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The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education&quo... - 9/9/2008 11:44:40 PM
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todd_t
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Wow, and to think I used to believe John McCain had a sense of common decency in politics. Shows you what a dope I am.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html
This is in reference to the following:
A new 30-second TV ad attacks Barack Obama's record on education, saying that Obama backed legislation to teach " 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." The announcer then says, "Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family."
Why that's wrong: This is a deliberately misleading accusation. It came hours after the Obama campaign released a TV ad critical of McCain's votes on public education. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.
But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.
http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/789668.html
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:13:31 AM
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As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.
Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family.
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But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.
Local school boards have No business teaching sex education; comprehensive or not; or to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators to kindergartners or any child. Sex education and warning young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators belongs Only to Mothers and Fathers and/or Foster/Legal Guardian!!!
I still think John McCain had a sense of common decency in politics.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:19:04 AM
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or to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators to kindergartners or any child
So schools warning young kids about sickos who may abuse or exploit them is a bad thing?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 12:32:19 AM
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or to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators to kindergartners or any child
So schools warning young kids about sickos who may abuse or exploit them is a bad thing?
(that century would actually be 'era': Same 'era' as McCain --- before Political Correctness entered in.)
So Parents warning their own young kids about sickos who may abuse or exploit them is a bad thing?
Yes, I do think schools warning young kids about sickos who may abuse or exploit them is a bad thing. This is Not what schools are there to teach.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 1:24:46 AM
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You're right, Slime IS Getting Thick; Did you see this one from Obama?
Barack Obama on Sarah Palin: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 4:57:46 AM
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You're right, Slime IS Getting Thick; Did you see this one from Obama?
Barack Obama on Sarah Palin: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’
HERE
These attacks on Senator Obama never cease to be a wonderment...
The term "lipstick on a pig" is a very common anology.
A Chicago Tribune article published in 2007 during the Democratic primaries cites McCain criticizing Hillary Clinton’s health care plan. “I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig,” McCain is quoted as saying about Clinton’s proposal.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 5:37:19 AM
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Wow, and to think I used to believe John McCain had a sense of common decency in politics. Shows you what a dope I am.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html
This is in reference to the following:
A new 30-second TV ad attacks Barack Obama's record on education, saying that Obama backed legislation to teach " 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." The announcer then says, "Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family."
Why that's wrong: This is a deliberately misleading accusation. It came hours after the Obama campaign released a TV ad critical of McCain's votes on public education. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.
But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.
http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/789668.html
Truth hurts.
I think its totally sickening that Obama would even THINK about doing what he said hes gonna do when it comes to sex education for children. Thats not up to the school. Thats up to the PARENTS! I should know - im a parent.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 6:21:32 AM
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Sex education and warning young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators belongs Only to Mothers and Fathers and/or Foster/Legal Guardian!!!
What happens to children whose parents don't teach them these things either through neglect or ignorance? Or children whose parents are the sexual predators? I don't like the idea of schools teaching sex ed at a young age either, ideally that would take place at home. But I also don't want children to be victimized through lack of knowledge. In many homes* this simply isn't taking place.
* Many doesn't mean most or a majority, many means enough to where its an issue that needs to be addressed. I'm not saying the optimal solution is sex ed in schools. I am saying that the posters who are against it are good parents who fellowship with other good parents and might be assuming that good parenting is the norm. These days parenting comes in a wide variety of qualities. I'm not comfortable in the assumption that most every kid is receiving sufficient warning of life's dangers, including sexual predators, at home.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 6:22:58 AM
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Sex education and warning young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators belongs Only to Mothers and Fathers and/or Foster/Legal Guardian!!!
What happens to children whose parents don't teach them these things either through neglect or ignorance? Or children whose parents are the sexual predators? I don't like the idea of schools teaching sex ed at a young age either, ideally that would take place at home. But I also don't want children to be victimized through lack of knowledge. In many homes* this simply isn't taking place.
* Many doesn't mean most or a majority, many means enough to where its an issue that needs to be addressed. I'm not saying the optimal solution is sex ed in schools. I am saying that the posters who are against it are good parents who fellowhip with other good parents and might be assuming that good parenting is the norm. These days parenting comes in a wide variety of qualities.
You dont have kids do you? Trust me when i say that when you do you will NOT want the school teaching them those things at such an early age. If i heard of my little girls coming home and saying they learned that at school id hit the roof.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 6:26:33 AM
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You dont have kids do you? Trust me when i say that when you do you will NOT want the school teaching them those things at such an early age. If i heard of my little girls coming home and saying they learned that at school id hit the roof.
You're right. I'm not saying that sex ed in schools is optimal. I look forward to a solution for the kids that aren't fortunate enough to have good parents that will teach them about these things. If good parenting were the across the board norm I'd be with you but I work with middle schoolers and I can tell you its not.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 6:32:23 AM
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You dont have kids do you? Trust me when i say that when you do you will NOT want the school teaching them those things at such an early age. If i heard of my little girls coming home and saying they learned that at school id hit the roof.
You're right. I'm not saying that sex ed in schools is optimal. I look forward to a solution for the kids that aren't fortunate enough to have good parents that will teach them about these things. If good parenting were the across the board norm I'd be with you but I work with middle schoolers and I can tell you its not.
I understand. BUT should that be for all kids to hear? Just because there are some parents who dont care?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 6:41:23 AM
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I understand. BUT should that be for all kids to hear? Just because there are some parents who dont care?
You can opt your kids out. I've never heard of a sex ed program where the parents didn't have that option and I'd be very opposed to any program that didn't have an opt out for parents.
The bill in question may not have an opt out and if so then its a bad bill. I'm debating the assertion that parents across the board are warning their kids about such things therefore the school (or anyone else) doesn't need to.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 7:05:32 AM
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I am the parent of a 15 yr old son and a ten yr old daughter. I am all for sex ed in school.
It's responsible education. Teaching them about the predators is a necessary evil in this day and age. Not teaching them is irresponsible. They need to know the dangers that lurk.
Education in the schools provides and open door to communication, that night not have been there previously.
It is the schools job to educate them, it's why they go to school. 
My job as a parent is to reinforce what they have learned and teach them morals and ethics. Truth and consequences.
Parents who wish to not have their children taught these things, should place their children in a bubble and hope for the best.
Lack of real life education will lead that child to more experimentation and and risk taking behavior-simply because they do NOT KNOW any better.
Teaching sex education does not tech them about love, it does not teach them about infatuation, it does teach them the basic mechanics of their bodies. It teaches them how the organs work and how they work together, meaning male and female.
There is nothing wrong or sinful i this action. It is preparing the generations for life at an earlier age because they HAVE to. Kids are growing up so fast today. They are introduced to so many things years earlier than when even I was their age. And I'm only 36.
To sy it's not needed or necessary is really putting these kids in a place to fail, because parents with good intentions of protecting their kids, seem to think , that not talking about it or barely scraping the surface of a subject is an education.
Try letting kids teach kids about sex education and see how fast you become a grandparent or how long it takes you to take your kid to the doctor because they have an "itch down there".
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 7:10:52 AM
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Conservatives have to choose between opposing abortion or opposing sexual education. Abortion is most common amongst teens and young adults. It's only logic that teen pregnancy is a direct result of lack of sexual education. So if you want to reduce the numbers of abortion, teaching sexual education in schools is an effective way to do that.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 8:03:35 AM
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But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education
Would this translate that love and sex between two men is acceptable?
No "school board" should have the right to decide what "age appropriate" sex education is for someone elses child. This should be a 'parent's right and responsibility'.
We don't need the government deciding what is "right" sex education for our children.
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Conservatives have to choose between opposing abortion or opposing sexual education.
No we do not. And it would be "more accurate" for you to have said "sex education in the schools" and to be more specific to "this thread" to our 5 year olds.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 8:05:04 AM
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Conservatives have to choose between opposing abortion or opposing sexual education. Abortion is most common amongst teens and young adults. It's only logic that teen pregnancy is a direct result of lack of sexual education. So if you want to reduce the numbers of abortion, teaching sexual education in schools is an effective way to do that.
I do Not agree. If anything it has been the direct result OF sex education in schools and especially since it became co-ed (boys & girls together). I had kids in school the year schools went co-ed in our State; I was furious  I opted my kids out by refusing to give my permission and keeping them home --- so they wouldn't have to sit in the Principles Office during that Class and afterwards become the target of embarrassing harassment jokes.
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What happens to children whose parents don't teach them these things either through neglect or ignorance? Or children whose parents are the sexual predators? I don't like the idea of schools teaching sex ed at a young age either, ideally that would take place at home. But I also don't want children to be victimized through lack of knowledge. In many homes* this simply isn't taking place.
They live; I did. It made me tough and mean, and it made me a junk yard watch dog of protection for my kids. Political Correctness doesn't wash with me.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 8:10:16 AM
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Would this translate that love and sex between two men is acceptable?
Why would that possibly come into sex education?
Sex ed is bout the functioning of men and women's reproductive parts.
It's not a relationship course.
Age appropriate means exactly that. You wouldn't teach a kindergartner about having sex, you address their curiosity of their own body and the importance of not allowing someone else to touch their body inappropriately.
We can take it to extremes or we can be very realistic.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 8:14:32 AM
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They live; I did. It made me tough and mean, and it made me a junk yard watch dog of protection for my kids. Political Correctness doesn't wash with me.
I lived too. Had I have been taught, things might have turned out differently.
It has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about teaching them the difference by arming them with knowledge.
Just because it happened to us, doesn't mean we should protect our children to the point that they have no understanding of the dangers that are truly out there.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 9:40:42 AM
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It has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about teaching them the difference by arming them with knowledge.
Agreed 1000%.
How can any information a child can use to defend him/herself against sexual predators be a bad thing?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 9:53:38 AM
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You're right, Slime IS Getting Thick; Did you see this one from Obama?
Barack Obama on Sarah Palin: ‘You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It’s Still a Pig’
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Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
YOUR OWN CITE reads:
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers knoiw better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 9:54:44 AM
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They live; I did. It made me tough and mean, and it made me a junk yard watch dog of protection for my kids. Political Correctness doesn't wash with me.
Wow, unbelievable. So its "politically correct" to want to protect the least of these? When that is the attitude there really isn't any place else to go.
So you really would rather deny a child information they can use to protect themselves from sexual abuse (and thats what I was talking about and responding to) so you're child doesn't have to hear it? When you can opt out for your child.
And your response is "they live". Yeah they live, miserable messed up lives while your child is all happy and protected because they had the blessing of good parenting.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 9:59:53 AM
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No one has a problem with teaching "safety" at school. It's the "sex education" to small children we are against.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:01:51 AM
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No one has a problem with teaching "safety" at school. It's the "sex education" to small children we are against.
What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:08:36 AM
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No one has a problem with teaching "safety" at school. It's the "sex education" to small children we are against.
What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
-Dan.
Probably something like what the "We Are Family Foundation" promoted which is heavily into indoctrinating elementary kids with homosexuality. They had a bunch of stuff on their websites in their resources for teachers section until Dr. Dobson shined the spotlight on them then they removed it expsoing their guilt.
Unfortunately the web leaves footprints so it was still there in the archives to incriminate them.
They had planned to use cartoon characters to "voice" their unseemly message of ""tolerance"".
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/10/2008 10:13:52 AM
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What is the "sex education" that was going to be taught?
That is the 64 Thousand dollar question.
Obama before a planned parenthood meeting gave this big speech about how he supported the bill.
I agree with the dog posting above. I am pretty sure it's early indoctrination for homosexuality and abortion.
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