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Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 1:44:04 PM
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His_4_Ever
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I suppose this kind of thing O.K. since babies were saved.
POLICE raids have revealed an alleged network baby "farms" or "factories" in Nigeria, forcing a new look at the scope of people trafficking in the country.
At a hospital in Enugu, a large city in Nigeria's southeast, 20 teenage girls were rescued in May in a police swoop on what was believed to be one of the largest infant trafficking rings in the west African country.
The two-storey building on a dusty street in Enugu's teeming Uwani district now stands deserted, shutters down.
Neighbours had long found something bizarre about the establishment, where there was virtually no activity during the day, they said.
The doctor in charge, who is now on trial, reportedly lured teenagers with unwanted pregnancies by offering to help with abortion.
One is where desperate teenagers with unplanned pregnancies, fearing ostracism by society, get lured to a clinic and are forced to turn over their babies.
The doctor, whom police named, "had been inviting boys to come and impregnate girls," said Mr Agu.
The girls are so intimidated many can hardly relate their experience freely.
But one brave victim, an 18-year-old, who asked not to be named for fear of reprisal, recounted her week-long ordeal when she was trapped inside one of the clinics days before it was raided by police.
"The moment I stepped in there, I was given an injection, I passed out and next thing I woke up and realised I had been raped," said the girl, who was five months pregnant at the time of her ordeal.
When she asked if she could telephone her family to let them know of her whereabouts, the doctor slapped her on the face.
She was shoved into a room where 19 other girls were kept; all had been through a similar experience. She said the doctor raped her again the following day. A week later police swooped on the clinic.
FULL STORY HERE
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 1:52:08 PM
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This kills me.
I want to punch someone in the face...
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 2:15:29 PM
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Wow, and Nigeria has a Naational Health Care program like the libs want here in the States.
Sad situation.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 3:43:20 PM
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I suppose this kind of thing O.K. since babies were saved.
I am not at all sure what you mean by this, although I am certain I do not want to hear the answer.
The situation is incredibly sad. Forcibly impregnating girls so that their babies can be sold is not something anyone I know would be in favor of.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 3:56:09 PM
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I suppose this kind of thing O.K. since babies were saved.
I am not at all sure what you mean by this, although I am certain I do not want to hear the answer.
I am *hoping* she just meant that it ended well because all the girls there with babies were freed out of that prison.
Of course, I don't know how long this perv had this going on, and how many did not survive prior.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 4:01:36 PM
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I suppose this kind of thing O.K. since babies were saved.
In debate, this is what they call in "straw man" argument. It is considered an underhanded tactic, but is used by some when they are unable to defend their position on the merits of their argument alone. The idea is to posit a false premise to engage the opposing team into defending themselves against this false premise instead of adequately presenting the arguments that support their cause.
The straw man in this case is: "This kind of thing is OK".
The pro-life perspective does not say that the "This kind of thing is OK"; that is the "straw man". Those on both sides of this issue acknowledge that what happened in the article you presented was wrong, so lets deal with the real issue. The real issue is that those who believe in pro-choice believe that destroying unborn babies is OK when the mother chooses to do so. Why do you believe this is OK?
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 6:25:18 PM
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quote:
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I suppose this kind of thing O.K. since babies were saved.
In debate, this is what they call in "straw man" argument. It is considered an underhanded tactic, but is used by some when they are unable to defend their position on the merits of their argument alone. The idea is to posit a false premise to engage the opposing team into defending themselves against this false premise instead of adequately presenting the arguments that support their cause.
The straw man in this case is: "This kind of thing is OK".
The pro-life perspective does not say that the "This kind of thing is OK"; that is the "straw man". Those on both sides of this issue acknowledge that what happened in the article you presented was wrong, so lets deal with the real issue. The real issue is that those who believe in pro-choice believe that destroying unborn babies is OK when the mother chooses to do so. Why do you believe this is OK?
I was just making a statement based on other conversations I've either had or read on the forums. Why, some of you read more into things than is there is really annoying. I had not planned on debating anyone. I believe females have the right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies, this isn't to say I approve of abortion. I do feel there are sometimes mitigating circumstances that need to be considered. Birth control doesn't always work, of course unmarried people shouldn't be having sex. The men/boys involved tend to get off scott free while the female is the one left to deal with the situation. I'm mostly just concerned with those 19 and younger. I don't think women any older should be having abortions, because they are old enough to know better. I think when its a life or death medical reason, women should be able to get abortions, but some pro-lifers are even against this. This didn't come out quite like I wanted, but you probably get the jest.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 6:39:18 PM
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You said: "I believe females have the right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies."
What is the scriptural basis for believing a woman's "right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies", takes precedence of her babies right to live?
You said: "The men/boys involved tend to get off scott free while the female is the one left to deal with the situation."
Do you realize that when men/boys get a woman pregnant that they have no say in whether the baby is born or not, but if the woman chooses to have the baby, they are required by law to support the baby until adulthood. And quite often the greater burden for financial support is given to that man/boy by the courts while he is often denied by the courts equal rights to raise the child he is supporting unless the woman chooses to relinquish her "rights." It seems to me that the woman gets the worst part of the deal for about 9 months, but the man gets the worst part of the deal for the next 18 years. Hardly seems like he gets off "scott free" to me.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 8:25:43 PM
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You said: "I believe females have the right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies."
What is the scriptural basis for believing a woman's "right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies", takes precedence of her babies right to live?
What is the scriptural basis for them not having that right? If we are going to play that game then men shouldn't get vasectomies and all forms of contraceptives should be done away. We shouldn't interfere with God's natural design for humans to have babies. Not allowing life to be created is just as bad as not letting it be born.
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You said: "The men/boys involved tend to get off scott free while the female is the one left to deal with the situation."
Do you realize that when men/boys get a woman pregnant that they have no say in whether the baby is born or not, but if the woman chooses to have the baby, they are required by law to support the baby until adulthood. And quite often the greater burden for financial support is given to that man/boy by the courts while he is often denied by the courts equal rights to raise the child he is supporting unless the woman chooses to relinquish her "rights." It seems to me that the woman gets the worst part of the deal for about 9 months, but the man gets the worst part of the deal for the next 18 years. Hardly seems like he gets off "scott free" to me.
When a girl gets pregnant 99% of the time the guy will intimidate the girl into having an abortion. 99 out of 100 of the boys responsible will take off the minute they're told their about to become a Dada. What's even worse is their parents will help them to get away. Do you have any idea how hard it is to your case through the public court system? You have to pay for the DNA tests for the baby,mother and father not the court. Do you how hard it is to track down an elusive father? Do you have any idea how backed up the public court system is? The men/boys aren't usually denied equal rights if they really want them. If the guy doesn't run off you've lucked out. Poor men, they usually don't pay than the women, it's the woman who pays more. Most of these guys unless they are college educated don't make squat.
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 8:38:49 PM
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RE: Police raids reveal 'baby farms' - 11/15/2008 8:51:49 PM
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What is the scriptural basis for them not having that right? If we are going to play that game then men shouldn't get vasectomies and all forms of contraceptives should be done away. We shouldn't interfere with God's natural design for humans to have babies. Not allowing life to be created is just as bad as not letting it be born.
There is a GRAND difference between a human being, the baby, the conceptus - and spilled ejaculate. Sorry to be crass, but in an age of scientific enlightenment I find it hard that you cannot see the distinction.
EDIT: Moderator - sorry, did not see your post until I had posted.
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