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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 9:51:22 AM
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PeterD
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Why is the topic of praying to the Saints & Mary so popular on this forum compared to thee Calvinism/Arminianism thread?
What is the differance in popularity?
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 9:56:45 AM
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As the topic says, "Praying to the Saints & Mary?"
Is it a Law to do this by praying to the Saints & Mary?
Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread, does this thread address
this issue of praying to the Saints & Mary?
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:18:49 AM
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Why is the topic of praying to the Saints & Mary so popular on this forum compared to thee Calvinism/Arminianism thread?
What is the differance in popularity?
Peter
Probably because some people like to dispute anything they perceive as "Catholic". The odd thing, though, is that over 80% of Christianity believes in requesting intercession from the saints, including Coptics, Eastern Orthodox, Traditional Anglicans, and others, on top of Catholics. So there you go, whatever that's worth.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:23:34 AM
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Why is the topic of praying to the Saints & Mary so popular on this forum compared to thee Calvinism/Arminianism thread?
It isn't.
The Calvinism/Arminianism thread has 32017 posts. This thread has only 3977.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:24:42 AM
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And I'm still wanting to know what this means:
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Actually I think the dpeictions of Jesus and Mary have been fairly consistant--if you don't apply stereotypic Jewish biases.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:29:19 AM
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Actually I think the dpeictions of Jesus and Mary have been fairly consistant--if you don't apply stereotypic Jewish biases.
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I think people need to remember that art is art, and thats all it is: Its Art.
Art is an expression of an artist's feelings and inspirations. The purpose of art is not to be theologically acurate. The purpose of art is the creation of beauty and the expression of the human heart. The fact that God could put such a gift into the hands of great artists is something to be celebrated. I enjoy beautiful things when I see them, and praise God for his gifts, that He should inspire men to create such masterpieces, such as the works of Michaelangelo and Raphael.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:50:21 AM
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We weren't discussing art in general, we were discussing pictorial representations of actual visions. There's a difference.
Otherwise, I've already stated that "glory" was not a good word for me to use and explained precisely what I meant, and I stand by my point. If God does not transfer His omniscience to the saints, then they cannot possibly comprehend the volume of prayer aimed at them and forward it.
As such, you should be glad Protestants don't pray to the saints, as it leaves more saint-time for you guys. *shrug*
As for the angels, except when they are sent out to visit earth, it doesn't really appear that they know what's going on on earth in the all-knowing sense that God does either.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 10:54:20 AM
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The odd thing, though, is that over 80% of Christianity believes in requesting intercession from the saints, including Coptics, Eastern Orthodox, Traditional Anglicans, and others, on top of Catholics. So there you go, whatever that's worth.
Not to be antagonistic, but this line of reasoning is pointless. If it were valid, then the Muslims would be right! 
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:00:59 AM
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The odd thing, though, is that over 80% of Christianity believes in requesting intercession from the saints, including Coptics, Eastern Orthodox, Traditional Anglicans, and others, on top of Catholics. So there you go, whatever that's worth.
Not to be antagonistic, but this line of reasoning is pointless. If it were valid, then the Muslims would be right!
No, because they deny Christ's resurrection. They are the REAL antichrists
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:04:17 AM
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The odd thing, though, is that over 80% of Christianity believes in requesting intercession from the saints, including Coptics, Eastern Orthodox, Traditional Anglicans, and others, on top of Catholics. So there you go, whatever that's worth.
Not to be antagonistic, but this line of reasoning is pointless. If it were valid, then the Muslims would be right!
No, because they deny Christ's resurrection. They are the REAL antichrists
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:25:07 AM
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
Okay. I'll give you that, if you give me the fact that praying to the saints is not a Catholic invention, is something that millions of the faithful feel to be true, and has a scriptual basis - even if that basis is one you disagree with.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:30:40 AM
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
Okay. I'll give you that, if you give me the fact that praying to the saints is not a Catholic invention, and is in fact something that millions of the faithful feel to be true.
I do not forsake the truth for a bargain. It is something started by the CC. I know that millions beleive it, and it makes me sad.
You make this claim, yet you offer no proof. How was it started by the Catholic Church? When? Who?
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:35:37 AM
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....If God does not transfer His omniscience to the saints, then they cannot possibly comprehend the volume of prayer aimed at them and forward it......
Does God "transfer His omniscience" to you when the Holy Spirit speaks to you? No. Perhaps we should let God do His thing His way, and not place limitations on Him.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:38:12 AM
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
Okay. I'll give you that, if you give me the fact that praying to the saints is not a Catholic invention, and is in fact something that millions of the faithful feel to be true.
I do not forsake the truth for a bargain. It is something started by the CC. I know that millions beleive it, and it makes me sad.
You make this claim, yet you offer no proof. How was it started by the Catholic Church? When? Who?
Doublespeak, Lurker. The CC claims it was the original church since Christ rose. The other churches named above are offshoots from the CC. It is one of your teachings, not ours. Therefore, you started it.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 11:46:20 AM
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
Okay. I'll give you that, if you give me the fact that praying to the saints is not a Catholic invention, and is in fact something that millions of the faithful feel to be true.
I do not forsake the truth for a bargain. It is something started by the CC. I know that millions beleive it, and it makes me sad.
What about the Eastern Orthodox, Wes?
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 12:01:06 PM
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Does God "transfer His omniscience" to you when the Holy Spirit speaks to you? No. Perhaps we should let God do His thing His way, and not place limitations on Him.
Here's God's way.
Luke 11:1And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3Give us day by day our daily bread. 4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
No mention of saints. Speaking directly to God. It doesn't get more simple.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 12:18:05 PM
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You missed the point. The number of people who believe a thing does not equate to truth.
Okay. I'll give you that, if you give me the fact that praying to the saints is not a Catholic invention, and is in fact something that millions of the faithful feel to be true.
I do not forsake the truth for a bargain. It is something started by the CC. I know that millions believe it, and it makes me sad.
You make this claim, yet you offer no proof. How was it started by the Catholic Church? When? Who?
Doublespeak, Lurker. The CC claims it was the original church since Christ rose. The other churches named above are offshoots from the CC. It is one of your teachings, not ours. Therefore, you started it.
Well, if you agree then that we started it because we're the original Church, why are you saddened by it? After all, since we're the original Church, we're the same Church founded by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 12:45:56 PM
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Well, if you agree then that we started it because we're the original Church, why are you saddened by it? After all, since we're the original Church, we're the same Church founded by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18.
It saddens me because too much has changed and been added. Prayers to God in the name of Christ should be sufficient for all. Christ is the only mediator, and to add people to the chain in hopes of extra grace and mercy baffles me.
Amen. But those who worship people will do whatever the pope says no matter how unbiblical, and they will also pray to people because they worship people, not God.
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RE: Praying to the Saints & Mary? - 7/24/2008 1:49:10 PM
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Why is the topic of praying to the Saints & Mary so popular on this forum compared to thee Calvinism/Arminianism thread?
What is the differance in popularity?
Peter
Hey PeterD, what is your definition of popular?
Praying to the Saints and Mary = 3,998 post
Calvinism/Arminianism thread = 32,027
Looks as though as the C/A thread has it by 10 to 1.
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