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Terrorists Rejoice - 9/30/2008 1:36:31 PM   
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It seems to me that Al-Qaeda should be and would be rejoicing and praising Allah right about now seeing as how things are going so well and according to plan - America was sucked into a costly war in the Mideast that contributes to economic strain and prejudices Muslims and secularists against us. Now the West is facing a serious economic crisis (from what the 'experts' say) - again all according to Al-Qaeda's plans. I think the surprise will come though when they find that it isn't Islam that comes out on top but ultimately, a twisted sort of Christianity, animism, and Judaism - I mean when and if anti-Christ shows up - whatever violent Islamic jihadists will be around then. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 9/30/2008 1:47:42 PM   
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I think the surprise will come though when they find that it isn't Islam that comes out on top but ultimately, a twisted sort of Christianity, animism, and Judaism. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 9/30/2008 2:22:46 PM   
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Really good point, raivyne.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 9/30/2008 11:18:10 PM   
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"War on terror" has not weakened al Qaeda: poll

"People across the world think the U.S.-led "war on terror" has not weakened al Qaeda and many believe it has actually strengthened Osama bin Laden's network, a poll for the BBC World Service said Monday.

The poll of almost 24,000 citizens found people in 22 out of 23 countries surveyed thought attempts to counter al Qaeda since its Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States had not weakened it."

Nice to see we are getting our money's worth from this war.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 9:57:52 AM   
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Nice to see we are getting our money's worth from this war.


Absolutely nice (wonderful in fact) no attacks on U.S. soil for 7 years; Thank you President Bush.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 10:28:11 AM   
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Nice to see we are getting our money's worth from this war.


Absolutely nice (wonderful in fact) no attacks on U.S. soil for 7 years; Thank you President Bush.

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I agree whole heartedly, RC.

Let's really look at this... 23,000 people from 23 countries - that's about 1000 people per country. I am not convinced that this is truly representative. It is really easy to find 1000 people per country that would be anti-US.

In addition, tht poll reported 40% of citizens in France, Mexico, Italy, Australia and Britain believed the "war on terror" had strengthened al Qaeda. What about the other 60%? Since they don't tell us, I would assume that 60% believe the war on terror has worked!

Thanks for that optimistic link from the BBC!
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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 10:49:40 AM   
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We didn't have one between 1993 (1995 was a domestic terrorist) and 2001 without the GWOT and before that the last attack (foreign) on US soil was Pearl Harbor. 4000+ young people didn't have to die! Can you guarantee there won't EVER be another terrorist attack on US soil?

Our country's facing bankruptcy where eight years ago we had a surplus, thank you President Bush!

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 10:57:01 AM   
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A quick rebuttal.

1. Al-Qaeda and other radical Salafist Muslims may be nominal believers of Allah, but that doesn't mean other Muslims approve of the use of violence. Just a few days ago, Muslims died in Pakistan when the Marriott was bombed. To lump AQ-types into types who "praise Allah" implies Muslims in general rejoice in a religious/spiritual manner after violence happens.
2. That Americans RALLIED around George W. Bush, under whose watch 9/11 happened, rather than demanding from him answers as to why it happened - that Americans voted him into a second term even after he blocked efforts for an investigation of 9/11 - is not surprising since his supporters talk about "no attacks since 9/11." But what about the attacks of 9/11? Bush, who was and is in charge, did not prevent the attacks even though our intelligence services had warnings about possible and even imminent attacks against America proper before September 2001. So, if Bush is to be given credit for not failing twice after he failed miserably once... I have nothing else to say.


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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 11:04:55 AM   
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We know the facts - that is for sure - no successful attacks on U.S. soil from Al-Qaeda since 9/11. No one really knows why though. We don't know if it is because President Bush's policy has been successful or because Al-Qaeda has made too many mistakes or a combination of both. We know that it is God's providential will because that is what His providence has designed to have happen - as well as 9/11 being part of His planned providence for America and the world. It isn't His moral will, obviously, which is that all men entrust themselves to His Son - the Messiah/Christ, and that we love God and love man as we love and tend to ourselves - despite what we look like in a glass mirror and in the mirror of God's word.

God bless,
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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 11:21:19 AM   
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Thanks, RichLP, for the rebuttal.

I didn't mean to communicate that all Muslims who praise Allah are participants in violent jihad. I was saying that Al-Qaeda does praise Allah though.

I agree that Muslims are killed by Al-Qaeda. In fact, mostly Muslims are killed by them. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that most Muslims are peaceful and disagree with Al-Qaeda though. We don't know why as many Muslims are as silent as they are when it comes to Al-Qaeda and their methods. We don't know if it is because of fear or because they sympathize with them. I have a sneaking suspicion that it is the latter.

I thought that was an excellent point that you bring up about a blind sort of following of Pres. Bush without standing back and analyzing the situation and rhetoric more - especially as it compares to the word of God - I want to interject here.

God bless,
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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 11:27:15 AM   
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Recommended Reading for a unstereotypical view of what Muslims think.

Who speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think

It is based upon years of polls in many Muslim countries and has a few surprises within its pages.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 11:40:36 AM   
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Thanks, Mapachito, for the recommended book. I am familiar with the author and have read a book by him that gives a general synopsis of Islam. I am totally guessing, but I would guess that he would say that most Muslims are peaceful. You hear this regularly. The only problem is that it flat out contradicts the word of God which states categorically of all men that 'the way of peace they have not known' (Rom. ch. 3). I am reluctant to believe insights into the way a group of people think as presented by someone who clearly is clueless about what men in general are truly like.

God bless,
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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 4:06:00 PM   
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A quick rebuttal.

2. That Americans RALLIED around George W. Bush, under whose watch 9/11 happened, rather than demanding from him answers as to why it happened - that Americans voted him into a second term even after he blocked efforts for an investigation of 9/11 - is not surprising since his supporters talk about "no attacks since 9/11." But what about the attacks of 9/11? Bush, who was and is in charge, did not prevent the attacks even though our intelligence services had warnings about possible and even imminent attacks against America proper before September 2001. So, if Bush is to be given credit for not failing twice after he failed miserably once... I have nothing else to say.



Rich, I hate to do this, but I need to pick this apart a bit. 911 did happen on Bush's watch, however, he was only a little more than 8 months into office. As far as his knowledge of Possible and Imminent attacks, I doubt that it was so detailed that he was told, "They are going to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings." Was he supposed to ground the air traffic based on the report? You know he couldn't do that and if he did, people like you and me would have been screaming about the government having too much power. So no, I don't blame him for the 911 attacks and I do believe he did well in the days following them. Go about a year and a half out, then I have problems with him. Now, if you want to go down that road of what could have been done to prevent it. Clinton had Bin Laden in his site. Snipers could have taken him out. They were waiting for the word from him to shoot. It never came. A few years later and 911 happened. I place more blame there than with GWB.

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RE: Terrorists Rejoice - 10/1/2008 4:57:08 PM   
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I just wanted to remind everyone especially those who said the attacks on our embassies were attacks on US soil (Nairobi and the one in Tanzania) we just got hit at our embassy in Yemen. That makes it an attack on US soil. I'm only using the Crosswalk let's bash Clinton method of arriving at the conclusion of what is US soil however. I am sure that a different rule applies to what just happened in Yemen?

As for the polls they are global and not every country has done so well since 9/11. For example terrorist attacks worldwide increased 4 fold from 2005 compared to 2004:

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The number of terrorist attacks worldwide increased nearly fourfold in 2005 to 11,111, with strikes in Iraq accounting for 30 percent of the total, according to statistics released by U.S. counterterrorism officials yesterday.

Although only half of the incidents resulted in loss of life, more than 14,600 noncombatants were killed, a majority of them in Iraq alone and 80 percent in the Near East and South Asia. American nonmilitary deaths totaled 56.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042802181_pf.html

2006:

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WASHINGTON - Terrorist attacks worldwide shot up 25 percent last year, particularly in Iraq where extremists used chemical weapons and suicide bombers to target crowds, according to a new State Department report.

Among countries, Iran remains the biggest supporter of terrorism, with elements of its government backing groups throughout the Middle East, particularly in Iraq, giving material support and guidance to Shiite insurgent groups that have attacked Sunnis, U.S. and Iraqi forces, the report said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399660/

Here is all I could find for 2007 there is an interesting chart comparing 2005, 2006 and 2007 towards the bottom here is a quick summary:

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Approximately 14,000 terrorist attacks occurred in various countries during 2007, resulting in over 22,000 deaths. Compared to 2006, attacks remained approximately the same in 2007 while deaths rose by 1,800, a 9 percent increase from last year’s number. As was the case in the previous two years, the largest number of reported attacks and deaths occurred in Near East and South Asia. These two regions accounted for about 87 percent of the 355 casualty attacks that killed 10 or more people—only 45 casualty attacks occurred in Africa, East Asia & Pacific, Europe & Eurasia, and Western Hemisphere.

* Of the 14,499 reported attacks, almost 43 percent—about 6,200—occurred in Iraq where approximately 13,600 fatalities—60 percent of the worldwide total—were reported for 2007.
* Violence against non-combatants in Africa, particularly related to attacks associated with turmoil in or near Somalia, Kenya and Niger, rose 96 percent in 2007, totaling 835 attacks in comparison to approximately 425 attacks reported for 2006.
* Fighting in Afghanistan intensified during the past year, resulting in 1,127 attacks and a 16 percent increase over the approximately 970 attacks reported for 2006.
* The number of reported attacks in 2007 fell in the Western Hemisphere by 42 percent, in Europe and Eurasia by 8 percent, and in South Asia by almost 7 percent.


http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/103716.htm

On behalf of myself and over 300,000,000 Americans I would like to thank the rest of the world for dying for us in this war on terror. If they weren't killing all of you (especially in Iraq) they'd be killing us.

/sarcasm off

The others who say essentially the same thing are serious.

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