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What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/3/2008 1:31:46 PM
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Or, in order for a movie to be considered "Christian", there has to be something of a "Billy Graham crusade" message to it?
This is something I'm trying to decide on, What Makes a Movie "Christian" , You would think there would be a easy answer, but I don't think there is? I'm Putting together a Christian Film Database CFDb and I run into this all the time. I'm told a movie is Christian, I rent it and it's a good movie, but I would not call it "Christian". I guess it's your take on the Movie?
I would call some movies Christian that others do not and Vice Versa. Many Films have a priest or minister in them, but that does not make it christian, many bad films do this. Even showing some one go to church does not make it Christian. But on the other hand, you don't have to have a Baptism or Billy Graham "message" either.
I would like to know what some of you think?
What are some Movies that you would call "Christian" and other might not?
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Movies that others call 'Christian" and you don't agree.
Also, could you tell me the reasons why you think this?
This will help me in adding Movies to CFDb!
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/3/2008 1:41:29 PM
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I would say any film that exhibits and extolls Christian values would be a good choice. It does not necessarily have to be an in-your-face agenda driven film like so many "Christian films" are.
One of my family's favorite movies is a 1982 film called SAVANNAH SMILES....not made by Christians, and it has one or two bad words in it, but a film I would recommend to my Christian friends any day due to it's message of love and self sacrifice, and the ability of unconditional love to change even the hardest heart.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/3/2008 6:58:16 PM
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I would say any film that exhibits and extolls Christian values would be a good choice. It does not necessarily have to be an in-your-face agenda driven film like so many "Christian films" are.
One of my family's favorite movies is a 1982 film called SAVANNAH SMILES....not made by Christians, and it has one or two bad words in it, but a film I would recommend to my Christian friends any day due to it's message of love and self sacrifice, and the ability of unconditional love to change even the hardest heart.
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SAVANNAH SMILES
I have not Seen SAVANNAH SMILES, is it like POLLYANNA? My wife loves that movie.
I agree that it does not have to be "in-your-face agenda driven" , But I think that it has to be more than just a "good clean movie with values" just like a "good clean man" can't get into heaven without Christ.  Do you know what I mean? I have met people that think living a "good" life, "good Values" will get them into heaven. It's funny, when one guy told me that years ago and I said it would not, he said, well I guess there is no point in being good then, lol
Anyway, I think movies are somewhat the same, they can have good values, but that does not make them Christian. Yes, it's a fine line though. Like Pollyanna, some would call it Christian and others would not. I have it on CFDb because my wife told me it had a Christian Message, but I have not watched it.
On the other hand I have watched a few Christian movies that were so bad (No good message or plot) that I would not call them Christian. It also does not depend on the Language. I have seen a few really good Christian movies with some Language like "To end all wars", granted I use a Language Filter! and it was not made to be a Christian Film.
I know what you mean by a Good Values movie though, there are some that I'm tempted to add because they are so good. ( I might have some on it now) They have great role models in them, but not Christian. There are many many Great family Movies I could add, but I'm trying to keep it to only Christian. That's the hard part, where to draw the line, when does a movie stop being good family to being Good Christian? No it does not have to talk about Christ, but there has to be something more than just Good values. Movies that show people living a Good clean life show the viewer that this might be the way to live, you don't need God, just live a good life and help people and you will get into heaven. Don't get me wrong, I love to watch those kinds of movies, But this is not IMDb, this is CFDb. 
Even though I try, I can not watch every movie I list. LOL So I have to go by what others tell me. But the problem is the Christian Stores sell these family moves, so many think they are Christian just because they sell it at a Christian store and they are not. Yes, they are really good and I might have added some that were right on the boarder line, but really I don't know what the boarder line is? it's different depending on the movie.
I just wish it were cut and dry, it would be so easy. But things don't work that way. I will give SAVANNAH SMILES a try tafkam, sounds like a good movie to watch. Do you have any more that you think would be Christian type? or do you know of any that are called Christian and you don't think they are? I would like to hear about those also.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/4/2008 1:10:20 AM
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craig detweiler and jeffrey overstreet have both written deeply and challengingly about this subject...there's also francis schaeffer or bryan stone or robert johnson or the top 100 spiritually significant films as presented by the various participants at artsandfaith.com...
the first hurdle, of course, is determining and deciding on how you want to define "christian". that will frame and explain your choices. of course, you could always develop a scale of some sort to let people know what the style(?) of the film might be (perhaps a range from didactic to tangential).
the bigger issue is that of looking at film theologically - as in, what Truth(s) are being presented in this film re: who G-d is or who we are - rather than culturally (and with all our individual attendant baggage).
i mean - i find magnolia very much a christian film, as well as man on fire, or even phone booth -- but many might disagree. i find most 'christian' movies pretty insipid and ultimately unforgettable. and i also don't think that the assumption of a judeo-christian cultural mind-set constitutes a 'christian film either, no matter how blue peter o'toole's eyes are.
perhaps it might be an interesting exercise for you to suggest some films yourself according to your own questions and discuss them...
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/4/2008 7:52:02 AM
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Would it be better to call them "spiritual movies with a slant toward Judeo-Christian, monotheistic values"? "Spiritual" may be too broad a stroke without the qualifiers, and when I hear "Christian" movie, I think propoganda like the Left Behind tripe . . .
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/4/2008 8:57:30 AM
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I know what you mean by a Good Values movie though, there are some that I'm tempted to add because they are so good. ( I might have some on it now) They have great role models in them, but not Christian. There are many many Great family Movies I could add, but I'm trying to keep it to only Christian. That's the hard part, where to draw the line, when does a movie stop being good family to being Good Christian? No it does not have to talk about Christ, but there has to be something more than just Good values. Movies that show people living a Good clean life show the viewer that this might be the way to live, you don't need God, just live a good life and help people and you will get into heaven. Don't get me wrong, I love to watch those kinds of movies, But this is not IMDb, this is CFDb.
It is hard because Christian values are not always portrayed in Christian films. Say courage, right. Courage is Christian but there are so many "Christians" with none of that. We are not supposed to judge yet most "Christians" judge and condemn through that judgement. Sometimes the "Christians" are closer to being like the pharisees than they are to being like Christ.
Shrek was good, a lot of good values and I relate to being an alien. That is also a "Christian" value. Being alien. Yet I don't see any films with that. I guess I should make more time to check out more "Christian" films but truthfully I get annoyed more often than not and when I see films of the OT I get bored because some of those films seem so sterile with no life in them. The dialogue is so unauthentic and it just annoys me. I like films with a message or that give encouragement, gotto be able to relate in some way otherwise it is a futile exercise.
Have you got Lion King in there? I like kids films more than adult films. I relate more and I find children's film usually have a richer archetype and a better story than adult films. I've been watching a lot of old films and I really don't get what's so special about most of them, nor some of the actors in them who have been lifted to some eternal status  . My teachers think I'm irreverant and I often criticize films which many movie people hold in high esteem. For example I thought Bette Davis looks like a dead fish in "All About Eve". Yet people made songs about her. I had to watch it twice but I just don't get it!  It is these times when I realise I am like from a different planet.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/4/2008 10:09:24 AM
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Or, in order for a movie to be considered "Christian", there has to be something of a "Billy Graham crusade" message to it?
This is something I'm trying to decide on, What Makes a Movie "Christian" , You would think there would be a easy answer, but I don't think there is? I'm Putting together a Christian Film Database CFDb and I run into this all the time. I'm told a movie is Christian, I rent it and it's a good movie, but I would not call it "Christian". I guess it's your take on the Movie?
I would call some movies Christian that others do not and Vice Versa. Many Films have a priest or minister in them, but that does not make it christian, many bad films do this. Even showing some one go to church does not make it Christian. But on the other hand, you don't have to have a Baptism or Billy Graham "message" either.
I would like to know what some of you think?
What are some Movies that you would call "Christian" and other might not?
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Movies that others call 'Christian" and you don't agree.
Thanks for using my line.....ha ha ha....
FYI...I typed that as part of a post saying that my favorite "Christian Film" is "A River Runs Through It".....sure....it doesn't "hit you over the head" with scripture or the bible (though, there is plenty of bible reading and studying going on throughout the movie).....but, why wouldn't it be a "Christian" film? It's a story about a Presbyterian minister and his family.....the choices their sons make in life....
and, wow....beautifully filmed.
is it NOT "Christian" enough? Should the director of the film have been "Christian" for it to be labeled as such? Or, "marketed" as such?
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/4/2008 1:03:10 PM
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I liked the movie The Ultimate Gift
I also enjoyed a movie called Jesus, Mary and Joey BUT have mixed feelings as to whether or not it is a "Christian" movie.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/5/2008 6:32:30 PM
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Can you get these at a regular Video rental place? I should start to watch some of these really.
Apart from my daughter, I am the only Christian in my family, only serious one anyway and at college I am also the only Christian apart from one girl who is quite shy and frail and who doesn't write about her faith. So I am not really exposed to Christian film.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/6/2008 3:49:51 PM
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For me, I look at movies and ask whether they are family-acceptable.
Stuff with unneccesary, excessive, and shocking violence, sex, or profanity are out of the bbook for me. I need movies to be "clean." After that there's not much too it. We can enjoy and watch a movie and debate what we liked and didn't like. But the first and foremost thing is to make sure it does not have those seedy elements to it.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/6/2008 6:36:02 PM
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Stuff with unneccesary, excessive, and shocking violence, sex, or profanity are out of the bbook for me. I need movies to be "clean." After that there's not much too it. We can enjoy and watch a movie and debate what we liked and didn't like. But the first and foremost thing is to make sure it does not have those seedy elements to it.
Perhaps that's one of the reasons why I like children's film. Also some of the darkness in them I don't understand. Some of the sinister characters that are very complicated are totally alien to me. I have seen them and have known them but they are not my preferred choice of association.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/8/2008 12:04:17 AM
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i know this thread is about what makes a movie "christian", but it might be just as useful to ask what makes a movie non-christian...
i just don't think that a movie with evil, murder, adultery or other acts/ sins automatically makes a movie un-christian. after all, the bible is filled with many instances of these acts and more (genocide, child sacrifice, incest) -- the issue is what are the consequences, how Truth-full is the portrayal? a movie may be filled with all manner of sin and still be "christian" i.e. does it reveal the damaging effects of sin? is there redemption? (a la francis schaeffer). our convictions may guide us as to what we choose to watch, but i don't think that personal convictions alone are enough to determine what makes a movie christian (or non).
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/10/2008 10:55:17 AM
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i just don't think that a movie with evil, murder, adultery or other acts/ sins automatically makes a movie un-christian. after all, the bible is filled with many instances of these acts and more (genocide, child sacrifice, incest) -- the issue is what are the consequences, how Truth-full is the portrayal? a movie may be filled with all manner of sin and still be "christian" i.e. does it reveal the damaging effects of sin? is there redemption? (a la francis schaeffer). our convictions may guide us as to what we choose to watch, but i don't think that personal convictions alone are enough to determine what makes a movie christian (or non).
Yes I agree. I'm sorry if I sound cynical. I am a true Christian the things I say (though sometimes I have a bad case of foot in mouth disease) and in all I do but I don't feel like I am part of the church because the church treats me like a freak or else simply wants to ignore me till I do something great; that is not unconditional love and so I suffer. I suffer knowing that Christians love others before they love me all based on image; that tears me up inside. I can't stand Christianity which is just Christian on the outside but not to the core; it makes me sick and turns my stomach the way people profess Christianity yet love the world and what's in it more than people in their own house. Cuts me deep and I often cry about it. Film seems to reflect this too, though I must confess I have not watched enough 'Christian' film to rightfully criticise. Thanks for listening. I know I strayed a little.
I can be shallow as anything when I want. I like clothes and I look at people's coordination. When I see a true Christian whose eyes shine with the Holy Spirit none of that matters. Even if they used to shine and they don't anymore it still concerns me because that is family and blood is thick. There are so many carnal obstacles that get in the way of love though, not always on my part either. Sometimes I think I would get more attention if I started to belly dance again (yes I still look good in a bikini) but I don't want that type of attention anymore.
A Christian movie doesn't have to be cliché's of told and retold stories. I get so bored with those. I bet there are few Christians out there with stories which could be made of interest to ordinary people so that Christ is able to minister in that manner.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/12/2008 5:26:39 PM
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Thanks for the great comments, I have been out of town, I will comment very soon.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/14/2008 12:35:51 PM
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craig detweiler and jeffrey overstreet have both written deeply and challengingly about this subject...there's also francis schaeffer or bryan stone or robert johnson or the top 100 spiritually significant films as presented by the various participants at artsandfaith.com...
the first hurdle, of course, is determining and deciding on how you want to define "christian". that will frame and explain your choices. of course, you could always develop a scale of some sort to let people know what the style(?) of the film might be (perhaps a range from didactic to tangential).
the bigger issue is that of looking at film theologically - as in, what Truth(s) are being presented in this film re: who G-d is or who we are - rather than culturally (and with all our individual attendant baggage).
i mean - i find magnolia very much a christian film, as well as man on fire, or even phone booth -- but many might disagree. i find most 'christian' movies pretty insipid and ultimately unforgettable. and i also don't think that the assumption of a judeo-christian cultural mind-set constitutes a 'christian film either, no matter how blue peter o'toole's eyes are.
perhaps it might be an interesting exercise for you to suggest some films yourself according to your own questions and discuss them...
Thanks for the links, some look like a good read. like Through a Screen Darkly, I have heard of this book, but forgot all about it.
I guess the difference is these books are about pulling Christian meaning from films, I love doing this. There are many great films that I do this with and always will. But this is not what I'm asking. I don't want Films that Christian ideas can be pulled out, I want Christian films that are Christian on the surface.
I love watching all kinds of films, But I want CFDb to be a list of films that are Christian on the surface. That anyone watching sees the need for God/Christ. There are other databases that other great films can be listed on. CFDb has a different Purpose. To help others find "Christian Films", IMDb can be used to find the other films.
I'm just trying to find a 'Guide" that I can go by to help me decide what to list? I know this will not work for all movies, there are so many different kinds.
I like your idea about listing movie titles and discussing them. This might help?
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/14/2008 2:24:04 PM
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I can also relate to being an alien, lol
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Can you get these at a regular Video rental place? I should start to watch some of these really.
Apart from my daughter, I am the only Christian in my family, only serious one anyway and at college I am also the only Christian apart from one girl who is quite shy and frail and who doesn't write about her faith. So I am not really exposed to Christian film.
Yes you can, Most of the Christian films on CFDb, you can rent HERE, it's like a christian netflix, I use them also. Not as fast getting the movies to you as netflix, maybe because they come from CA and I'm in PA, but I like them.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/14/2008 3:29:16 PM
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What makes a movie Christian? I'd say worldview. If it's it's written from a Christian worldview, it's a Christian movie. If it's not written from a Christian worldview but it still potrays good morals and has nothing objectionable, then it's a Family Friendly movie, but it's not technically a Christian movie.
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/15/2008 10:29:12 AM
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I can also relate to being an alien, lol
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Can you get these at a regular Video rental place? I should start to watch some of these really.
Apart from my daughter, I am the only Christian in my family, only serious one anyway and at college I am also the only Christian apart from one girl who is quite shy and frail and who doesn't write about her faith. So I am not really exposed to Christian film.
Yes you can, Most of the Christian films on CFDb, you can rent HERE, it's like a christian netflix, I use them also. Not as fast getting the movies to you as netflix, maybe because they come from CA and I'm in PA, but I like them.
thanks....i checked them out...
and, whle looking throught that "Christian" film site....I found MANY films that were "family friendly", that weren't necessarily "Christian".....NOT that there's anything wrong with that...but, when they call themselves "ChristianCinema.com", what else do you expect?
"We Are Marshall"....and "Dan in Real Life"...and "The Rookie".....hmmm.....Christian Films? (and, ONE of those is a recent movie from DISNEY! YIKES! hee hee hee hee)
again....those were all great movies....BUT, their name is "ChristianCinema.com".....
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/15/2008 7:04:02 PM
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I can also relate to being an alien, lol
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Can you get these at a regular Video rental place? I should start to watch some of these really.
Apart from my daughter, I am the only Christian in my family, only serious one anyway and at college I am also the only Christian apart from one girl who is quite shy and frail and who doesn't write about her faith. So I am not really exposed to Christian film.
Yes you can, Most of the Christian films on CFDb, you can rent HERE, it's like a christian netflix, I use them also. Not as fast getting the movies to you as netflix, maybe because they come from CA and I'm in PA, but I like them.
thanks....i checked them out...
and, whle looking throught that "Christian" film site....I found MANY films that were "family friendly", that weren't necessarily "Christian".....NOT that there's anything wrong with that...but, when they call themselves "ChristianCinema.com", what else do you expect?
"We Are Marshall"....and "Dan in Real Life"...and "The Rookie".....hmmm.....Christian Films? (and, ONE of those is a recent movie from DISNEY! YIKES! hee hee hee hee)
again....those were all great movies....BUT, their name is "ChristianCinema.com".....
Hi kernsfamily,
This is a problem I have also, yes they are good movies but not Christian, I just wish they would put them on a different page so people can know the difference. I have bought Movies or rented them because they were sold at a Christian store and after watching them, I see they are not. And the only reason I bought them is because I thought they were Christian. Now I never know what I will get from a christian bookstore? They sell all kinds of movies.
kernsfamily if you see any movies like this on Christian Film Database that are not Christian, Please let me know. I'm trying really hard to make sure they are all Christian, But I can't watch them all. I have to go by what others tell me also. Thanks
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/16/2008 7:29:41 AM
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es you can, Most of the Christian films on CFDb, you can rent HERE, it's like a christian netflix, I use them also. Not as fast getting the movies to you as netflix, maybe because they come from CA and I'm in PA, but I like them.
Sounds complicated. I am in Australia and don't give my credit card details online, guess there always paypal, I'd rather just go to the shop. Isn't there some way you could get them in a shop? I'd like to watch some of those films.
I do still force myself to go to church just to sing there really. I take my grandchildren and have to go with them to sunday school because they don't go to strangers. I have church other times when I'm not at church. My whole life is church really. Even when I go to the gym I feel like I'm in church.
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This is a problem I have also, yes they are good movies but not Christian, I just wish they would put them on a different page so people can know the difference. I have bought Movies or rented them because they were sold at a Christian store and after watching them, I see they are not. And the only reason I bought them is because I thought they were Christian. Now I never know what I will get from a christian bookstore? They sell all kinds of movies.
kernsfamily if you see any movies like this on Christian Film Database that are not Christian, Please let me know. I'm trying really hard to make sure they are all Christian, But I can't watch them all. I have to go by what others tell me also. Thanks
While i did write that post....you can see that I said that, while many movies that I found there were "non christian", that "THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT"........i just pointed out that even "ChristianCinema.com" has a hard time "defining" this genre.
there are PLENTY of AWESOME movies out there, that may not "hit you over the head" with scripture, and aren't "labeled" and "marketed" as "Christian" movies, are STILL incredible movies.
My "example" from the beginning of this thread is "A River Runs Through It" (a story about a Presbyterian minister and his family)...."Akeelah and the Bee" is another (if you have older elementary/middle school kids)....."Remember the Titans" was incredible (MUCH better than "Facing the Giants")....and, yes, even "The Rookie"....."We are Marshall".....and, I can go on and on.....
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RE: What Makes a Movie "Christian"? - 9/16/2008 3:20:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: Giulia
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es you can, Most of the Christian films on CFDb, you can rent HERE, it's like a christian netflix, I use them also. Not as fast getting the movies to you as netflix, maybe because they come from CA and I'm in PA, but I like them.
Sounds complicated. I am in Australia and don't give my credit card details online, guess there always paypal, I'd rather just go to the shop. Isn't there some way you could get them in a shop? I'd like to watch some of those films.
I do still force myself to go to church just to sing there really. I take my grandchildren and have to go with them to sunday school because they don't go to strangers. I have church other times when I'm not at church. My whole life is church really. Even when I go to the gym I feel like I'm in church.
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Australia
Yea, Australia may be a problem, they only do the U.S.
I did see one place that rents in the Uk?
You can buy them From amazon or ebay, I see them on there all the time. I have talked to someone else out of the U.S. and he has a hard time finding Christian Movies.
If you want I can try to help you find some, I sometimes go to flea markets and I see Christian movies for around 5.00, I don't buy them because I already have them. but if I knew what you were looking for I could pick some up. I could maybe ship like 4 or 5 in a Int. mail for 11.95?
Just let me know, I think some of the Christian Stores on-line also ship to you?
Roger
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