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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 3:25:47 PM
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Jhud
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That's ridiculous. Marriage existed in pre-Christian cultures long before its Western definition came to light.
This is very true. And the reasons for this are legion:
Male/Female marriage is a product of our biological design
Male/Female marriage is a product of the historical development of human communities
Male/Female marriage is a common human universal – it is perhaps one few aspects of humanity (like music or religious belief) that is shared across cultures, continents, and throughout history
Male/Female marriage is foundational to good human development
To name a few. But the major reason to vote for Prop 8 in California is to keep a handful of judges from usurping the right to legislation through representation and thus perverting the Constitution in the process.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 3:51:21 PM
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Brandon should not be charged with anything, so what if he killed that sicko larry?
that sicko "hit" on him, and perhaps that demonic homophile did it many times, not just once.
The school authorities should have punished that larry freak for his demonic behavior against Brandon. That would have prevented the shooting.
Brandon did the right thing, he defended himself from a predatory homophile who was intent on raping him.
It was not an execution but an act of self defense.
I will pray for Brandon, i hope and pray he gets acquited for any and all charges.
He shoudn't be persecuted like this, he should declared a hero being being willing to defend himself.
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How he went about it was taking the law into his own hands and that is not defending oneself from an impending act of harm that cannot be avoided... He shot him during a class if I remember right, he didn't shoot the other person while he was attempting to rape him...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 3:58:37 PM
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In answer to my question, "How does gay marriage diminish YOUR marriage?", Gayle|1 replied:
"How does it affect us, Swedish Covernant? It affects us as Christians because our moral value system is being ripped apart because of one group want to re-define traditional family values, this includes your girls Ellen, Rosie, Assemblywoman Shelia James Kuhel and all the others. "
...in other words, no attempt at an answer at all.
Hint - if you go to court and sue someone for damages, you'd better be able to prove damages.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:00:10 PM
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People like Silvername make me livid, especially when their words have the unfortunate power to turn people away from Christ and His example of love.
I am not defending the actions of the person who says it's ok to take the law in one's own hand, but the idea that people can be turned away by such thoughts says more about God's alleged inability than someone's opinion. Paul said He and Apollo were nothing, it's God that causes the growth...
Those people who you say might be turned away are not held hostage by other people's thoughts, God is surely able to over come such things...
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When nonbelievers see Christians defend murder as "self-defense", what will they say about God? What will they say about the faith we practice? What kind of example are we setting?!
The same thing when they see Christians living their faith as Christ like as I can... Stupid, losers, can't think for themselves, in need of a crutch, uneducated....
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:05:12 PM
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In answer to my question, "How does gay marriage diminish YOUR marriage?", Gayle|1 replied:
"How does it affect us, Swedish Covernant? It affects us as Christians because our moral value system is being ripped apart because of one group want to re-define traditional family values, this includes your girls Ellen, Rosie, Assemblywoman Shelia James Kuhel and all the others. "
...in other words, no attempt at an answer at all.
Hint - if you go to court and sue someone for damages, you'd better be able to prove damages.
The bible is pretty clear that sin doesn't reside in a vacuum and it effects others, and the fact that the ordain minister of God wrath for those who do evil, that being the civil government giving the ok for people to sin is a grave issue and one that cannot be supported without crossing God's law...
Another hint... God's not going to refer to the Constitution of the United States and or some charter of the UN about human rights when dealing with people come Judgment Day...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:16:52 PM
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There was a great blackout line in an episode of "Law and Order" that might be applicable here.
The crew had just successfully prosecuted two men for murder. Both of the perps, it turned out, were incredibly brilliant mathematicians, and even hard-boiled McCoy got interested in their theories.
As the team walks out of the office, McCoy idly muses, "these weren't your ordinary killers."
to which Schiff replies, "Sure they were. They killed somebody."
This kid brought a gun to school, then used it to kill another kid in a room crowded with still more children, at a time and place in which he was in no danger of any kind.
I think he's lucky California doesn't have a death sentence.
He's a completely typical murder - he murdered somebody.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:20:10 PM
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There was a great blackout line in an episode of "Law and Order" that might be applicable here.
The crew had just successfully prosecuted two men for murder. Both of the perps, it turned out, were incredibly brilliant mathematicians, and even hard-boiled McCoy got interested in their theories.
As the team walks out of the office, McCoy idly muses, "these weren't your ordinary killers."
to which Schiff replies, "Sure they were. They killed somebody."
This kid brought a gun to school, then used it to kill another kid in a room crowded with still more children, at a time and place in which he was in no danger of any kind.
I think he's lucky California doesn't have a death sentence.
He's a completely typical murder - he murdered somebody.
California does have a death sentence...
I wonder how far you'd be willing to take the concept of what is a typical murderer...
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:23:59 PM
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There was a great blackout line in an episode of "Law and Order" that might be applicable here.
The crew had just successfully prosecuted two men for murder. Both of the perps, it turned out, were incredibly brilliant mathematicians, and even hard-boiled McCoy got interested in their theories.
As the team walks out of the office, McCoy idly muses, "these weren't your ordinary killers."
to which Schiff replies, "Sure they were. They killed somebody."
This kid brought a gun to school, then used it to kill another kid in a room crowded with still more children, at a time and place in which he was in no danger of any kind.
I think he's lucky California doesn't have a death sentence.
He's a completely typical murder - he murdered somebody.
California does have a death sentence...
I wonder how far you'd be willing to take the concept of what is a typical murderer...
John
I stand corrected - I had heard (incorrectly, it seems) that they do not.
As far as what I would consider 'typical' - that, like the criminal justice system itself, is decided on a case by case basis.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:31:31 PM
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I stand corrected - I had heard (incorrectly, it seems) that they do not.
Well it's not like it gets used a lot, though I am sure because the person shot a homosexual there will be some who normally detest it coming out for it in this case...
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As far as what I would consider 'typical' - that, like the criminal justice system itself, is decided on a case by case basis
Doesn't that conflict with the line from the show?
John
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 4:38:36 PM
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I stand corrected - I had heard (incorrectly, it seems) that they do not.
Well it's not like it gets used a lot, though I am sure because the person shot a homosexual there will be some who normally detest it coming out for it in this case...
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As far as what I would consider 'typical' - that, like the criminal justice system itself, is decided on a case by case basis
Doesn't that conflict with the line from the show?
John
Don't get carried away with scrutinizing the lit'rary allusion.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 6:04:02 PM
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I stand corrected - I had heard (incorrectly, it seems) that they do not.
Well it's not like it gets used a lot, though I am sure because the person shot a homosexual there will be some who normally detest it coming out for it in this case...
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As far as what I would consider 'typical' - that, like the criminal justice system itself, is decided on a case by case basis
Doesn't that conflict with the line from the show?
John
Don't get carried away with scrutinizing the lit'rary allusion.
It's not my fault that you clarified things :P
John
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 6:29:03 PM
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To name a few. But the major reason to vote for Prop 8 in California is to keep a handful of judges from usurping the right to legislation through representation and thus perverting the Constitution in the process.
I'm sure you have already covered this earlier in your thread, however, the ruling the judges made here in California did not in fact pervert the constitutional process, although it remains to be seen what would happen if Proposition 8 passes. Per the constitution, the prior proposition was unconstitutional. I would be curious to know if the kind of judicial "activism" despised by the far right is equally railed against when the judicial activism is conservative. I would also be curious to know if there are events in the history of the U.S. that at time seemed "activist" but in fact were necessary (maybe equal but separate?).
Anyways, one thought as to why prop 8 should not pass. There is certainly no logical connection between marriage as one man and one woman as necessity simply because the practice appears contiguous through the evolution of human societies. There are in fact significant historical attitudes about sexuality in the ancient world (and today, of course) that are the opposite of the contemporary common understanding of marriage (ancient Rome, for example). Regardless of this, the question must be asked as to whether or not proposition 8 is simply a Christian religious law being made to apply to everyone or whether it is an attempt to define marriage. If it is the latter, then the only interest the state has in defining marriage is for matters like taxation, health care, retirement and death benefits, etc., and I see no reason why those benefits should be denied to two people simply because they are the same gender. The states definition of marriage should be free from particular official religious perspectives.
Just because a majority of people want something does not in fact mean it is right. We have numerous examples of this in our own political and social history. I think in the end prop 8 would damage the position of the church, especially if it can be shown that prop 8 is really just a narrow religious perspective disguised as a referendum on what people actually think about the status of marriage as it relates to the state and to the church.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/22/2008 6:43:38 PM
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I'm sure you have already covered this earlier in your thread, however, the ruling the judges made here in California did not in fact pervert the constitutional process, although it remains to be seen what would happen if Proposition 8 passes. Per the constitution, the prior proposition was unconstitutional. I would be curious to know if the kind of judicial "activism" despised by the far right is equally railed against when the judicial activism is conservative.
The California judges clearly perverted the Constitution by finding in it support for homosexual marraige when it plainly did not exist there, nor was there any indication that it was intended to be there.
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I would also be curious to know if there are events in the history of the U.S. that at time seemed "activist" but in fact were necessary (maybe equal but separate?).
Sure; and they can either be easily recognized in the constitution or were the product of laws passed by representatives.
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Anyways, one thought as to why prop 8 should not pass. There is certainly no logical connection between marriage as one man and one woman as necessity simply because the practice appears contiguous through the evolution of human societies. There are in fact significant historical attitudes about sexuality in the ancient world (and today, of course) that are the opposite of the contemporary common understanding of marriage (ancient Rome, for example). Regardless of this, the question must be asked as to whether or not proposition 8 is simply a Christian religious law being made to apply to everyone or whether it is an attempt to define marriage. If it is the latter, then the only interest the state has in defining marriage is for matters like taxation, health care, retirement and death benefits, etc., and I see no reason why those benefits should be denied to two people simply because they are the same gender. The states definition of marriage should be free from particular official religious perspectives.
As I made clear in post 1447, there a numerous basis for limiting marraige to a man and women, and no basis whatsoever in biology, history, familial neccesity, culture, or law, to extend it to couples that exist primarally as a product of their sexual attractions. There is simply no state interest in recognizing such unions as marraiges.
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Just because a majority of people want something does not in fact mean it is right. We have numerous examples of this in our own political and social history. I think in the end prop 8 would damage the position of the church, especially if it can be shown that prop 8 is really just a narrow religious perspective disguised as a referendum on what people actually think about the status of marriage as it relates to the state and to the church.
Just because it was wrong to discriminate against people on the basis of their race does not mean it is in the interest of the state to sanction every proclivity or concievable human relationship; that logic cuts both ways.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 12:49:32 AM
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Family of Slain Homosexual Boy Blames School
Friday, August 15, 2008
By Wire Dispatches, Associated Press
Ventura, Calif. (AP) - The family of a gay teenager who was fatally shot in class blames the school district for allowing their son to wear makeup and feminine clothing to school - factors the family claims led to the death.
The parents and brother of 15-year-old Larry King of Oxnard filed a personal injury claim against the Hueneme school district seeking unspecified damages for not enforcing the dress code.
King, an eighth-grader at E.O. Green Junior High School, was shot in February. Classmate Brandon McInerney pleaded not guilty to the shooting last week. He was charged as an adult and also faces a charge of a committing a hate crime.
The family's claim, filed last week in Ventura County Superior Court, said administrators and teachers failed to enforce the school's dress code when King wore feminine clothing and makeup to school.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=34192
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 12:51:21 AM
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In answer to my question, "How does gay marriage diminish YOUR marriage?", Gayle|1 replied:
"How does it affect us, Swedish Covernant? It affects us as Christians because our moral value system is being ripped apart because of one group want to re-define traditional family values, this includes your girls Ellen, Rosie, Assemblywoman Shelia James Kuhel and all the others. "
...in other words, no attempt at an answer at all.
Hint - if you go to court and sue someone for damages, you'd better be able to prove damages.
How harmful is homophilia? very harmful, just ask the owners of elane photography in new mexico. That's real damage right there. Anti-Christian bigotry short of feeding us to the lions.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 1:12:48 AM
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the schools apalling failure at protecting brandon from attempted sodomy by that sodomite larry, is a perfect example of why the public school system should be abolished.
If this is true, then what responsibility did the parents take to safeguard him? I know what I would do if this happened to my child.
the parents sin was sending him to a public school, and not punishing him for expressing his homophilia, which is a grave and serious sin btw.
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May the grace of God give you peace and lead you away from hate.
When fecal matter exudes from a Christian's mouth, is it no wonder people are not receptive to the Gospel? When Jesus taught love, His followers are promoting violence.
Silvername, if you are without sin, buy yourself a rifle and go to the local gay bar and shoot everyone in there. Every single one of them. In the head. And as you are covered in their blood, smile and pat yourself on the back for a job well done.
I am not promoting violence, just self defense, and there is no need for me to shoot any sodomite, as i do not go to any place where they gang up, i avoid homophiles as best as a i can, and if any ever do "hit" on me, they will get hit as well, with pepperspray first, then with lethal force, but only if they persist in their demonic behavior against me.
I don't need to be sinless to have the right to use lethal force to defend myself.
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Silvername, while I'm sure Brandon felt threatened - shooting and killing his classmate was absolutely not the answer, and IMHO, is indefensible. If Brandon is convicted of the crime, he should pay society's price for it. I pray that he comes to a true understanding of what God's grace really means.
Well i hope he is acquited of all charges, and i hope you will pray for that result, and how can you say it is indefensible, killing in self defense is always good and just.
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When nonbelievers see Christians defend murder as "self-defense", what will they say about God? What will they say about the faith we practice? What kind of example are we setting?!
Again it was not murder, it was self defense, and i don't care what the current legal system in his city or state says about the use of lethal force, we as Christians should be following moral law not the ever changing and secular legal law.
Did you know that up until the 1950s in most of the United States, it was perfectly legal for policemen and civilians to shoot a criminal in the back while in the process of escaping from a failed attack on a potential victim?
That's right, it was only when the anti-Christian liberals gained control of the courts in the 60s was such a thing forbidden and criminalized, go ask any old person who was a police officer in the 50s.
When you protect criminals from being shot by their victims, then the only result is more crime.
In short all these legal rules about self defense and the legal use of lethal force is all arbitrary and the result of liberal mental halitosis.
these rules were made up by people who really know nothing about the realities of self defense, people who live in a liberal hollywood fantasy world, where criminals listen to reason and homophilia is a good thing.
Legally his use of force may be considered illegal, but morally, i believe he was justified in his use of force.
Did he have a better way? maybe, maybe not, we don't know, we don't know his capabilities and the unique circumstances of his situation.
But when there is a clear and present and constant danger to oneself, like from a predatory homophile who wants to sodomize you, you can bet your pet alligator i would support your right to use lethal force to defend yourself.
I'm not a liberal, i believe you can and should shoot a criminal in the back, who just tried to rob kill or rape you, and who you know will attempt to do so again.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 1:21:12 AM
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People like Silvername make me livid, especially when their words have the unfortunate power to turn people away from Christ and His example of love.
When nonbelievers see Christians defend murder as "self-defense", what will they say about God? What will they say about the faith we practice? What kind of example are we setting?!
I was thinking the same thing. Silvernames rhetoric is what I would expect of a jihadist using christianity as his excuse instead of islam. If we advocate using violence for sinners, expect liars, cheaters, fornicators, smokers, gossips, the ambitious or greedy to end up killed. 
hey, i don't advocate murder for anyone.
Brandons was self defense, not murder, now if the homophile he killed wasnt' doing anything to him and he just shot him , then that would be murder from a moral point of view, but that was not the case, he as being "hit" on by the sexual deviant, that justifies his use of force.
you are setting up a straw man.
perhaps to you shooting a criminal in the back when he is running away, is wrong, but morally it isnt, it is only wrong legally, which means its not wrong. in fact it used to be perfectly legal.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 1:22:19 AM
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Reverse Hatred, Steve Wessler and the New Totalitarians
Mike Heath of the Christian Civic League of Maine is a committed Christian who –like millions upon millions of pro-family Americans — opposes homosexual practice and all sex outside marriage. But to social leftists like Steve Wessler, Heath is an extreme “hater” whose views should not even be published in a major newspaper. Can we afford to let the anti-Christian Left become the arbiter of “hate” in America?
http://americansfortruth.com/news/reverse-hatred-steve-wessler-and-the-new-totalitarians.html
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 2:25:34 AM
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Silvername,
To be kind and well away from violating TOS let me say that I find your reasoning as a human, let alone a Christian, quite interesting.
I quess it takes people like you to bring together people that tend to have serious disagreements on other subjects.
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Can we afford to let the anti-Christian Left become the arbiter of “hate” in America?
Are you suggesting that Christians, by some twist of logic, are suppose to be engaged in some kind of contest with "anti-Christians" to see who could hate more?
The "left" have already made themselves to be "arbiters" of hate, if there really are such things.
People will hate what they do not understand, or are comfortable with. They hate out of fear and inability to properly deal with the unknown.
Christians are not suppose to hate because we are not to fear. We are not to hate because we are to understand. We are to separate the sin from the sinner.
Murder is a sin because there is basically no reason for it. It is a selfish, un reasoned, act.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 10:39:46 AM
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the schools apalling failure at protecting brandon from attempted sodomy by that sodomite larry, is a perfect example of why the public school system should be abolished.
If this is true, then what responsibility did the parents take to safeguard him? I know what I would do if this happened to my child.
the parents sin was sending him to a public school, and not punishing him for expressing his homophilia, which is a grave and serious sin btw.
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May the grace of God give you peace and lead you away from hate.
When fecal matter exudes from a Christian's mouth, is it no wonder people are not receptive to the Gospel? When Jesus taught love, His followers are promoting violence.
Silvername, if you are without sin, buy yourself a rifle and go to the local gay bar and shoot everyone in there. Every single one of them. In the head. And as you are covered in their blood, smile and pat yourself on the back for a job well done.
I am not promoting violence, just self defense, and there is no need for me to shoot any sodomite, as i do not go to any place where they gang up, i avoid homophiles as best as a i can, and if any ever do "hit" on me, they will get hit as well, with pepperspray first, then with lethal force, but only if they persist in their demonic behavior against me.
I don't need to be sinless to have the right to use lethal force to defend myself.
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Silvername, while I'm sure Brandon felt threatened - shooting and killing his classmate was absolutely not the answer, and IMHO, is indefensible. If Brandon is convicted of the crime, he should pay society's price for it. I pray that he comes to a true understanding of what God's grace really means.
Well i hope he is acquited of all charges, and i hope you will pray for that result, and how can you say it is indefensible, killing in self defense is always good and just.
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When nonbelievers see Christians defend murder as "self-defense", what will they say about God? What will they say about the faith we practice? What kind of example are we setting?!
Again it was not murder, it was self defense, and i don't care what the current legal system in his city or state says about the use of lethal force, we as Christians should be following moral law not the ever changing and secular legal law.
Did you know that up until the 1950s in most of the United States, it was perfectly legal for policemen and civilians to shoot a criminal in the back while in the process of escaping from a failed attack on a potential victim?
That's right, it was only when the anti-Christian liberals gained control of the courts in the 60s was such a thing forbidden and criminalized, go ask any old person who was a police officer in the 50s.
When you protect criminals from being shot by their victims, then the only result is more crime.
In short all these legal rules about self defense and the legal use of lethal force is all arbitrary and the result of liberal mental halitosis.
these rules were made up by people who really know nothing about the realities of self defense, people who live in a liberal hollywood fantasy world, where criminals listen to reason and homophilia is a good thing.
Legally his use of force may be considered illegal, but morally, i believe he was justified in his use of force.
Did he have a better way? maybe, maybe not, we don't know, we don't know his capabilities and the unique circumstances of his situation.
But when there is a clear and present and constant danger to oneself, like from a predatory homophile who wants to sodomize you, you can bet your pet alligator i would support your right to use lethal force to defend yourself.
I'm not a liberal, i believe you can and should shoot a criminal in the back, who just tried to rob kill or rape you, and who you know will attempt to do so again.
Ahh...so it's people like you who cling to God and guns. I never really met a person who used God to promote gun violence in the name of "self-defense"...but here you are!
Getting "hit on" is attempted rape?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/23/2008 7:34:33 PM
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Silvername's recent posts remind of Steve Taylor's satirical song, "I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good". Perhaps an updated one would say, "I killed the homosexual real good"?
Wonder if Jesus approves of such violence? According to Matthew 5, he doesn't.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/25/2008 1:07:08 AM
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absolutemiss
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I am appalled at this entire line of reasoning.
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I am not promoting violence, just self defense, and there is no need for me to shoot any sodomite, as i do not go to any place where they gang up, i avoid homophiles as best as a i can, and if any ever do "hit" on me, they will get hit as well, with pepperspray first, then with lethal force, but only if they persist in their demonic behavior against me.
I don't need to be sinless to have the right to use lethal force to defend myself.
I'm curious what your biblical defense is for defending yourself with force, particularly against something that does NOT threaten to cause you any physical harm. A homosexual "hitting" on you, while understandably distasteful to you, in no way threatens you physically, nor, though you classify this as "demonic" does it threaten you spiritually in any way.
Jesus, Paul, Stephen, did not ever raise a hand in self defense. Jesus certainly did NOT advocate the killing of sinners, even if they brought the sin near Him--rather the opposite--every sinner who came near Jesus was treated with love and compassion. I am curious as to how you justify such a contrasting response.
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But when there is a clear and present and constant danger to oneself, like from a predatory homophile who wants to sodomize you, you can bet your pet alligator i would support your right to use lethal force to defend yourself.
I'm not a liberal, i believe you can and should shoot a criminal in the back, who just tried to rob kill or rape you, and who you know will attempt to do so again.
I haven't read the 60 pages of this thread, nor even all of them that have to do with this case. But is there ANY evidence that he wanted to or attempted to actually "sodomize" Branden?
Sure, defend yourself with force against someone trying to rape you--I wouldn't argue against one's right to do that (though I think ample debates can be made on whether or not Christ would do that). But anyone "hitting" on you/flirting with you, is NOT a physical threat to you, and it makes no sense to argue that it is therefore self defense to prevent said flirting.
Branden, a hero? Hardly. At the very least, he acted in a manner that showed no awareness of the love and compassion of our Lord. At the very least, he acted in a way that was supremely unChristlike. And at the worst, he is a murderer. Based on the evidence at hand (with obviously no insight into the human heart, as only God has that), I am as concerned for his soul as for the boy's that he killed.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/25/2008 9:48:06 AM
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stellaluna
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I agree. He also denied the other boy the opportunity to know Christ and turn his life around.
If everyone felt the need to kill those that "hit on" them, the male population would be almost non-existent.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/25/2008 10:38:13 AM
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Marcus.
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Has anyone mentioned that this disturbed victim was sexually harassing the other one? If this was a woman who killed a man, there would be an outpouring of sympathy and support.
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