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Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/6/2008 2:18:48 PM
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hjemerson
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Okay I have a question WHY? We are now working in the youth. Husband is the youth leader/worship leader. We are at local SBC our church is small under 50 most weeks all over 50 yr age wise the youth are from the community not the church. we have no young couples or children under 10 then only 4 that come. Okay that the history we have been at the church 2 yr now as worship leader PT and now in the youth group (Which is hd calling)The youth are small and are making great step to learning the Word and we have a month activity(game nigh,skating,etc) We ask the Pasor to come at least stop by but He always just passes. He states He(/They the church )want to see the youth grow but the kids just do not come , When I was a youth my pastor was involed and so in turn I enjoy coming to my church It made the Pastor more of a reg, person to me as a young person, I have talked with some othe Youth leader they see the same thing! Any Ieal fom other> Our pastor id FT and the the actitvisy are plan weeks in advance and local , the pastor is in his 40 and has grown children so it just him and his wife so i know he could made a drop by, (He only been a pastor 6 yr so maybe he doe not understand the need for a relationship with the youth? Thank fpr any ideals!
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/6/2008 2:39:23 PM
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rcjames
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Sure, ask the Pastor if you can assemble all the yourh for a teaching from the Pastor.
Many times Pastors are conscentrating on the purely spiritual (salvation, Godly living, etc.) and do have a hard time relating to what passes for youth programs; pizza parties, games, music,and lots of activities, but little or no John 3:16 and Acts 2:38.
Offer the Pastor a chance to help give a balanced approach to the youth and I feel sure that he will.
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/6/2008 3:50:34 PM
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We ask the Pasor to come at least stop by but He always just passes. He states He(/They the church )want to see the youth grow but the kids just do not come , When I was a youth my pastor was involed and so in turn I enjoy coming to my church It made the Pastor more of a reg, person to me as a young person, I have talked with some othe Youth leader they see the same thing! Any Ieal fom other> Our pastor id FT and the the actitvisy are plan weeks in advance and local , the pastor is in his 40 and has grown children so it just him and his wife so i know he could made a drop by, (He only been a pastor 6 yr so maybe he doe not understand the need for a relationship with the youth? Thank fpr any ideals!
A pastor that is NOT interested in the youth/children's ministries??? You've gotta be kidding!.....
I bet the pastor is very much involved in the "adult ministries" (be they seniors or whatever).....
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and do have a hard time relating to what passes for youth programs; pizza parties, games, music,and lots of activities, but little or no John 3:16 and Acts 2:38.
and, some just do not understand the IMPORTANCE of a good youth program.....nor realize that John 3:16 and Acts 2:38 happens there AS MUCH, if not more, within the youth than anywhere else in the church.
a pastor that simply "does not have time" for the youth...has no business being a Pastor. A pastor is to be there for ALL...
on these boards, people regularly cite the "statistics" that young people/youth are not following through and attending church once they get older and leave home (or even "dropping out" from church in high school).....it's pastor's like yours who cause those things to happen.
i'd be finding another church....with a pastor who actually cares.
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/6/2008 6:16:49 PM
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jn1010lf
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Hello hjemerson
I think your pastor is dead, I mean spiritually dead. Your church needs some good old fasioned Holy Ghost eruption. As you can see, I'm not a member of any SBC church. I think God wants life in His children.
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/7/2008 10:46:34 AM
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hjemerson
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Thanks and keep the help coming I do feel like the Pastor is just settling ! But we have a heart for the youth and want to see the growth with them Please pray that out Pastor will get the sprit and see the need for the middle age and youth of our community . As it is now He preaches a good bible base sermon and does all the things The Sr in the church (People that put the money in) Want the He will visit etc and go with them on a day trip but again I want to see him come and be part of us In the past few year ago we had a pastor in another church another state that did not take part because his teens were in the group after a youth camp many of them told me thety wanted to see more and get to know the pastor( more than just up on the plform) after that I spoke and He started in the group once a month or so it changed the lifes of many out of the group and several have when on to become men of God because thay saw you can be a servaint of God and still have a Life! Please do not think I am talking bad About my pastor as it may look I love Him Pray for Him and Know he can and will follow the Lords will ! Just when ?( he stared and became a pastor in his late 30 after desideing to follow the Lords will) He is now in the 40 an has grown adult son.daughter) As I said this is his frist church and It was and is still most over 50 most in 60-70 age range . When he came and has not grown . He tell us he has a vison but I do not know if he know how to get it started . We/He want to build a family life center >the church has the base fund money but the older folks do not want to go in to debit, (I call it faith) They said they want some change but then as we try slowly they complain, we explain it Lords lead we will seek His will! I just want My pastor to step out of his box and try somthing new (But again He has a good comforatable place why change?)I Know PRAY << Thanks for any body that listen I do not want to talk to any one near I do not want it to sound like gossip I just ask for pray and advive Thanks again!
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/7/2008 11:18:32 AM
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rcjames
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hjemerson
You stress that you want the Pastor to come and be part of the group, how about asking the Pastor to bring a message to the group.
His porblem may not be with "Youth" per say, but with all the extra stuff that usually goes on in modern youth groups (noise, games, etc) that he may (rightly or worngly) consider irrevelant or even worldly.
I would venture to say that any Pastor will bring a message if ask, it is that some just don't like to do it during a food fight or with everyone giving each other wedgies.
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/7/2008 11:37:16 AM
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... after that I spoke and He started in the group once a month or so it changed the lifes of many out of the group and several have when on to become men of God because thay saw you can be a servaint of God and still have a Life!
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Would you be so kind as to expand on the part about 'being a servant of God and still have a life.
I probably am misunderstanding your point, but it sounds a little strange to me.
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RC
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/8/2008 10:31:56 AM
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hjemerson
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Thanks I understand the not want to get in the noise, messy stuff(sometimes I may not want all that but it bring the youth and they listen to the word in message time) etc But we are not that wild I talking about a bonfire, broad game night things But even if we did do mess things I feel as the pastor/ He should want to at least drop in.
As for "still have a life" We as adult know Pastor are people but many time Youth and some adults put the Pastor up on a peistal and thing they are so out of touch ( and some are ) (But I do not feel this about our pastor) Why they may even want to ask God to use them in a Pasoral way, It was a easier for young men in or past group to come to him later( they said) after seening the pastor in jeans and tee shirt out of church to ask question and seek advice as they got older,
I will ask in a more straight to the point if we have a special event if he will give a short message that the Lord may give him at a activity . Maybe that will give the comfort he may need to know we/youth will respect him and If he Ask the Lord for a Message He will get what is Needed for our group If that doen not work I will KEEP ON Praying, ! I really think if he came he would enjoy his self and the youth would enjoy him also I just do not think he maybe had or was in a any type of youth actitvity has was a teen or maybe his own son/daughter teens did not have a good expercance in a youth group.
As we were in Bible College few yrs ago Men who were not raised in church /in a youth group some time did not understand the imporant( or even the other understood if that if thay had been in a youth group how IMPORTANT A YOUTH GROUP CAN BE FOR A CHURCH. and YOUNG PERSON!) Remember I said SOME not all But I feel some times Because the youth do bring in the money (MANY time as in our church parent are not in the church) The Pastor only minstrys to the age that dose for our church it the over 60 group. ( Don"t get me wrong our group is supported and the pastor does not allow fund raiser so we have a small budget which we use as needed ) So we have a good set up I just guess I want to get out of the BOX and do things for the Lord!
"Serving HIM" HJE
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/8/2008 2:06:40 PM
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That is about 3 times you mention "Bringing the money", and I doubt if that is a consideration of the Pastor at all, but it sure seems to be high on your list. You might want to examine why you think that way.
Again I say that if you want the Pastor to bring a teaching to the youth then set up something with him. Some Pastors are just not into the Jeans and games thingy (rightly or wrongly), but they are into bringing Jesus and salvation to every one.
Look its like that add on TV where the lady says I am not your friend I am your mother.
The Pastor is not their buddy, he is their Pastor and Spiritual leader. Now some folks can seeming be both, but neither way is bad. And in all honesty sometimes it is difficult to be the Spiritual leader and counsler when you are thier buddy
And then there is always the possibility your Pastor is an idiot, but provbably not.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/8/2008 9:54:44 PM
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hjemerson
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I guess the reason I think that is because he seem to just ingage with the people that hold the :"money bag" as you could said in the church , If they want to fix something that not really broken as a door (Been broke for months and is really not a problem) (just as example) it is done but when it comes to doing something as, say starting a bulding fund or investion in a power point that would improve the service,( these are two things he has told me and several others he wants to do and feels it is needed, But will not step out on faith, the treasurer /truster/ does not want to, ) He has has told me :the people that have stayed thur the splits in the past 9 yrs and call him, were money shy on new things, So at times I see him pleaseing them , But that not really a problem , The church support us, as if someone that have not family (several are from slingle parent or live with grand parents) and if we have a activie some will alway ask how they can help out,
I guess the Question was maybe for me how we could invite the Pastor, I do feel he needs to be a friend and a teacher,shepard is to the young flock, But I feel for now that is our Love for them and our job to Serve the Lord thur teaching and sharing the Gospel with them and pray if it is the Lords will the pastor will want to or be lead to come and join in.
One of the reasons I asked was is this something that others see, or pretty normal ,
Our desire is to be where the Lord want us and doing What He has for us to do in working with these youth, At this we know this is where we are to be! or we would not be here, As the year goes on we will contunie to serve and teach with words and by example! Thanks for the comment , I am open to any and all But most of all Pray ! His will will be done, Thanks again!
PS : RC I just order your book I can wait to read it,
Are you on the 2nd one yet!
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/9/2008 8:09:02 AM
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I guess the Question was maybe for me how we could invite the Pastor
May I suggest that you start where the Pastor is most comfortable; Ask him if you can bring the youth group to the Sanctuary for him to give a message to the youth. Explain that you wish the youth to get acclimated to a "Normal" Church service, but would like for him to teach just the youth on that occasion and teach on their level. I feel he would respond in the positive.
Then maybe, just maybe, he will respond to coming by your youth meetings after he has make connections. Look hfemerson, I am not saying that your group is weird or bad, but over the years I have been exposed to some youth groups that needed a board on thier butts, and it was well easy to understand a Pastor's reluctance to "Drop by".
As for me personally, our youth group does a lot of activities outside the Church together, some of them are "Faith" related as in visiting the nursing homes, orther are "Fun" related as in trips to theme parks, pizza places, etc. The favorite is the times I take them to the drag races at Thunder Valley Raceway. Then when they are at Church they are taught, they seek counsel of which they get, and besides the youth meetings, they come to the regular worship services in which they are very well behaved. It is possible to have fun, and lean of the oracles of God.
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PS RC I just order your book I can wait to read it, Are you on the 2nd one yet!
I am going to retire from full time ministry in a few months as I will be 66, and devote all my time to writing (and posting on Crosswalk  ). I also have a number of invites for revivals and to hold seminars; but wiritng will be my number one goal.
Please PM or email me with your honest opinion of the book after you read it as I value your and anyother Crosswalk posters input.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Pastor that are not involed with youth progam. - 11/9/2008 5:20:46 PM
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hjemerson
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Thank RC for the advice I do understand the need for our youth to know Church as in the services and etc. I too have seem youth that needed the lesson on the way to act in God House .
We have plans :
are program up to teaching on wed night (Bible /Getting in the WORD each day is a goal)
and then durning the month we do a community activitie as visting the shut in etc
/then a fun activity as skating.putt-putting
I sure with the advice you have give me and the other !
And Pray the pastor will come around and see the Love the youth have for Christ and how they cam be a plus to our church!
Next will be engaging the youths friends/family to see the church as aplace they can come and find Christ
All thur example/work/prays this will come in time! (God's time)
All for the Glory of Christ!
Thanks again for the advice and any more anyone can add!
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