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Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 7:31:59 AM
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Casper22
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For example what I meen by names like Cornerstone, Church of God Four square with signs and wonders, Dante Baptist Church ect ect ect. Should a name of a Church matter and decide for you if you want to go?
Im asking because I saw a Church in Ocala Florida called Druid Baptist Church I even went there for a service just to settle my curiosity and it was a good Church but because of the name very few people go to it I was told. But is a name really that important as long as long as the word is taught?
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 9:06:23 AM
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I believe uplifting worship and Biblical teaching are most important, however, I also believe what a church calls itself will often bring people in or keep them away. It should be carefully thought out and reflect what the church is about.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 9:34:31 AM
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AFAIK, Cornerstone and Foursquare (as well as others) denote an affiliation with a large church organization. In that case, yes, a name would be important.
"Druid" might be a poor choice of a name, because it could imply some sort of non-orthodox beliefs to those who'd never been there. For the most part, though, I think a lot of church names are silly and pointless. You could probably put into a hat a bunch of "christianese" words (like "faith," "hope," "fellowship," "community," etc), pick out 3 or 4, arrange them in some fashion and come up with the name for your church.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 9:55:22 AM
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find out what larger entity the church belongs to then do your research on the beliefs/teachings of that organization.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 11:58:48 AM
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Not to me. The name of my church is boring. It's descriptive of it's proximity to a certain location.
I've been to some churches with cool and "awesome" names ... eh. The name did absolutely nothing to make it a better church.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 2:44:01 PM
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While names are not the foremost of my concerns, I am still big into marketing, and I think that names do have importance.
A name can give the church body it's identity, so to speak. It gives the congregation a sense of ownership (and really, that's what you want -- for the people to feel like the church is theirs).
Instead of saying "I go to the Assemblies of God church over off Washington street" I can say, "Yeah man! I go to Corner Coffee House Church, and it's awesome!"
It's the feeling of belonging that tends to be missing when the name, environment, atmosphere, etc. are too bland.
But as I said, all this is secondary to the preaching of the gospel and the love among its people.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 5:27:39 PM
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I've always like the title, Bible Church, such as Whitman Hollow Bible Church. That is a stong but simple name, that identifies the church as one that believes the Bible, but isn't encumbered by denomination.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/23/2008 11:24:35 PM
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Thanx for these answers it helps understand alot better. Ive always noticed that some of the bigger churches have extravagant names and when you go its like going to a rock concert or there so formal and traditional it feels like a buisness meeting. Then some of the smaller ones ive visited with names like Haven of hope were just wonderful and uplifting.
What makes denominationalism a sin? Well let me reword that is denominationalism of God or is it just a statement of who your affiliated with. Like for instance I go to a full gospel Baptist church but they call themselves Grace Full Gospel Baptist Church and its caused confusion at times to our visitors because they think there going to a traditional Baptist Church with traditional Baptist beliefs but my Church also believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and shouting and raising your hands the only thing that makes them Baptist is there belief that its wrong to teach falling from grace like most Pentecostals do so they keep the word Baptist on our sign to let more traditional Pentecostals know that its a Pentecostal church with Baptist leanings toward the teachings on salvation. Should they take Baptist off there sign and just be Full Gospel to stop the confusion or leave it be?
Anyway thanx and take care
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 10:40:48 AM
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Casper,
Your question is a good one on the denominational point. I have belonged to several SBC churches over the years. Two of them pondered the idea of taking Baptist off the church name. When I asked why, it was because they didn't want to scare possible new converts away. hmmmmmmmmmm that hit me as wrong. If you don't want to appear to be Baptist or Methodist or whatever, then why are you of a certian denominantion. Are these leaders ashamed of their denominations?
When I do move to a new town the first place I look for in a church is the name Baptist. I guess I'll need to do a little more homework now since the marketing strategy has moved into the hip realm concerning the naming of churches.
Rick
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 11:51:46 AM
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If my church took our denomination out of our church name, I'd find another church.
A church that tries to hide its affiliation misleads, IMHO. What are we ashamed of?
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 1:18:32 PM
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If my church took our denomination out of our church name, I'd find another church.
A church that tries to hide its affiliation misleads, IMHO. What are we ashamed of?
It's not a matter of being ashamed of the denomination. It's a matter of the name just being. . . stagnant and irrelevant.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 1:18:46 PM
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Diane,
That was my question also. If they are ashamed of the name Baptist or whatever, then they are probably ashamed of the full Gospel message. Many churches today are heading down this road and I'm ashamed of that.
Rick
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 3:29:25 PM
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Your question is a good one on the denominational point. I have belonged to several SBC churches over the years. Two of them pondered the idea of taking Baptist off the church name. When I asked why, it was because they didn't want to scare possible new converts away. hmmmmmmmmmm that hit me as wrong. If you don't want to appear to be Baptist or Methodist or whatever, then why are you of a certian denominantion. Are these leaders ashamed of their denominations?
Because to most "believers" and "church goers", especially older ones......The WORD "Baptist" has a positive perception.
To those who are not 'believers'....their perception is not so good. It's NOT because of "theology"....it's due to the PERCEPTION of being overly judgemental (some of that is earned)....the anti-Disney FIASCO of 10-12 years ago....Baptists are generally known NOT for what they "Stand For", but for the VERY VERY long list of things that they are AGAINST....
I met my wife through a singles ministry at a Baptist Church in Arkansas. At the time, I had been attending a Church of Christ congregation, but, was definitely looking for another church. (Didn't care for the pastor there at all). At that time, I was CERTAIN that I was NOT going to even TRY a Baptist church, because of the negative perceptions I had (this was during the height of the Disney stuff....)...I had the discernment to know that the whole Southern Baptist/Disney thing was a political stunt. With no real basis for it (except accusations, rumors and perpetuating untrue myths)......SO, no BAPTIST church for me.
BUT, one day, I opened up the local paper, and there was an article I read about a guy starting a singles ministry at (GASP!) a Baptist Church in town. I would have totally ignored it, if I hadn't recognized his name. I had recently been on a bowling team with this guy's parents (the town we lived in was a BIG time retirement community).....so, because I "knew of him", I gave him a call. And, did start going to church there....and through that, I met my wife, and eventually we did get married....
Go out into the community......ask people who are "Unchurched".....have THEM tell YOU what they think of when you say the word "BAPTIST".....and, you'll see the problem alot of churches have.
It's not being ashamed of the denomenation....it's taking away a STUMBLING BLOCK.....the theology and everything is the same.....the name "Baptist" is just that....A NAME......Perhaps some are more "denomenationally loyal" than others...but, for me, I really could care less if the church is Prestonwood Baptist...Highland Park United Methodist...or Preston Hollow Presbyterian...it's what goes on INSIDE of the church, and the people, that matters....not the name out front.
Our church is phenomenally successful with outreach into the community. How is that, considering the name of our church is Prestonwood BAPTIST church? (Though, most people just say Prestonwood)....There is an ARMY of people out there on the "Front Lines" meeting and greeting the lost at many places...ministering and outreaching to them....in no time at all, regardless of the "perception", they get to know that person from the church, and learn that any "negative perceptions" they have about Baptists are mostly "unfounded".....and, in doing so, THEN they are much more likely to come into the church.......
now...some may be scratching their heads....I once had a negative opinion towards Baptist churches in general....and, now I attend the biggest baptist church in the land???......well, our church, and the people who go to our church, are VERY MUCH 100% for proclaiming Jesus Christ as savior....we all love God....and do all we can to spread God's word to the ends of the Earth (literally)....but, the church and the people are far from what most people THINK southern baptists are like....not your "typical"/"stereotypical" baptist church.....
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 10:27:02 PM
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Kern,
I'm going to have to respectfully (in part) disagree. I know of the supposed perception about Baptists. I was lost in my early twenties and always remembered the Baptist folk as being those Bible thumpers or fundamentalists. I didn't want to go to church but my wife encouraged me and when I moved to Arkansas years ago I told her I would go and we met some old friends who were Baptists and they envited us to church. This is where I was saved. I didn't think twice about the church being judgmental or out of touch. I hope I am stating this OK?
As far as the Disney thing, are you talking about the boycot against Disney from the SBC? If so, what was so bad about a denomination taking a stand against immorality? A theme park that is supposed to be family oriented and at the same time holds a gay day? sorry! Call me a fundamental Baptist.
I'd rather let people know what you stand for than to hide it. Jesus surely didn't pull any punches. I feel the name Baptist will draw more people who are seeking truth as opposed to pushing people away who are repulsed by the word Baptist because of the fundamental perception it has.
Rick
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 10:51:56 PM
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Diane,
That was my question also. If they are ashamed of the name Baptist or whatever, then they are probably ashamed of the full Gospel message. Many churches today are heading down this road and I'm ashamed of that.
Rick
While it is not impossible, I wouldn't consider it fair to automatically assume this.
As said. . .I would just think calling my church "first assembly of God" to be a bit . . . dry.
It's the reason youth ministries create youth names. . . it's a sense of identity, belonging, and ownership.
Doug Fields once said, "Until [people] are environmentally comfortable, they will not become theologically aware."
Whether we like it or not. . . environment, atmosphere, and yes, even something as simple as a name, is important.
If we are trying to connect to only people who have been part of a church since it first opened, "first assembly of God" may suffice. If we are desiring to be a place to draw people in, grow, and be relevant and real to a world dying, it may be a turnoff.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 11:44:11 PM
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When I grow up, I want to found a church named -
First Congregational Riverstream Life Growth Mountaintop Revival Cultural Gospel Good News Mercy and Kindness Signs and Wonders Panting Deer River of Life Congregational Rock Glory Perseverance Bible Church of *Insert Town Here*. It's something of a life goal.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/24/2008 11:52:44 PM
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Ah yes, the good ol' FCRLGMRCGGNMKSWPDRLCRGPBC of *insert name*
My favorite.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 8:43:45 AM
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Kern,
I'm going to have to respectfully (in part) disagree. I know of the supposed perception about Baptists. I was lost in my early twenties and always remembered the Baptist folk as being those Bible thumpers or fundamentalists. I didn't want to go to church but my wife encouraged me and when I moved to Arkansas years ago I told her I would go and we met some old friends who were Baptists and they envited us to church. This is where I was saved. I didn't think twice about the church being judgmental or out of touch. I hope I am stating this OK?
As far as the Disney thing, are you talking about the boycot against Disney from the SBC? If so, what was so bad about a denomination taking a stand against immorality? A theme park that is supposed to be family oriented and at the same time holds a gay day? sorry! Call me a fundamental Baptist.
I'd rather let people know what you stand for than to hide it. Jesus surely didn't pull any punches. I feel the name Baptist will draw more people who are seeking truth as opposed to pushing people away who are repulsed by the word Baptist because of the fundamental perception it has.
Rick
Right....YOU went to THAT Baptist church....why? Because old friends were there....and, you knew them....and knew that they didn't "meet" the perceptions of what "Baptists" are.....For those who do not personally know any baptists, but, somehow are supposed to choose "Baptist", and somehow overlook all of that "negative baggage" is wishful thinking.....and is exactly the reason why there is a HUGE surge in "non-denomenational" churches.....
Disney.....your remarks about the Disney thing is why I knew the boycotting thing was a "SHAM".....Disney does NOT hold a "Gay Day"....there is a "Gay Day" that outside organizations DO have, which encompasses many tourist attractions in the Orlando area (including Disney), but to say that the park "HOLDS" a "Gay Day" is entirely inaccurate.......if I were to get my entire family (extended and otherwise) all together, and for once a year, we all meet at Disney, does that mean that Disney now "holds" and "sponsors" a "Kerns Family" reunion???? Or, if all 27,000 members of our church go there once a year for vacation, does Disney now "hold" a "Prestonwood Day"....do they really have any control over who goes into the park (get out those "gaydar" guns!!!), and what organizations decide to gather there? A PERFECT example of the politicalization of an issue....for politics sake.....while they were, at one point, criticizing Disney, there were MANY MANY other companies doing the very same thing....and, yet, why not the others?
The name Baptist and "seeking Truth"? TO many, "Baptist" does NOT equate to TRUTH....it equates to twisting the truth....and blowing things out of proportion to fulfill a self-serving agenda..........
And, what DOES the word "Baptist" really mean anyway to a 'non believer'? Someone probably just read an article about Westboro Baptist Church....well, if the members of that church are like THAT, aren't they "Baptists"? And, aren't all Baptists the same? Hardly. But, when you're "on the outside" you DON'T KNOW anything those things.
As a believer it's easy to say, "I'd Rather let people know where you stand than hide it".....problem is, "non believers" and those on the "outside" think you're standing somewhere else....other than where you really are.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 8:59:21 AM
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If my church took our denomination out of our church name, I'd find another church.
A church that tries to hide its affiliation misleads, IMHO. What are we ashamed of?
I vote with Diane on this one. Our church has a simple name "Faith Lutheran Church", but it does speak a lot about what we believe. I rather like being "encumbered" by a denomination. 
Any church or group that says they "just teach the Bible" usually sets off a ton of alarm bells in my head, because there is no one way to interpret the Bible. So saying they just teach the Bible, means "just preach the Bible according to my interpretation, and if you don't agree with my interpretation, then you're disagreeing with God". I've seen to many non-denom churches get into trouble because of the total lack of oversight or any church authority that might restrain a runaway pastor.
If I know the denomination of the church, then I have a fair idea of their basic principles and doctrine that governs that church. If it's a "Bible Church", then it could be totally up for grabs what they preach and teach.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 9:02:46 AM
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When I grow up, I want to found a church named -
First Congregational Riverstream Life Growth Mountaintop Revival Cultural Gospel Good News Mercy and Kindness Signs and Wonders Panting Deer River of Life Congregational Rock Glory Perseverance Bible Church of *Insert Town Here*. It's something of a life goal.
Truly this is really quite amazing.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 9:58:47 AM
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Hi. This thread is already heavily in progress. Before I add, it's my hope that wherever you choose to attend, Casper22, that you find yourself a member there, and that your chuch is not simply somewhere you go or attend.
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For example what I meen by names like Cornerstone, Church of God Four square with signs and wonders, Dante Baptist Church ect ect ect. Should a name of a Church matter and decide for you if you want to go? Im asking because I saw a Church in Ocala Florida called Druid Baptist Church I even went there for a service just to settle my curiosity and it was a good Church but because of the name very few people go to it I was told. But is a name really that important as long as long as the word is taught? thanx Casper
Should the church's name matter and decide for you if you want to go? A name of something is just a name, right? A name of a church- you can thake that to be the name of the building the people meet in, or the name the members of that assembly take on themselves... we are Cornerstone church. That's to say if the building they meet in burns down, or floats away in a flood, etc., Cornersone church... whoever is still alive following this, are they still a church? That's not really a both-answer question, right? You've got to decide if the church is a building of shelter from the weather, or a bunch of sinful people gathered to worship. No matter what you decide, I'd say it's a cop out to let a name decide something for you. You may be able to see some awesome changes in the First Church of Fellowship of Pharasees, Sadducees, and Jesus Wannabes, and perhaps cause some yourself. They'd teach the word there, sure, the word that serves their purposes. It'd be really challenging. The general public might snicker at you and call you a viper, etc.
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Thanx for these answers it helps understand alot better. Ive always noticed that some of the bigger churches have extravagant names and when you go its like going to a rock concert or there so formal and traditional it feels like a buisness meeting. Then some of the smaller ones ive visited with names like Haven of hope were just wonderful and uplifting.
What makes denominationalism a sin? Well let me reword that is denominationalism of God or is it just a statement of who your affiliated with. Like for instance I go to a full gospel Baptist church but they call themselves Grace Full Gospel Baptist Church and its caused confusion at times to our visitors because they think there going to a traditional Baptist Church with traditional Baptist beliefs but my Church also believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and shouting and raising your hands the only thing that makes them Baptist is there belief that its wrong to teach falling from grace like most Pentecostals do so they keep the word Baptist on our sign to let more traditional Pentecostals know that its a Pentecostal church with Baptist leanings toward the teachings on salvation. Should they take Baptist off there sign and just be Full Gospel to stop the confusion or leave it be?
Anyway thanx and take care
Casper
Would you please not repeat the question like that, but do repeat it? Maybe break it down for us using some periods? I'm sure I could struggle to give you an 18-line run-on reply, but you are really going with some deep questions and I lost track of the question.
Thanks,
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 11:19:50 AM
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Look at it this way, in the Old testament, the names of persons were evidently very meaningful. Adam is named after the earth [Genesis 2], Simon was renamed Peter & Abram & Saria were renamed Abraham & Sarah. Obviously, names are very, very important since the Old Testament spends a vast amount of its text on names alone. Names are the 1st impression of us to the public.
Many couples spend months on end deciding on baby names. Why in the holiest of all names, would the same consideration not be given to the etymology of a church being in honor of that holiest of all names, GOD?
Druid is very descriptive word with a lot of history. It clearly & unmistakebly means; an order of ancient Gaul and Britain priests who according to Welsh and Irish legend are prophets and sorcerers.
I should think that would raise suspicion from nearly any educated person.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 12:33:22 PM
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Any church or group that says they "just teach the Bible" .............................. So saying they just teach the Bible, means "just preach the Bible according to my interpretation, and if you don't agree with my interpretation, then you're disagreeing with God". ....................... If it's a "Bible Church", then it could be totally up for grabs what they preach and teach.
Yet, is this not what all denominations also do? Preach their "INTERPRETATION" of the bible?
To say that a "Bible Church" preacher's interpretation is "up for grabs" but a "Denominational" based preacher's is not, is like saying that God is not with nor honoring the man preaching in the bible church, but only with the denominationally focused preacher. If this is true, then why in the past two thousand or so years, have so many denominations branched & split due to those "doctrinal" differences?
It is not the church, nor the denomination, nor the doctrine that decides which preacher is on target. It is God's call as to which man is truly being obedient to that call & scripturally correct and it is our individual accountability to be scripturally educated, God-centered, & prayerful, with a discerning heart to weed out the false teachers, BOTH denominational AND non-denominational.
I am only aware of one church that just "leaves it up for grabs" and they are most definitely a strong Universal denomination.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 12:54:54 PM
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It is not the church, nor the denomination, nor the doctrine that decides which preacher is on target. It is God's call as to which man is truly being obedient to that call & scripturally correct and it is our individual accountability to be scripturally educated, God-centered, & prayerful, with a discerning heart to weed out the false teachers, BOTH denominational AND non-denominational.
VERY true...
Example: I attend a Baptist church here in Dallas. VERY strong biblical teaching....and, solid, as well. Great church, pastor and everything.
My inlaws church....they are another "Baptist Church"....VASTLY different from my church...."false teachings" have "littered" everything that church does, and what the pastor says. (their church have embraced the "teachings" of a somewhat well-known "teacher" of "Biblical Principles").....with very little regard to what the BIBLE actually says, or doesn't say about those "Teachings".......(meanwhile, any and ALL materials by the "teacher" their church "follows" have been strictly prohibited from being taught at MY church..due to the "false nature" of those teachings)
Westboro Baptist Church is yet another obvious example. It IS a "Baptist" church, right?
THUS....Denomination "labels" in the church's name is no guarantee of anything...other than the name on the door.
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RE: Is a name of a Church important? - 9/25/2008 12:54:55 PM
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If my church took our denomination out of our church name, I'd find another church.
A church that tries to hide its affiliation misleads, IMHO. What are we ashamed of?
I'm not sure that they are "hiding" as much as they could possibly be attempting to re-open a door for people who have been shut out or hurt by persons of certain "affiliations".
Face it....FACT; we Christians can be more closed-minded & cruel to others without even realizing it sometimes. All it takes for a fresh, vulnerable or recently wounded heart is to be gossiped about or mentioned in any negative way. Sometimes under the "guise" of, "oh please pray for so & so....her husband left her for a younger woman or "please pray for so & so, their son was arrested for DUI last night".
When people are hurt, it is only natural for them to try & avoid that happening again and it is natural to "lump" the one or ones who hurt them in the category they have associate themselves with.
As long as non-denoms stay scripturally correct (and most of them do) then I see it as a good alternative for people who have left other churches in pain.
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