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Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/3/2008 9:18:57 PM
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ManimalX
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This is a bit of a spin-off from the "What is CCM Lacking?" thread.
Rather than pontificate on how great a 10 minute Clapton solo is, or the adrenaline that pumps during a finger-shredding SRV romp, I will just ask: Where did the guitar solo go and why is it absent in Christian music? There are a ton of great Christian guitar players in Christian music, so why is it that all we get is a 10 second fill between verses or at the end of a bridge? Why are Christian guitarists held back and not allowed to let their fingers lead some worship? Are worship leaders afraid that a guitar solo somehow detracts from musical worship?
Does anyone know of any Christian musicians who aren't afraid to just let the guitar rip?
For example:
Degarmo & Key used to go on 4 or 5 minute organ and guitar rips.
Lincoln Brewster is an awesome guitarist. He has a few songs that he extends the guitar solo a bit on. Hopefully he does this more in future projects.
Thieves & Liars ROCK on their new album, and are not afraid of their instruments.
Decemberadio lets their guitar play a lot, too.
Who else?
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/3/2008 9:44:05 PM
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As someone who, for several years, basically lived and breathed Steve Vai and Dream Theater, I find most solos to be kind of boring and musically unnecessary. If a solo supports the song, great. If not, then it's really just showing off. *yawn*
To answer your question, yes, I would be a bit distracted if a guitar player stepped out in church for an extended solo. If it's part of a no-singing vamp where he's playing off the other band members or its a tasteful transition between song sections, that's fine. But if it's just for the guy to wank for a chorus or two, then I'll pass.
Actually, ya know what - I don't get into the singing in church anyways. I always pay attention to what the band's doing and how things sound. I don't get into the hypnotic trance that seems to be the goal of "worship" music, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
-Dan.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/3/2008 10:18:42 PM
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ManimalX
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I hear what you are saying, Dan. I spend a lot of time observing the musicians, too.
Honestly, I am definitely a lyric guy. I generally think that a song is a vehicle for a message. BUT as a big blues fan, I also love it when an instrument, in this case a guitar, gets to tell part of the story, too.
It drives me nuts at church when you can tell one of the guitarists is really "feeling it" and starts to rip a little, but then gets reigned in by the pastor or the worship leader.
My former church (my parents and most o my friends still go there) has a member named Dave Beegle. He is one of the best guitarists I have ever heard and plays with the worship band once in a while. They keep him on the tightest leash you could imagine. I understand not wanting to make worship about a performance, but skill on a musical instrument is an awesome thing.
BTW, here are some Dave Beegle clips if you have never heard him. The third clip of 'Sandy's Painting' off of his 'Beyond the Desert' album is my fav Beegle song, and the fourth clip of 'Breaking Through the Clouds' will make you move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-FHTXUqEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6GoRCAkfQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyyngKCx4Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtyfOM4_DC4&feature=related
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/3/2008 11:33:35 PM
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I will just ask: Where did the guitar solo go and why is it absent in Christian music? There are a ton of great Christian guitar players in Christian music, so why is it that all we get is a 10 second fill between verses or at the end of a bridge? Why are Christian guitarists held back and not allowed to let their fingers lead some worship? Are worship leaders afraid that a guitar solo somehow detracts from musical worship?
Hasn't the solo disappeared from most all mainstream rock music and just in the last year or two making a comeback? If so, that may be part of your answer.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 3:38:53 AM
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I don't know. I haven't listened to any new mainstream/secular music in about 7 or 8 years, except for when John Mayer first got popular (my wife liked his first big label album).
I wonder why the trend.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 8:03:01 AM
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I hear what you are saying, Dan. I spend a lot of time observing the musicians, too.
Honestly, I am definitely a lyric guy. I generally think that a song is a vehicle for a message. BUT as a big blues fan, I also love it when an instrument, in this case a guitar, gets to tell part of the story, too.
It drives me nuts at church when you can tell one of the guitarists is really "feeling it" and starts to rip a little, but then gets reigned in by the pastor or the worship leader.
Just speaking in general terms, I still wonder if the song is supported by the solo. At the place where I work, most of the music we work is either math rock or very stones-esque, so I've come to appreciate less flashy arrangement styles and seeing how different parts work to build a whole composition rather than just standing out individually.
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My former church (my parents and most o my friends still go there) has a member named Dave Beegle. He is one of the best guitarists I have ever heard and plays with the worship band once in a while. They keep him on the tightest leash you could imagine. I understand not wanting to make worship about a performance, but skill on a musical instrument is an awesome thing.
I got to mix Dave Beegle once when he and Danny Oertli played at my church a few years ago. I remember he still had a flyer in his guitar case from when he opened for Ian Anderson. I've got a couple Fourth Estate cd's floating around here somewhere.
-Dan.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 8:18:02 AM
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You guys need to run, not walk, to your local Best Buy and buy "Alter Bridge". Their second album "Blackbird" has extra songs on the Best Buy version!
Scott Tremonti does some awesome axe work on their two albums. And he plays with emotion as well as his technical prowess. IOW, he's not just "showing off" but everything fits. It not a song interrupted by a guitar solo but the solo fits seamlessly into the song.
Some people who don't like Creed (his ex-band) and that keeps them from buying them but owning all the albums from both groups I can say that Alter Bridge freed him to be more creative on guitar. The seven minute song has returned!
BTW, they are Christians and their lyrics reflect that outlook although if you judge by JPM's they'd fail that test.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 10:16:40 AM
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I blame grunge for the reason why mainstream rock and metal bands have no solos.LOL
Mapachito, I must be on the other side of the fence with that. I loved Creed and really didn't care for Alter Bridge. I guess its because it isn't Stapp singing. I remember when I first started colege and my mom bought me Creed tickets for a gif. One of the best shows I have ever seen. The whole show ruled from start to finish with Finger 11 (what hapened to these guys) and Virgos Merlot opening.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 1:21:10 PM
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I blame grunge for the reason why mainstream rock and metal bands have no solos.LOL
Mapachito, I must be on the other side of the fence with that. I loved Creed and really didn't care for Alter Bridge. I guess its because it isn't Stapp singing. I remember when I first started colege and my mom bought me Creed tickets for a gif. One of the best shows I have ever seen. The whole show ruled from start to finish with Finger 11 (what hapened to these guys) and Virgos Merlot opening.
That is true and speed metal and thrash are also populated with bands with non-soloing guitarists or guitarists that solo badly. The thing is a good solo doesn't need to have the guitarist going all crazy over the fretboard and using his whammy bar until you'll think it'll break off from the strain. It can be simple but needs to fit in with the song's continuity. I've heard some groups sound like the guitarist wrote the solo first and then tried to write a song around it.
As an example of a good but simple solo take David Gilmour's solo in Pink Floyd's song "Comfortably Numb". It's simple, emotive in its playing and never fails to give me goosebumps!
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 3:40:26 PM
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I blame grunge for the reason why mainstream rock and metal bands have no solos.LOL
Mapachito, I must be on the other side of the fence with that. I loved Creed and really didn't care for Alter Bridge. I guess its because it isn't Stapp singing. I remember when I first started colege and my mom bought me Creed tickets for a gif. One of the best shows I have ever seen. The whole show ruled from start to finish with Finger 11 (what hapened to these guys) and Virgos Merlot opening.
Finger Eleven are still playing music, they have a top 40 hit with Paralyzer and an album out. Here's a website for you to check out.
http://www.fingereleven.com/
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 4:51:03 PM
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Giggles thanks for the info. I forgot that they did the song Paralyze. I really wish that Virgos Merlot had not broken up. They were an excellent band, the first band that I ever saw with 3 guitar players (not including bass). I really need to pick up some Dark New Day though, because the singer from Virgos Merlot is the singer for that band.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/4/2008 9:58:08 PM
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I blame grunge for the reason why mainstream rock and metal bands have no solos.LOL
A lot of the more popular grunge was really good music. Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains... There's a video on YouTube of Butch Vig going through the multitrack of Nirvana's "In Bloom" that every music fan should watch. It game me a new (or really, a first) appreciation of that song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MzHTw0qO4
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Mapachito, I must be on the other side of the fence with that. I loved Creed and really didn't care for Alter Bridge. I guess its because it isn't Stapp singing. I remember when I first started colege and my mom bought me Creed tickets for a gif. One of the best shows I have ever seen. The whole show ruled from start to finish with Finger 11 (what hapened to these guys) and Virgos Merlot opening.
I didn't really care for either. Mark Tremonti never did anything for me.
-Dan.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/6/2008 12:15:13 AM
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So.... no good Christian bands that aren't afraid to just play for a while? Even if it not guitar... piano, drums, oboe... whatever.
I forgot about another: Glenn Kaiser Band. He plays some pretty mean blues.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/6/2008 2:37:07 AM
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So.... no good Christian bands that aren't afraid to just play for a while? Even if it not guitar... piano, drums, oboe... whatever.
He's a solo artist, but Jon McLaughlin is one of the best pianist right now, or at least I think so.
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/6/2008 11:21:20 AM
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Listen to Phil Keaggy (?)
I went for years hearing that name without having heard a note of his music. Then a friend recently turned me on to one of his disks and I thought "...what have I been missing all these years??"
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RE: Ok, who stole my guitar solo? - 9/6/2008 3:31:07 PM
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ManimalX, thanks for even asking this question. I happen to think the lack of guitar soloing and the absence of riffs in Christian music is a crying shame. We do the extended solo thing at our church, however. Our pastor only reigns in the freeplay when the band litterally melts someones face. 
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