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Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/9/2008 8:51:18 PM
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slimon11
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I posted this on another thread but, maybe it was a little off subject; I didn't get any responses:
I know we recongize a false teacher when they do not preach or teach in line with the bible. Can someone's teachings be bibically correct yet, he is still false teacher because he does not act in the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible?
Is it okay for a pastor to lack people skills? I know none of us are perfect but, I mean being cold and judgmental, approaching people with wrong attitudes, maybe a little pharisee like, unintentionally turning people away from the church instead of expressing His love.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/9/2008 9:13:51 PM
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Mt 7:15-23 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (21) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (23) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
Mt 13:24-30 He put another parable before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, (25) but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. (26) So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. (27) And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?' (28) He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?' (29) But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. (30) Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"
Mk 9:38-40 John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us." (39) But Jesus said, "Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. (40) For the one who is not against us is for us.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/10/2008 1:40:32 AM
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BerianAardvark
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ORIGINAL: slimon11
I posted this on another thread but, maybe it was a little off subject; I didn't get any responses:
I know we recongize a false teacher when they do not preach or teach in line with the bible. Can someone's teachings be bibically correct yet, he is still false teacher because he does not act in the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible?
Is it okay for a pastor to lack people skills? I know none of us are perfect but, I mean being cold and judgmental, approaching people with wrong attitudes, maybe a little pharisee like, unintentionally turning people away from the church instead of expressing His love.
There are, sad to say, people in all aspects of ministry who are not truly acting withing their gifting. Some people very sincerely believe that they are meant to be pastors, when God had some other works in mind for them.
It is a very sad thing to see, but not uncommon, every year, for example people enter the missionary field who are unsuited for it, they wind up being miserable, and making others miserable as well.
Someone who is cut out to be a teacher will have a love for study, someone meant to be a pastor will have a shepherd's heart for his flock.
Some people have a set idea of how God is to be served then try to force themselves into something akin to that mode of service.
YMMV, Tim
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/10/2008 10:29:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: slimon11
I posted this on another thread but, maybe it was a little off subject; I didn't get any responses:
I know we recongize a false teacher when they do not preach or teach in line with the bible. Can someone's teachings be bibically correct yet, he is still false teacher because he does not act in the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible?
Is it okay for a pastor to lack people skills? I know none of us are perfect but, I mean being cold and judgmental, approaching people with wrong attitudes, maybe a little pharisee like, unintentionally turning people away from the church instead of expressing His love.
There are, sad to say, people in all aspects of ministry who are not truly acting withing their gifting. Some people very sincerely believe that they are meant to be pastors, when God had some other works in mind for them.
It is a very sad thing to see, but not uncommon, every year, for example people enter the missionary field who are unsuited for it, they wind up being miserable, and making others miserable as well.
Someone who is cut out to be a teacher will have a love for study, someone meant to be a pastor will have a shepherd's heart for his flock.
Some people have a set idea of how God is to be served then try to force themselves into something akin to that mode of service.
YMMV, Tim
I agree with you, Tim. I wouldn't call any of those people "false teachers". I believe false teachers KNOWINGLY deceive and have their own agenda for leading others astray. In my opinion, there's nothing unintentional about false teachers/teachings.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/11/2008 12:13:12 AM
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Can someone's teachings be bibically correct yet, he is still false teacher because he does not act in the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible?
Is it okay for a pastor to lack people skills? I know none of us are perfect but, I mean being cold and judgmental, approaching people with wrong attitudes, maybe a little pharisee like, unintentionally turning people away from the church instead of expressing His love.
What do you mean by "the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible"? Couldn't biblically correct teaching be considered "the loving spirit of Jesus and the Bible"?
And, what do you mean by "people skills"? Which is a better expression of a "loving spirit" ... one who is willing to tell you the truth no matter what the cost to them or someone who wants to fill the pews no matter what the cost to you?
I don't believe one is a false teacher unless they are teaching a false gospel.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/11/2008 1:34:18 AM
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slimon11
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Thank you all, you answered my question: You must intentionally lead others away to be a false teacher.
Berian, thanks, common sense stuff, good to remember...as a new Christian I don't know why I expect things to be different in the church than they would be in any hierarchical work environment. Inside the church is a lot like the outside world. I don’t why I have expectations for it to be different.
WildbyNature, Yes, teaching the Truth could express the loving spirit of the Lord, but, dependent on how a particular lesson is presented it can also leave a person feeling condemned. Maybe the lesson is presented with pride and lack of empathy. The Words need to accompanied by love. Some of the first scripture that I’ve ever heard comes to mind, 1 Corin 13:
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Of course I agree it is more important for someone to tell the truth rather than simply what one wants to hear, but, there is a fine art of addressing sin without the sinner feeling angry, judged and possibly ready to walk away from the correct teaching they are hearing. Some are more gifted than others when it comes to pointing out a plank in someone’s eye. I think we need to establish loving relationships with others before we are put in a successful position to point out someone’s faults or sins, understanding a persons roots.
I have also seen gifted people’s growth stunted by pride from those in leadership, those who teach the bible correctly. Gifted people are not just in leadership. Some of the most blessed sit in the back rows and go unnoticed. Personally, (I know I am a total newbie, I know I have a lot to learn) but, I think we as Christians can never go wrong if we are slow to judge and quick to express love.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/11/2008 2:34:39 AM
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It doesn't make you a false teacher, but if you aren't loving people, you might be a false Christian.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/11/2008 9:42:25 AM
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Yes, teaching the Truth could express the loving spirit of the Lord, but, dependent on how a particular lesson is presented it can also leave a person feeling condemned.
I might have to disagree with your interpretation of "Teaching in love". I would say the Rich young Ruler left Jesus feeling condemned. I would say the money changers in the Temple were not "Feeling the love" when they were driven out.
All good Biblical teachings are not going to leave all with that fuzzy warm feeling. The truth of many teaching will (as they should) leave a person examining themselves as to whether they be in the faith or not.
Two very pertinent verses that many "Seeker friendly" groups wish to leave out are;
(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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(Php 2:12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Touchy feely is not the way Jesus always taught and is not the way we are to always teach.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/11/2008 10:07:30 AM
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Yes, teaching the Truth could express the loving spirit of the Lord, but, dependent on how a particular lesson is presented it can also leave a person feeling condemned.
I might have to disagree with your interpretation of "Teaching in love". I would say the Rich young Ruler left Jesus feeling condemned. I would say the money changers in the Temple were not "Feeling the love" when they were driven out.
All good Biblical teachings are not going to leave all with that fuzzy warm feeling. The truth of many teaching will (as they should) leave a person examining themselves as to whether they be in the faith or not.
Amen, Amen, Amen!
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/12/2008 10:28:27 AM
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When I first read your post I thought "By the grace of God, there go all of us"
It might just have to do with semantics but I woudln't call that person a false teacher. However, just because you don't have a label to put on someone doesn't mean that they aren't practicing destructive behaviors. The false teachers seem to be those that Satan places in the church to lead the church away. The person you are describing sounds like a Christian leader who has developed some bad attitudes that can be destructive and hurt the church as it seeks to fulfill its purpose. We all can be apart of hindering the work of Christ when we display bad attitudes. The person you are describing seems to be doing this at a level that may require an intervention. I would say the first step is (according to Matthew 18:15 ) for someone to confront him lovingly and in private. If this doesn't work then continue on with what Matthew 18 says.
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RE: Is this an example of a false teacher? - 8/13/2008 11:10:16 PM
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Even if he speaks in the tongues of men and of angels, but has not love,
he is only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
If he has the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if he has a faith that can move mountains, but has not love, he is nothing.
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The Truth is between the tensions. The "contradictions"only reflect our lack of understanding.
So we choose sides. God help us.
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