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The Drink Offering - 8/9/2008 12:30:18 AM   
manichunter


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How do I sacrifice myself as a drink offering for others?


Paul often told people to follow his example as he imitated Jesus. Hence, Paul gave himself as a drink offering as well as the rest of the torah offerings. How?

Php 2:17 -Yes, and if I am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with you all.

2Ti 4:6 - For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand.


1Co 11:1 - Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

1 Co 4:16, 17 16Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

Paul imitated the sacrificial offering system as stated by these Scriptures, and he taught others to do the same in their manner of conduct. How? What did the animals being sacrifice represent? What was a drink offering in the first place?

Why has the general and mass body of believers not known this before? Why is it not taught today?

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RE: The Drink Offering - 8/9/2008 8:38:19 AM   
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2:17 being poured out. From the Gr. that means “to be offered as a libation or drink offering.” Some connect this with Paul’s future martyrdom, but the verb is in the present tense, which means he is referring to his sacrificial ministry among the Philippians. drink offering. This refers to the topping off of an ancient animal sacrifice. The offerer poured wine either in front of or on top of the burning animal and the wine would be vaporized. That steam symbolized the rising of the offering to the deity for whom the sacrifice was made (cf. Ex. 29:38–41; 2 Kin. 16:13; Jer. 7:18; Hos. 9:4). Paul viewed his entire life as a drink offering, and here it was poured on the Philippians’ sacrificial service. service of your faith. “Service” comes from a word that refers to sacred, priestly service (cf. Rom. 12:1; 1 Cor. 9:12) and was so used in the Gr. OT. Paul sees the Philippians as priests who were offering their lives sacrificially and faithfully in service to God (cf. 1 Pet. 2:9).

John Jr MacArthur, The MacArthur Study Bible, electronic ed. (Nashville: Word Pub., 1997, c1997), Php 2:17.

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The libation-wine, set apart from its common use, serving as an expression of joy (Ps. 104:15; Eccles. 10:19), as an image of quickening grace (Prov. 9:2; Isaiah 55:1), as a sweet savor (2 Cor. 3:15; Rom. 15:16), serves to represent the Apostle (separated from them by his δεσμοί), as giving up his personal and official ego, his life and his desires, pouring out in a martyr’s death his blood as a sweet savor.

John Peter Lange, Philip Schaff, Karl Braune and Horatio B. Hackett, A Commentary on the Holy Scriptures : Philippians (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2008), 42.

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My life’s blood is to be poured out like an offering translates a single Greek verb, which means literally “I am poured out” (that is, as a libation or drink offering). The drink offering was usually a cup of wine poured out on the ground to honor a deity. When used of a person, the verb denotes a violent or bloody death. This kind of offering was common in both pagan and Jewish worship (cf. Num 15.3–10). In talking about the possibility of his martyrdom, Paul likens his life’s blood to a drink offering poured out to honor God (cf. Rom 15.16; 2 Tim 4.6).
The possibility of death is for Paul not a cause for grief, but of joy. This joy is based on the confidence that death will be a gain, because by it Christ will be glorified and the gospel proclaimed. Here again we have the characteristic refrain of this letter, “joy” and “you all.” In this verse and the following, Paul employs the verb “to rejoice” twice, and also its compound “to rejoice with” twice. Here he says I am glad and share my joy with you all.
If that is so refers, not to the sacrifice that your faith offers to God, but to the possibility of Paul’s death. Therefore if that is so may by rendered as “if that turns out to be the case,” or “if I die.”

I-Jin Loh and Eugene Albert Nida, A Handbook on Paul's Letter to the Philippians, Originally Published: A Translators Handbook on Paul's Letter to the Philippians, c1977., UBS Helps for translators; UBS handbook series (New York: United Bible Societies, 1995], c1977), 74-76.

In other words, we can take Paul's reference to the sacrificial system as describing: the primacy he places on his service to God over and above his own life, a sacrifice he willingly makes - poured out - as a sweet savor to God; his allusion to the possibility of being martyred, and his internal peace with that possibility, for as he said previously: Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

How do you, manichunter, take this teaching and make it a practical application in your life?

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.

2Co 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

... consider also, would you be willing to die for your faith? If someone was threatening you to deny Christ or die for your profession of faith in Christ - which choice would you make?

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RE: The Drink Offering - 8/9/2008 10:34:47 AM   
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A few additional thoughts on your question regarding the OT sacrificial system:

Compare:
• Sin-offering (Lev 4; Lev 6:24-30; Isaiah 53:4-6) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb (Jn 1:29) with the purpose of being the Ransom (payment in violating God's Law).
• Trespass-offering (Lev 5; Lev 6:1-7; Lev 7:1-7; Is 53:10) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb (Mt 20:28) with the purpose of being the Expiation (restitution for damages).
• Burnt-offering (Lev 1; Lev 6:8-13) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb (Eph 5:2) with the purpose of Dedication one's self to God (sweet savor)
• The shedding of blood (Lev 16:14-19) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb (1Jn 2:2) with the purpose of Atonement.
• The scape goat (Lev 16:8-10; Is 53:7-9) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb (1 Pet 2:24) with the purpose of Remission of sins.
• The Mercy Seat (Ex 25:17-22) to the Deity of Christ (1 Jn 2:2) for the purposes of Propitiation (satisfaction/Forgiveness).
• Cereal-offering (Lev 2; Lev 6:14-23) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb, with the purpose of being Thankful and a Voluntary obedience (sweet savor)
• Peace-offering (Lev 3; Lev 7:11-21) to Jesus as the Sacrificial Lamb, with the purpose of Reconciliation/Communion with God (sweet savor)
• Feast of First Fruits (Pentecost - Lev 23:15-16) compared to Regeneration (1 Pe 1:23)
• The Lavar (Ex 30:17-21) to Jesus as the Logos (Jn 15:3) with the purpose of Imputed Righteousness (given by God to us, not earned by us).
• The water (Ge 15:6) to the Holy Spirit (Eph 5:26; James 1:23-24) with the purpose of Sanctification (Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ)

The activities that occurred in the Israelite temple relate to the person and work of Jesus Christ as the second person of the Trinity - His work being His death and resurrection to accomplish your redemption, atonement, propitiation, imputation of righteousness, restoration of your relationship with God, Sanctification, and Salvation.

Christ did not come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it, to fulfill all righteousness, and as He stated on the cross - "it is finished" - i.e., no more work by man or God must be done to redeem His people. And as the book of Hebrews states, the old Israelite Temple and sacrificial system is no longer required, thanks to the work of Jesus Christ.

In addition, God is no longer inaccessible by the common individual, but is now accessible to everyone through Jesus Christ (Hebrews 9:3, Mt. 27:51, Hebrews 10:15-22).

Where to go to learn more:
Brown, William. The Tabernacle: Its Priests and Services. Updated edition. Peabody, MA.: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc. 1996; 2000.

Eldersheim, Alfred. The Temple: Its Ministry and Services As They Were at the Time of Jesus Christ. Grand Rapids, MI.: Kregel Publications, 1874; 1997.

Levy, David M. The Tabernacle: Shadows of the Messiah, Its Sacrifices, Services, and Priesthood. Grand Rapids, MI.: Kregel Publications,1993; 2003.

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RE: The Drink Offering - 8/9/2008 5:42:40 PM   
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It is living sacrificially, looking out for the good of others. It is what love is and does. Not looking out for yourself but looking out for others and then pouring yourself out for them. That's what Paul did. That's what Christ did. And that's His life in us, being poured out as a drink offering, seeking their highest good.

It is not what is 'commonly understood' as the Christlife but it is a very good metaphor for the reality Jesus wants for us. It is the Christlife.
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