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The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/15/2008 8:24:23 PM
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Evangel70
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McCain's Focus on Georgia Raises Question of Propriety
After Chiding Obama, He Dwells on Crisis as a President Might
By Dan Eggen and Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 15, 2008; A16
Standing behind a lectern in Michigan this week, with two trusted senators ready to do his bidding, John McCain seemed to forget for a moment that he was only running for president.
Asked about his tough rhetoric on the ongoing conflict in Georgia, McCain began: "If I may be so bold, there was another president . . ."
He caught himself and started again: "At one time, there was a president named Ronald Reagan who spoke very strongly about America's advocacy for democracy and freedom."…
Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili says he talks to McCain, a personal friend, several times a day. McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was until recently a paid lobbyist for Georgia's government. McCain also announced this week that two of his closest allies, Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), would travel to Georgia's capital of Tbilisi on his behalf, after a similar journey by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
The extent of McCain's involvement in the military conflict in Georgia appears remarkable among presidential candidates, who traditionally have kept some distance from unfolding crises out of deference to whoever is occupying the White House. The episode also follows months of sustained GOP criticism of Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who was accused of acting too presidential for, among other things, briefly adopting a campaign seal and taking a trip abroad that included a huge rally in Berlin.
"We talk about how there's only one president at a time, so the idea that you would send your own emissaries and really interfere with the process is remarkable," said Lawrence Korb, a Reagan Defense Department official who now acts as an informal adviser to the Obama campaign. "It's very risky and can send mixed messages to foreign governments. . . . They accused Obama of being presumptuous, but he didn't do anything close to this."…
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McCain should not be so arrogant to assume that he is ALREADY president. Perhaps the Washington elitist doesn't think that an election is necessary. Anyone still have any doubts that a vote for McCain is a vote for 4 more years of failed Bush policies?
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/15/2008 8:34:04 PM
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wing2000
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....yes, in a very fluid situation, I thought McCain's very early pronouncements on the situation were a bit presumptions.... I think the Bush Administration, led by Sec. of State Rice, is taking the correct approach...she really doesn't need any help from McCain (or Obama),
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 2:33:43 PM
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It's almost as if McCain can do no wrong for the far right. Or perhaps McCain is the far right's Messiah figure.
What a joke. McCain is NOBODY's first choice for GOP nominee. For the vast majority of us, we will vote for him because pretty much ANYTHING is better than Obama.
Which is sad, because it sure would be nice to have a candidate that we could really get pumped about...
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 2:37:55 PM
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Jhud
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Yeah, if MCain is our messiah, then we treat Messiah's pretty shabbily. Of course that my be one difference between the right and the left - we don't need a new messiah, we are happy with the original, we just need a competent leader.
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 2:42:24 PM
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Rufas2000
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Yeah, if MCain is our messiah, then we treat Messiah's pretty shabbily.
There is much to think about in that statement.
About the election, I'm thinking of writing in one of you forum dwellers for president.
And yes I have noticed that the Republicans tolerate McCain more than revere him. But it only makes sense to pump up your candidate. "Vote for McCain even though we his base really don't like him" is not a winning campaign strategy.
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 2:47:41 PM
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"Vote for McCain even though we his base really don't like him"
It wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker, either....
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 2:58:03 PM
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Rufas2000
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It wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker, either....
True. How about "McCain, the Lesser Evil". That'll rally the undecideds!
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 3:17:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000
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It wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker, either....
True. How about "McCain, the Lesser Evil". That'll rally the undecideds!
How about, "John McIM-NOT-OBAMA for President"
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"Vote McCain, because: The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know."
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"BARACK OBAMA!!!
Now that I've got your attention, McCain for President"
- Julius
< Message edited by saved9201 -- 8/16/2008 3:28:36 PM >
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 3:33:38 PM
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saved9201
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Yeah, if MCain is our messiah, then we treat Messiah's pretty shabbily. Of course that my be one difference between the right and the left - we don't need a new messiah, we are happy with the original, we just need a competent leader.
Now if you could just find ONE person on the left who calls B. Hussein O. "The Messiah", then your post would make sense. Otherwise: 
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 3:41:53 PM
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tafkam
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"BARACK OBAMA!!!
Now that I've got your attention, McCain for President"
Yeah, that one clinches it...
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 4:05:31 PM
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todd_t
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I thought McCain's very early pronouncements on the situation were a bit presumptions....
I agree completely.
First, Obama took a pounding from McCain for acting too "presidential" in Europe, and then McCain proceeds to one-up the State Department by dictating what US policy should be concerning Georgia.
Does McCain realize he is not the president?
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 7:08:44 PM
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Jhud
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First, Obama took a pounding from McCain for acting too "presidential" in Europe, and then McCain proceeds to one-up the State Department by dictating what US policy should be concerning Georgia.
Does McCain realize he is not the president?
Well, considering one of these guys is going to be the President in a matter of months, I am not sure how presumptuous it is to state clearly and concisely what they think should be done during the course of current events - in fact, that tells us something solid about the person in question. Personally I like McCain’s response much better - it didn't give the Russians any wiggle room.
And if 'presumption' is a fault here, then a world tour would be ridiculously presumptuous, as would placing a Presidential seal on the podium one is speaking from. Of course, Obama supporter are blind to such things, much like the prepubescent fans of any rock star.
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RE: The PRESUMPTUOUS Nominee - 8/16/2008 8:09:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: Evangel70
McCain's Focus on Georgia Raises Question of Propriety
After Chiding Obama, He Dwells on Crisis as a President Might
By Dan Eggen and Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 15, 2008; A16
Standing behind a lectern in Michigan this week, with two trusted senators ready to do his bidding, John McCain seemed to forget for a moment that he was only running for president.
Asked about his tough rhetoric on the ongoing conflict in Georgia, McCain began: "If I may be so bold, there was another president . . ."
He caught himself and started again: "At one time, there was a president named Ronald Reagan who spoke very strongly about America's advocacy for democracy and freedom."…
Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili says he talks to McCain, a personal friend, several times a day. McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was until recently a paid lobbyist for Georgia's government. McCain also announced this week that two of his closest allies, Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), would travel to Georgia's capital of Tbilisi on his behalf, after a similar journey by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
The extent of McCain's involvement in the military conflict in Georgia appears remarkable among presidential candidates, who traditionally have kept some distance from unfolding crises out of deference to whoever is occupying the White House. The episode also follows months of sustained GOP criticism of Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who was accused of acting too presidential for, among other things, briefly adopting a campaign seal and taking a trip abroad that included a huge rally in Berlin.
"We talk about how there's only one president at a time, so the idea that you would send your own emissaries and really interfere with the process is remarkable," said Lawrence Korb, a Reagan Defense Department official who now acts as an informal adviser to the Obama campaign. "It's very risky and can send mixed messages to foreign governments. . . . They accused Obama of being presumptuous, but he didn't do anything close to this."…
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McCain should not be so arrogant to assume that he is ALREADY president. Perhaps the Washington elitist doesn't think that an election is necessary. Anyone still have any doubts that a vote for McCain is a vote for 4 more years of failed Bush policies?
perhaps mccain knows something the rest of us don't...like maybe he will be president irregardless of the election process  ...and his little "joke" singing bomb bomb bomb iran to a beach boys tune definitely sends a scary message to foreign governments...does a competent leader really do silly stuff like this???...the write in vote still counts...maybe republicans should write in ron paul or mitt romney and send the party big whigs a message
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If Obama had made the same proclamation as McCain, we would have have 4 pages on this thread slaming Obama (until the thread got hijacked by our resident "it's all about abortion" poster 
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