you for quoting me directly, Deborah. If you notice, I did not assert that you "discredit God's word;" I asserted that you "discredit the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist." If you believe "the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist" equates to "God's word," then I suppose you have a few issues to work through in order to reconcile your beliefs with those of the Catholic Church regarding the Eucharist. BTW, you can rest assured I never take offense at what you have to say, Deborah.
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Christ is the true bread in us.
Not what man, as in earthly priests to concecrate, or can create, transform or manufacture AS his true bread his "actual body".
Of course, just as I've always tried to tell you.
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We cannot make an IMAGE of our GOD-who IS our true bread: BY faith.
If we do we violate his command.
Our God comes to us in many ways, Deborah. In fact, He comes to us now by His Grace, and His Grace is found everywhere; i.e., in nature, in Scripture, in others, and mainly in the Sacraments He instituted. If you believe our God can be found in something so material as a printed bible, why do you find it so hard to believe He also comes to us through other tangible materials? If Christ wanted to avoid confusion on this point, why do you believe He took bread, gave thanks, broke it, gave it to His disciples, and said, "Take and eat; THIS IS MY BODY?" Was He kidding? Joke's on the Apostles? Read the synoptic Gospels, Deborah. They provide context for St. Paul's epistles.
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I'll stand with my LORD, the true bread from heaven, and what he has sacrificed once and for all, to be with me.
That's wonderful, Deborah. I know you love the Lord, but He loves a whole lot of other folks, too. Agree?
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I'll stand with my LORD and his word-no matter how unpopular it is. For, I fear my God. And he simply said he and the Father will give us the true bread of "heaven".
And Our Lord Jesus Christ also simply said, "Do this in memory of me," to the disciples at table with Him on the night He was betrayed. These were the men He commissioned to teach, preach, and baptise....and "Do THIS." How did the early Christian Church respond? They "devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers. [Acts 2:42] Forget the reference to "the prayers" [which indicates a Liturgical form of worship], what about devoting themselves to the "breaking of the bread?" How often do non-Catholic Christian communities "devote themselves" to the "breaking of the bread?" Once a month? Once a quarter? Once a year? When "Pastor Bob" feels like it? When another couple comes over the house for bible study? By what authority do non-Catholic Christians "do this" whenever it's convenient minus apostolic succession? I suppose if it's a merely symbolic gesture, it doesn't much matter if there is any authority present to actually "do this" anyway. Never mind.
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You: She continues to assert that the spiritual aspect of the Eucharist necessarily equates to a symbolic mere "remembrance." She has also continued to label the Catholic celebration of the Eucharist with words like "man-made" and such.
Me: Bless you: I will stand firm in his word.
There is no teaching to create, transform nor manufacture a wafer in his actual body. This is false. His real body is testified in the Spirit and it is life, for us, by faith.
[Naturally, since I'm quoting DeborahL's quote of me, the "you"s and "me"s are mixed up. Pretty sure it will be obvious to the discerning.]
You should be happy to know, Deborah, that Catholic Christians also stand firm in his word and there is no teaching to "create, transform nor manufacture a wafer in his actual body." You're right..."this is false," and I wish you would stop pontificating and actually listen to what we're saying for a change.
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You: I would like to direct the attention of participants to Hebrews 8:3:
Now every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus the necessity for this one also to have something to offer.
If Christ is not eternally offering His one-time Sacrifice for our sake, He has no right to the title, "High Priest."
Me: Christ offered his body to the Spirit once and for all time. In the fullnessof God's time this was accomplished for us-in this present age.
AND he was unblemished =pure. Other priest had to purify themselves as well as the people-REPEATEDLY-but not this one, for all time. The new covenant has come and the old has passed away.
I recall discussing this point with you previously, Deborah. Christ did not abolish the Old Covenant, He fulfilled it. [See Scripture]
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You: It is His High Priesthood, manifested by His Eternal offering of His Sacrifice of Himself, which makes our celebration of the Eucharist efficacious when it is celebrated in communion with those He commissioned to "Do this."
Me: He is efficacious right now by faith IN FULLNESS> there is no man made altar nor curatain--HE as the new covenant established: a new and living way by his blood. Offered to the Eteranl Spirit. We eat on his bread and blood 24/7 in fullness by his Spirit by faith.
According to Scripture, faith without works is dead and even the demons believe and tremble. I disagree about the "IN FULLNESS" part, though not what you had to say about "man made altar nor curtain." Thankfully, "man made altars" and "curtains" have nothing to do with anything being discussed in this thread. Christ Himself instituted the Sacrament of the Eucharist. BTW, I have noticed you posting several times lately about Christ offering Himself to "the Eternal Spirit." What exactly do you mean by "the Eternal Spirit," DeborahL? Where do you find this in Scripture? Just curious.
I've heard the rest of your thoughts before. Not meaning to be rude by my lack of response to the rest of your post, but my time is limited and it appears I would be guilty of redundancy if I did.
Any thoughts to offer about Hebrews 8:3?
Peace,
Michael
< Message edited by onelordofall -- 4/27/2005 8:36:00 PM >
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 8:58:42 PM
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onelordofall
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Greetings, Ms. O,
I hope you don't mind my responding to your question.
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ORIGINAL: son_of_angels
Before the consecration and after the consecration the "accidents" remain the same, but, by a miracle, the substance is changed.
Okay....so according to that line of thinking, if the "substance" (the REASON) stays the same, does it really matter if the Eucharist actually BECOMES (at some point) the body and blood?
I don't recall anyone equating the "Substance" of the Eucharist with "the reason" as you did, but perhaps I can shed just a bit of light in understanding the Catholic Eucharist, God helping me.
First of all, it boils down to the efficacy of Christ's Sacrifice for us on the Cross and His uniting His Sacrifice with the Eucharist by way of celebrating the Jewish Passover with His disciples in the Upper Room on the night He was betrayed. He fulfilled [brought to fullness] the Passover [of the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world] as Victim and High Priest in the offering of Himself to the Father for our sake on the Cross, agree?
According to John 6, our Lord thought it important to expound on the necessity of "eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood." He went on to say His Flesh and Bood are "real food and drink." Why would the Good Shepherd risk losing so many sheep over a simple misunderstanding if He were merely symbolically speaking of "feeding on the word," or such?
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Isn't it the REASON you take them what is MOST important????
It is because the Eucharist is Christ; i.e., Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, Who abides with us as we do in Him, that makes the Catholic celebration of His Sacrament so "important." Who could possibly stay away from such an intimate communion with their Lord?
Hope this helps a bit.
Peace in Christ,
Michael
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 9:05:54 PM
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onelordofall
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BTW, Ms. O.,
There have been many Eucharistic miracles authenticated by the scientific community.
Perhaps you would be interested in researching the scientific tests done on the relics of the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy. The Catholic Church has never been afraid to investigate miraculous events using modern scientific advances.
Please let me know if you cannot find a reference. I'd be happy to point you in the right direction.
You see, Ms. O, sometimes our God continues to use signs and wonders to bring the doubting back to the fullness of faith, just as our Lord did for Thomas. Such amazing Grace!
Peace of Christ,
Michael
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 9:43:02 PM
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I don't recall anyone equating the "Substance" of the Eucharist with "the reason" as you did, but perhaps I can shed just a bit of light in understanding the Catholic Eucharist, God helping me.
Thanks for your post, Michael. Son_of_angels in post #79 said "The Substance is what the reason for a substance's existence is" and that is what I was responding to. If the reason the substance exists is to partake in Christ's life and death, to become one with Him in Spirit, then that's what's most important to me, not whether a little wafer and a cup of wine actually become flesh and blood. I hope that doesn't offend you, it's just what I believe.
I also wanted to point out that John 6, immediately following the verses you mentioned and speaking about the same thing, also says "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." It sounds contradictatory to the earlier verses, but that's just our limited understanding. But the REASON to participate in the act is still the same! LIFE with Christ!
Also, the Eucharist isn't only a Catholic practice.....most, if not all, Christians also celebrate the Lord's supper. I know I do and have for over 40 years! It is an incredibly important and intimate time with the Lord for me as well.
I'm really not sure what your references to miracles was as I don't recall mentioning miracles, but I believe in them too!
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 9:56:28 PM
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Dear Ms. O.,
I must be off soon, but one quick reply to one point you brought up...
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I also wanted to point out that John 6, immediately following the verses you mentioned and speaking about the same thing, also says "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." It sounds contradictatory to the earlier verses, but that's just our limited understanding. But the REASON to participate in the act is still the same! LIFE with Christ!
With all due respect, Ms. O, our Lord's flesh counted for EVERYTHING for us, no? Could we be redeemed without It? I really cannot believe He was speaking of the efficacy of His own Flesh, here.
As an aside, during the years I've spent engaging non-Catholic Christians in discussions of faith, I've noticed a tendency [on their part] toward equating "spiritual" with "symbolic." There is such a thing as a Mystical Reality, which, though certainly "spiritual" in some aspects, is not merely "symbolic." Make sense?
Something to consider.
Peace in Christ,
Michael
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 10:10:01 PM
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Dear Ms. O.,
I must be off soon, but one quick reply to one point you brought up...
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I also wanted to point out that John 6, immediately following the verses you mentioned and speaking about the same thing, also says "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." It sounds contradictatory to the earlier verses, but that's just our limited understanding. But the REASON to participate in the act is still the same! LIFE with Christ!
With all due respect, Ms. O, our Lord's flesh counted for EVERYTHING for us, no? Could we be redeemed without It? I really cannot believe He was speaking of the efficacy of His own Flesh, here.
Then what do you think He was speaking of?
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 10:55:54 PM
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Dear Michael:
You: Deborah. If you notice, I did not assert that you "discredit God's word;" I asserted that you "discredit the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist."
Me: I assert his word.
Simply, if we disagree, because of RC teaching.
You: If you believe "the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist" equates to "God's word,"
Me: Imho-you know I do not, because of his word. {see previous posts herein}
You: then I suppose you have a few issues to work through in order to reconcile your beliefs with those of the Catholic Church regarding the Eucharist.
Me: It does sound rather wierd: but very important to me in the spirit:
Ask Jesus where he mentioned the Eucharist in light of his gospel and his true bread and where he is,
in light of his death and resurrection?
And what God tells us the Father and the Son give us. For the Son has God's seal of approval.
You: BTW, you can rest assured I never take offense at what you have to say, Deborah.
Me:
Thank you, ..for your dear love.
Grace and Peace
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/27/2005 11:08:13 PM
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Hello again, Ms. O,
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Then what do you think He was speaking of?
Did you read my response that you quoted? No comment?
He certainly was not speaking of His own Sacred Flesh profiting "nothing," agree? [Yes again I'm asking you if you think Christ's Flesh profits nothing. I'd appreciate a response if you're up to it.]
To answer your question, He was speaking of the "fleshly" interpretation of those who heard His words and walked away from Him and the Greatest Mystical Reality left to us [generations hence] to truly experience His promise to be with us to the end of the age, even though He was dead and alive forevermore.
He meant that those in His audience who heard and "followed Him no more" were thinking just as carnally as those who accused the Christians of the first century of "cannibalism." Come to think of it, I've heard that charge launched against Catholic participants here, in the 21st century. Not bad to be charged with the same unfounded charges launched against the earliest Christian martyrs! Naturally, I am unworthy of sharing in the unfounded accusations endured by them with such perseverence! I'm a wimp by nature. 
I would greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts, Ms. O, rather than a series of more questions. Perhaps you are willing to engage in discussion?
Good night and God bless,
Michael
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 12:03:37 AM
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Dear DeborahL,
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ORIGINAL: DeborahL
Dear Michael:
You: Deborah. If you notice, I did not assert that you "discredit God's word;" I asserted that you "discredit the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist."
Me: I assert his word.
Simply, if we disagree, because of RC teaching.
Thank you for admitting that you simply disagree because of "RC teaching." I take that to mean you will never consider anything a faithful Catholic Christian has to say if it contradicts your own personal theology. No matter how much biblical evidence any Catholic Christian draws to your attention, you will ignore it "because of RC teaching." How sad.
You are in my prayers, DeborahL. Good night.
Michael
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 7:11:54 AM
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Dear Michael:
You had said: : Deborah. If you notice, I did not assert that you "discredit God's word;" I asserted that you "discredit the Catholic Church's understanding of the Eucharist."
Then I replied: : I assert his word.
Simply, if we disagree, because of RC teaching.
You said: Thankyou for admitting that you simply disagree because of "RC teaching."
Me: I am sorry I offended you.
I was assuming that you were.
You: I take that to mean you will never consider anything a faithful Catholic Christian has to say if it contradicts your own personal theology.
Me: Dear brother, the word is very precious to me. AS well as a person.
You: No matter how much biblical evidence any Catholic Christian draws to your attention, you will ignore it "because of RC teaching." How sad.
Me: I grew up RC.
And I have RC friends.
You: You are in my prayers, DeborahL. Good night
Me: Bless you.
Grace and Peace to you dear brother
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 8:20:17 AM
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onelordofall,
I am RC and I appreciate your understanding and your explaination of our faith. I hope that those who have mis-understandings of our faith will read your posts and maybe change their minds. God Bless.
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 8:22:06 AM
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Deborah:
So you believe this passage from Hebrews, which testifies that it is speaking about ancient practices, was really, or directly relates to what Christ taught?
As well, maybe I missed an earlier post. You believe that one feasts on Christ, yet during the time, that one partakes of the Eucharist, you believe that one suspends feasting, because one is participating in a physical act, with physical bread and wine? Did you share logic to this...or have I misunderstood your position?
**side note** do you believe worshipers of God, feasted on Christ PRIOR to say...3 A.D.?
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 8:56:25 AM
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Dear Facedown:
"So you believe this passage from Hebrews, which testifies that it is speaking about ancient practices, was really, or directly relates to what Christ taught?
As well, maybe I missed an earlier post. You believe that one feasts on Christ, yet during the time, that one partakes of the Eucharist, you believe that one suspends feasting, because one is participating in a physical act, with physical bread and wine? Did you share logic to this...or have I misunderstood your position?"
Dear Brother,
Imho, the OT practices that were instituted because of God's law, did not state nor teach to eat the actual flesh and blood of God:
"When Christ came as high priest of the good thinkgs that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"
Grace and Peace to you
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 9:46:52 AM
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Well, I guess, that was a "yes"....
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As well, maybe I missed an earlier post. You believe that one feasts on Christ, yet during the time, that one partakes of the Eucharist, you believe that one suspends feasting, because one is participating in a physical act, with physical bread and wine? Did you share logic to this...or have I misunderstood your position?
**side note** do you believe worshipers of God, feasted on Christ PRIOR to say...3 A.D.?
Thoughts?
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 10:37:06 AM
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Hello. I do not believe this is specifically a practice by RC only. I was raised Anglican and though when I became born-again I left the Anglican church, All the Pentecostal/Evangelical Churches I attended practice this. I am back to attending the Anglican church and it is still practiced there as well.
I have no problems with communion/Eucharist.
I may be a tid bit concerned about some other practices by the RC but this is not on that list.
I see nothing wrong with the Eucharist and see it as obeying the instructions of Jesus.
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 11:21:08 AM
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Dear Facedown:
I have responded to your post a number of times.
My thoughts were expressed from what Jesus has told us from his precious word.
I am sorry, this is unacceptable.
Jesus said: "'For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me
will live because of me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven.
Your forefathers are manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.'"
"Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, 'Does this offend you?
What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
"'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him'"
"Jesus said, 'I am with you for only a short time, and then I go to the one who sent me.
You will look for me, but you will not find me; and where I am, you cannot come.'"
"What did he mean when he said, 'You will look for me, but you will not find me, and where I am, you cannot come? One the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, 'If anyone is thirsty let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.'
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive."
Grace and Peace
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 5:08:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: onelordofall
Did you read my response that you quoted? No comment?
He certainly was not speaking of His own Sacred Flesh profiting "nothing," agree? [Yes again I'm asking you if you think Christ's Flesh profits nothing. I'd appreciate a response if you're up to it.]
Hi onelordofall,
Yes, I read your comment; but *I'm* not the one who said "the flesh counts for nothing"....that's a quote from the Bible. Of course Christ life, death and resurrection counts for EVERYTHING! Whether He was referring to His flesh or man's flesh, is unclear from the passage, imho.
I don't mind discussing this, but I'm having a real hard time following this thread, to be honest. I'm sort of a "bottom line" kind of person; too many long, wordy posts do nothing for me....in fact they totally turn me off. Men (and women) tend to take simple truths and e-x-p-o-u-n-d on them waaaaay to much, imho. There's one post in this thread that took up the whole page!!
The bottom line to me is: it's the reason for the ceremony/practice that is MOST important, to me, not necessarily the practice itself. We wouldn'd be having this thread if it was TOTALLY clear what the pactice specifically meant. However, what IS totally clear (to both sides of the discussion) is the REASON for the practice....to remember, honor, participate in....Christ's death and to take a sacred moment to commune with the Lord while remembering the sacrifice He made for us.
That's the bottom line to me.
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 5:32:55 PM
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DeborahL
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Dear Ms.O
"However, what IS totally clear (to both sides of the discussion) is the REASON for the practice....to remember, honor, participate in....Christ's death and to take a sacred moment to commune with the Lord while remembering the sacrifice He made for us."
Amen, Ms.O
Grace and Peace
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RE: Eucharist... actual body and blood? - 4/28/2005 9:47:35 PM
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sdaw
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quote:
ORIGINAL: DeborahL
Dear Ms.O
"However, what IS totally clear (to both sides of the discussion) is the REASON for the practice....to remember, honor, participate in....Christ's death and to take a sacred moment to commune with the Lord while remembering the sacrifice He made for us."
Amen, Ms.O
Grace and Peace
Dear DeborahL,
There is more to it than that. In the Eucharist, we stand in the eschatological moment, in the eternal moment in which we witness the sacrifice He makes for us.
On the Feast of St. Peter Chanel
Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints!
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