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Join The Obama Corps - 10/5/2008 5:26:03 PM
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/5/2008 5:43:20 PM
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Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/5/2008 5:51:48 PM
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Kinda reminds me of that scene is "Jesus Camp" with the little campers praying to a life-sized cardboard image of Bush.
I saw the movie. As disturbing as that scene was, they weren't praying to GWB, they were thanking him for appointing Pro-life Supreme Court Justices and praying for him. Big difference.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/5/2008 6:39:35 PM
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Next will be the book of Obama sayings that liberal will be carrying and quoting.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/5/2008 6:44:28 PM
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I grew up in both a middle school and a high school with fellows who did things like this quite a bit, and am well acquainted with the culture behind this performance. By culture, I'm referring to the African American cultural practice of "stepping." When not laced with sexual innuendo, step shows are a lot of fun to watch. Although they're not stepping in this video, it reminds me of those shows.
The author of the article in the link clearly has no understanding of the culture he critiques, as evidenced by his reference to the verse in Revelation. I'm not a supporter of Senator Obama, and I detest the messianic image we've been force-fed that Senator Obama can "heal the planet" and all the rest of our world's ills. But with that said, I'm glad to see the enthusiasm of the guys in this video. I hope they truly mean it when they say they want to be architects and chemical engineers. We need more of our youth to have enthusiasm for their education. If Senator Obama's rise to fame was the spark that caused that, that's great for them.
I just hope they aren't crushed and their dreams dashed if their candidate loses the election, and still choose to channel their enthusiasm into continuing the dreams they share in this performance. The American Dream is about having the opportunity to become whatever you want to be - including architects and chemical engineers. It also includes many failures on the way to seeing those dreams realized. A member of my extended family had so invested herself in the success of the Gore campaign back in 2000, that she literally couldn't speak about it after the final decision. I hope that doesn't happen with the fellows in this video.
That's the trouble with the sort of idol-worship we've seen in this, and previous campaigns. When the fallible man stumbles, so do many of his followers.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 1:55:54 PM
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Did you notice those students had a kind of salute?
I though they might shout "Zig Heil".
Seriously, the comparison with Hitler youth is stunning.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 2:26:31 PM
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Oh man..that shows me how much youth are looking for someone who inspires them..not just some sports athletes, rapper and their mtv ways of life, their cribs, many cars and stuff.. or whatever..
Cultures and subcultures for sure have their unique expressions..youth are expressing all over the place their views and etc
I see nothing that reminds extremist groups but young men expressing..I sure find something like that more pleasant to watch than those degradating mtv's or other channels videos sex, drugs and rock&roll styles and etc
Well, that reminds me also when the present Brazilian President coming from such humble meanings, lost his finger as a metal worker, speaks incorrectly, not much education in comparission of all others candidates before him..still he did represent the realities of majority of population of Brasil and not the minority who always was the one to rule everybody etc etc
I do think youth is idealist and sometime may exagerate in its passions and expressions, still sometimes many groups for one reason or another becomes fatalist about thier destinies, oppressed by many messages around made to keep them distracted by status quo and so many groups with many different agendas dictating where they are suppose to end up...sometimes people groups are treated like cattle mass and the ranchers trying to put their trade mark on them..
Those are young beautiful black males and free to follow their dreams and destiny. Wish each one of them strenght, corage and sucess in their individual goals.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 2:31:19 PM
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Those are young beautiful black males and free to follow their dreams and destiny. Wish each one of them strenght, corage and sucess in their individual goals.
Yes, and hopefully they will be put on the right track by their educators, to study and work hard rather than put their hope in earthly messiahs who can only offer political rhetoric, before it is too late to realize those dreams.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 2:50:07 PM
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Those are young beautiful black males and free to follow their dreams and destiny. Wish each one of them strenght, corage and sucess in their individual goals.
Yes, and hopefully they will be put on the right track by their educators, to study and work hard rather than put their hope in earthly messiahs who can only offer political rhetoric, before it is too late to realize those dreams.
Are they caling Obama their messiah? Well, he may be just another "rancher" ...  Are those young men in the video already in voting age, 18? I may be wrong but they look younger than 18..don't know.
Unfortunately we do lack leadership in this country in so many levels the bar is low..youth are not blind the see the hypocrisy from the adults around them and etc The black leadership as Jesse and Sharpton and both being "reverend" do not help or seen as representation of the black youth, I supose. As new face come to the arena I do think is natural some identify with those..
I myself do not identify with Obama as a male any age black male would, "of course not"...I sure leave to them to find out what they like and want and etc... As I do not identify with Mrs Palin also, just because she is a woman. We are all free to come up with our choices, conclusions and adherences about politicians..I suppose.
Yep, one sure needs to work hard and study to get "there", I do agree Jhud: to educate USA youth to compete abroad also because many nations are taking the lead regarding that also, prepering their youth is an important big task.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 4:27:23 PM
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Hmm. According to the article, a teacher was encouraging them to study Obama's economic plan and do this during school time, which is apparently an issue due to the fact that McCain's plan was not also presented. I can see why people would have a problem with partisan politics being practiced during school time on the taxpayer's dime.
Why are they yelling "alpha omega" though?
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 5:10:25 PM
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It is absolutely amazing how people here can take a positive and turn it into a negative. The rush to judgment on something you don't understand is really quite annoying.
They're not chanting "Alpha" "Omega" in reference to God. If you look at their feet, you'll see that they're wearing the signature gold boots of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. I can't see the logo on the shirts, but black is a color of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. Both fraternities have been around since the early 1900s which last I checked pre-dates Obama.
I suspect they mixed the two because unless you're a member of the organization it's a major faux pas to do their chants, or steps, hand signs, etc. Comparing these kids to Hitler's Youth is just more fear mongering. People really are afraid of what they don't understand. That's too bad. Where there is fear, there is no faith.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 5:56:06 PM
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I... wasn't trying to make any assumptions regarding what they were saying. That's why I asked why they were chanting "alpha omega"... because it made no logical sense that they would be talking about God in that context, so I was wondering if there was something significant about it that I wasn't familiar with.
If it has to do with their fraternity membership, well, that makes sense then. Thanks for the explanation.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 5:56:46 PM
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It is absolutely amazing how people here can take a positive and turn it into a negative. The rush to judgment on something you don't understand is really quite annoying.
They're not chanting "Alpha" "Omega" in reference to God. If you look at their feet, you'll see that they're wearing the signature gold boots of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. I can't see the logo on the shirts, but black is a color of the Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. Both fraternities have been around since the early 1900s which last I checked pre-dates Obama.
I suspect they mixed the two because unless you're a member of the organization it's a major faux pas to do their chants, or steps, hand signs, etc. Comparing these kids to Hitler's Youth is just more fear mongering. People really are afraid of what they don't understand. That's too bad. Where there is fear, there is no faith.
Thanks Writercick,
I have no idea about fraternities and school ways in the US..I did not go to school here and the few married friends I have with kids homechool them or they are grown etc
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 7:14:01 PM
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Why has there never been something similar to this with so many other African American role models? Many that are not half white to begin with, but that is besides the point..
Like someone else correctly noted in the thread I created earlier this morning regarding the same video - someone that was supporting this video's actions had commented that this is the first time in a long time that black kids had a role model.
Really?
Her response? "Children with an African heritage dont have any real role models? What about Gen Colin Powell, Sec Condoleezza Rice, Gov Michael Steel, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, etc. Or are these not "real" "blacks"?"
This is something that was never addressed by the video supporters. Perhaps someone here can address it.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 8:05:04 PM
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Why has there never been something similar to this with so many other African American role models? Many that are not half white to begin with, but that is besides the point..
Like someone else correctly noted in the thread I created earlier this morning regarding the same video - someone that was supporting this video's actions had commented that this is the first time in a long time that black kids had a role model.
Really?
Her response? "Children with an African heritage dont have any real role models? What about Gen Colin Powell, Sec Condoleezza Rice, Gov Michael Steel, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, etc. Or are these not "real" "blacks"?"
This is something that was never addressed by the video supporters. Perhaps someone here can address it.
Im a her? Wow...never noticed before.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/6/2008 8:53:57 PM
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I sure know why some people more than others inspires me and etc
But the situation regarding the youth black voters goes way more deeper as many did not choose to vote anyways in all elections but some elections ...as I was researching and did found out :
"What are some possible reasons for the voting rates? Those most likely to vote are older individuals, homeowners, married couples, people with more education, higher income, and good jobs. We've seen in other chapters in this book and its companion volumes that whites are more likely to fit into these categories."Minorities vote
"Citizens age 65 and older had the highest registration rate (79 percent) while those age 18 to 24 had the lowest (58 percent). The youngest group also had the lowest voting rate (47 percent), while those age 45 and older had the highest turnout (about 70 percent)." Census voting
"Despite record numbers of young and new voters in this historical presidential election, voter disenfranchisement remains an issue for many young black men."Young black men and voting
"Voting is something you do when you're beyond survival mode," says Shakir. "You don't vote when you're in survival mode. And we have been conditioned in this country to stay in survival mode."
Now, what is amazing is to get the young people and others groups to evn vote...it seems since 1964 there is a decline in voting, but I guess as the situation in the country is becoming critical particularly in the economics department people decide they will vote and etc Some may be inspired by Mr Obama but I do guess many hope he is the one who will implement changes and etc
I thought African Americans were very much engage into politics and voting but it is not the case and some groups did not even bother to..but now people in great numbers want change because don't like present situation etc..hmmm
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/7/2008 11:21:51 AM
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I sure know why some people more than others inspires me and etc
But the situation regarding the youth black voters goes way more deeper as many did not choose to vote anyways in all elections but some elections ...as I was researching and did found out :
"What are some possible reasons for the voting rates? Those most likely to vote are older individuals, homeowners, married couples, people with more education, higher income, and good jobs. We've seen in other chapters in this book and its companion volumes that whites are more likely to fit into these categories."Minorities vote
"Citizens age 65 and older had the highest registration rate (79 percent) while those age 18 to 24 had the lowest (58 percent). The youngest group also had the lowest voting rate (47 percent), while those age 45 and older had the highest turnout (about 70 percent)." Census voting
"Despite record numbers of young and new voters in this historical presidential election, voter disenfranchisement remains an issue for many young black men."Young black men and voting
"Voting is something you do when you're beyond survival mode," says Shakir. "You don't vote when you're in survival mode. And we have been conditioned in this country to stay in survival mode."
Now, what is amazing is to get the young people and others groups to evn vote...it seems since 1964 there is a decline in voting, but I guess as the situation in the country is becoming critical particularly in the economics department people decide they will vote and etc Some may be inspired by Mr Obama but I do guess many hope he is the one who will implement changes and etc
I thought African Americans were very much engage into politics and voting but it is not the case and some groups did not even bother to..but now people in great numbers want change because don't like present situation etc..hmmm
Well, I think this is a special election. A lot of people are excited about voting. For once, there has been a voting awakening. Voter registration records have been broken. Let's just hope it carries over to the actual election.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/7/2008 11:56:41 AM
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Well, I think this is a special election. A lot of people are excited about voting. For once, there has been a voting awakening. Voter registration records have been broken. Let's just hope it carries over to the actual election.
And let's hope more than a few of them are a) alive and b) legal citizens eligible to vote.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/7/2008 5:56:59 PM
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Why has there never been something similar to this with so many other African American role models? Many that are not half white to begin with, but that is besides the point..
Like someone else correctly noted in the thread I created earlier this morning regarding the same video - someone that was supporting this video's actions had commented that this is the first time in a long time that black kids had a role model.
Really?
Her response? "Children with an African heritage dont have any real role models? What about Gen Colin Powell, Sec Condoleezza Rice, Gov Michael Steel, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, etc. Or are these not "real" "blacks"?"
This is something that was never addressed by the video supporters. Perhaps someone here can address it.
Nothing? heh....
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/7/2008 6:20:16 PM
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Why has there never been something similar to this with so many other African American role models? Many that are not half white to begin with, but that is besides the point..
Like someone else correctly noted in the thread I created earlier this morning regarding the same video - someone that was supporting this video's actions had commented that this is the first time in a long time that black kids had a role model.
Really?
Her response? "Children with an African heritage dont have any real role models? What about Gen Colin Powell, Sec Condoleezza Rice, Gov Michael Steel, Alan Keyes, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, etc. Or are these not "real" "blacks"?"
This is something that was never addressed by the video supporters. Perhaps someone here can address it.
Nothing? heh....
Are you asking this question to blacks and youth and males alone or not?
I am brown and midage and woman. When growing up had my models, none are in the list you provided thou..
In the list I like Collin Powell..he is not a Presidential candidate.
I sure would be curious also to know by the mouth of the youth and those who see Obama as a role model for real etc have to say for themselves..not what a bunch of people who are not in this group think or guess or whatever.
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RE: Join The Obama Corps - 10/7/2008 7:25:00 PM
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They chant a couple of lines that I am really happy to see black youth chanting: "I will take responsibility for my own actions". However, when the whole performance is taken as a whole, it is a really unsettling thing. The militant tone, the salutes, the uniforms, the marching, the adoring proclamations of faith to their "great leader" and the recitation of his policies.... how this kind of thing just gets a wink and a nod by ignorant folks blows my mind.
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