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Scripture ? - 8/1/2008 8:49:05 PM
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skirk55
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In 2 Timothy 3:14-17 What does the word scripture mean? This is the first question with my bible study and I am a little lost! Any help from anyone?
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/1/2008 11:15:16 PM
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'The only antidote against a world of apostasy is the revealed scripture of the Word of God. The only resource and recourse for the child of God is the revealed scripture of the Word of God. Paul tells Timothy to continue in the things he had learned. He had learned the Holy Scriptures(by memorization, application and obedience)because his grandmother and mother were Jewish women and had seen to it that Timothy grew up on the Word of God.'(McGee, J. V. Thru the Bible (electronic ed.)
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/2/2008 1:36:03 AM
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BerianAardvark
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ORIGINAL: skirk55
In 2 Timothy 3:14-17 What does the word scripture mean? This is the first question with my bible study and I am a little lost! Any help from anyone?
I was going to cite J Vernon, but LCannon beat me to it.
So I will cite the Believer's Bible Commentary instead.
3:14 Time and time again, Timothy is reminded to continue steadfastly in the teachings of the word of God. This would be his great resource in a day when false doctrines would abound on every hand. If he knew and obeyed the Scriptures, he would not be led away by these subtle errors.
Timothy had not only learned the great truths of the faith, but he had become personally assured of them as well. Doubtless he would be told that such teachings were old-fashioned and not sufficiently cultural or intellectual. But he should not abandon truth for theories or human speculations.
The apostle further counsels him to remember from whom he had learned these truths. There is some difference of opinion as to whether the word whom refers to Paul himself, Timothy's mother and grandmother, or the apostles in general. In any case, the thought is that the Sacred Scriptures had been taught to him by those whose lives witnessed to the reality of their faith. They were godly people who lived with a single eye to the glory of God.
3:15 This is a most suggestive verse. The thought is that from childhood Timothy had known the sacred writings or letters. There is even the thought here that when his mother taught him his ABC's, she did so by using portions of the OT Scriptures. From infancy, he had been under the influence of the inspired writings, and under no circumstances should he forget that blessed Book which had molded his life for God and for good.
The Holy Scriptures are spoken of as being continually able to make men wise for salvation. This means, first of all, that men learn the way of salvation through the Bible. It might also carry the thought that assurance of salvation comes through the word of God.
Salvation is through faith which is in Christ Jesus. We should mark this well. It is not through good works, baptism, church membership, confirmation, obeying the Ten Commandments, keeping the Golden Rule, or in any other way that involves human effort or merit. Salvation is through faith in the Son of God.
3:16 When Paul speaks of all Scripture, he is definitely referring to the complete OT, but also to those portions of the NT that were then in existence. In 1Ti_5:18, he quotes the Gospel of Luke (Luk_10:7) as Scripture. And Peter speaks of Paul's Epistles as Scriptures (2Pe_3:16). Today we are justified in applying the verse to the entire Bible.
This is one of the most important verses in the Bible on the subject of inspiration. It teaches that the Scriptures are God-breathed. In a miraculous way, He communicated His word to men and led them to write it down for permanent preservation. What they wrote was the very word of God, inspired and infallible. While it is true that the individual literary style of the writer was not destroyed, it is also true that the very words he used were words given to him by the Holy Spirit. Thus we read in 1Co_2:13 : “These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” If this verse says anything at all, it says that the inspired writers used WORDS which the Holy Spirit taught. This is what is meant by verbal inspiration.
The writers of the Bible did not give their own private interpretation of things, but wrote the message which was given to them by God. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2Pe_1:20-21).
It is false to say that God simply gave the thoughts to the individual writers and allowed them to express these thoughts in their own words. The truth insisted on in the Scriptures is that the very words originally given by God to men were God-breathed.
Because the Bible is the word of God, it is profitable. Every portion of it is profitable. Although man might wonder about some of the genealogies or obscure passages, yet the Spirit-taught mind will realize that there is spiritual nourishment in every word that has proceeded from the mouth of God.
The Bible is profitable for doctrine, or teaching. It sets forth the mind of God with regard to such themes as the Trinity, angels, man, sin, salvation, sanctification, the church, and future events.
Again, it is profitable for reproof. As we read the Bible, it speaks to us pointedly concerning those things in our lives which are displeasing to God. Also, it is profitable for refuting error and for answering the tempter.
Again, the word is profitable for correction. It not only points out what is wrong but sets forth the way in which it can be made right. For instance, the Scriptures not only say, “Let him who stole steal no longer,” but add, “Rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need.” The first part of the verse might be considered as reproof, whereas the second part is correction.
Finally, the Bible is profitable for instruction in righteousness. The grace of God teaches us to live godly lives, but the word of God traces out in detail the things which go to make up a godly life.
3:17 Through the word, the man of God may be complete or mature. He is thoroughly equipped with all that he needs to bring forth every good work which makes up the goal of his salvation (Eph_2:8-10). This is in sharp contrast to the modern ideas of being equipped by means of academic degrees.
Lenski writes:
The Scripture is thus absolutely incomparable; no other book, library, or anything else in the world is able to make a lost sinner wise for salvation; no other scripture, since it lacks inspiration of God, whatever profit it may otherwise afford, is profitable for these ends: teaching us the true saving facts—refuting the lies and the delusions that deny these facts —restoring the sinner or fallen Christian to an upright position—educating, training, disciplining one in genuine righteousness.
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/3/2008 10:31:30 AM
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PeterD
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In 2 Timothy 3:14-17 What does the word scripture mean? This is the first question with my bible study and I am a little lost! Any help from anyone?
Good morning skirk55,
2 Timothy 3:14-17
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God
14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. (ESV)
Sacred Scripture is one of the several names denoting the inspired writings which make up the Old and New Testament.
This website will further explain what Scripture is.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm
Peter
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/3/2008 5:56:20 PM
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Sonelta
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Sacred Scripture is one of the several names denoting the inspired writings which make up the Old and New Testament.
Most likely that Paul is referring to the Old Testament since the New Testament was not "in production" at the time of writing. Makes an interesting thought really since many Christians today read only the New Testament. Maybe we should go back into the Old more?!?
Also skirk55 if you want to find out more about the meaning of a particular word you can try looking it up in STRONG'S HEBREW/GREEK concordance. Check it out on the following site:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ti/2Ti003.html#14
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1121&t=kjv
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/3/2008 8:00:33 PM
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BerianAardvark
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Sacred Scripture is one of the several names denoting the inspired writings which make up the Old and New Testament.
Most likely that Paul is referring to the Old Testament since the New Testament was not "in production" at the time of writing. Makes an interesting thought really since many Christians today read only the New Testament. Maybe we should go back into the Old more?!?
Also skirk55 if you want to find out more about the meaning of a particular word you can try looking it up in STRONG'S HEBREW/GREEK concordance. Check it out on the following site:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ti/2Ti003.html#14
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1121&t=kjv
What do you mean by "in production"? The time of writing WAS when the New Testament scriptures were in production, they weren't officially recognized as cannon, but a great deal of what we know of the New Testament was already considered to be scripture even in the first century. Peter (who died in Ad 67) had no doubt that at least some of Paul's letters were scripture.
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:14-16)
Tim
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/6/2008 2:32:35 PM
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robto
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A couple problems with the answers posted so far:
1) "Scripture" literally means, simply, "writings." Early Christians used the word to refer to many writings, some of which are not included in our Bibles. Even Plato's works could be called "Scripture." So, skirk55, you are correct to be confused about what this term means. No one really knows what the author had in mind, specifically, by the term.
"Holy scripture" is more specific, of course, and would normally have referred to the Jewish scriptures if used by a Jew. It is not so clear when Christians first began calling Christian writings "holy scripture" - probably sometime in the second century AD. But there wasn't a clear definition of WHICH Christian writings constitute holy scripture until the fourth century AD.
2) 2 Timothy was probably not written by Paul. The style and vocabulary are too different from Paul's. We know that many letters were forged in Paul's name. Some (like 3 Corinthians) were even included in early Bibles. So, just because a letter claims to have been written by Paul, we can't be sure that it WAS written by Paul. 2 Timothy is probably a case where a forged letter was eventually accepted into the canon because the early church leaders liked its message.
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RE: Scripture ? - 8/6/2008 3:37:57 PM
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2) 2 Timothy was probably not written by Paul. The style and vocabulary are too different from Paul's. We know that many letters were forged in Paul's name. Some (like 3 Corinthians) were even included in early Bibles. So, just because a letter claims to have been written by Paul, we can't be sure that it WAS written by Paul. 2 Timothy is probably a case where a forged letter was eventually accepted into the canon because the early church leaders liked its message.
Actually, there is plenty of evidence that Paul did in fact write the "pastoral Letters" (1 & 2 Timothy, and Titus), and most biblical scholars date these three letters between Paul's first imprisonment in Rome (c. A.D. 60-62) and his second (67 or 68).
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