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Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:03:18 PM
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stamper_ben
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
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"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:20:23 PM
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Now Ben, is this fair?
While we might require potential first-lady Cindy MCain to bequeath her father's fortune to her half-sister, and we can and should expect that American tax dollars should be acquired by the Democratic congress for redistribution to those in need, we can not and should not expect that the leading Democratic contender to personally utilize his rather meager income to help some horribly impoverished family member half way aross the world.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:22:44 PM
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
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"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
And by what logic do you consider BH Obama to be responsible for his half-brother born of his father some two decades after the elder Obama divorced B's mother and severed responsibility for her and her child?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:25:22 PM
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
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"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
You beat me to it. I was going to call the post 'He ain't heavy, he's my brother'.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:27:10 PM
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
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"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
You beat me to it. I was going to call the post 'He ain't heavy, he's my brother'.
Clinton had a half brother that he claimed he didn't know about pop up during his first term.
JFK had a mentally ill sister who was shipped off somewhere out of sight and out of touch.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:34:52 PM
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And by what logic do you consider BH Obama to be responsible for his half-brother born of his father some two decades after the elder Obama divorced B's mother and severed responsibility for her and her child?
In the same way anyone responsible for the well being and healthcare of complete strangers?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:38:00 PM
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
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"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
You beat me to it. I was going to call the post 'He ain't heavy, he's my brother'.
Clinton had a half brother that he claimed he didn't know about pop up during his first term.
JFK had a mentally ill sister who was shipped off somewhere out of sight and out of touch.
Pardon me, but what Clinton half-brother was that?
And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:53:44 PM
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And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
What about the fact that she was made that way when papa Kennedy decided to have a lobotomy performed on the mildly retarded girl - then had her institutionalized when he was ashamed at how the procedure left her? (That he paid for it with money he made as a bootlegger is another issue.)
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:54:12 PM
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George Hussein Onyango Obama
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Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.
"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."
<snip>
"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
You beat me to it. I was going to call the post 'He ain't heavy, he's my brother'.
Clinton had a half brother that he claimed he didn't know about pop up during his first term.
JFK had a mentally ill sister who was shipped off somewhere out of sight and out of touch.
Pardon me, but what Clinton half-brother was that?
And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
Clinton took a phone call from the guy in the oval office, but as far as I know they never met. I'm assuming since he took the call, that it was legit.
The Kennedy's are wealthy beyond our understanding. They had no obstacles to caring for Rose at home except their hearts weren't in it. They didn't want her around. She was shipped from home to home (not her own) and ended up in Wisconsin, a thousand miles from her family.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:55:44 PM
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And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
Wow, I can't believe it... I actually agree withyou on something!
The Kennedy family actually took good care of their own and no one should ever claim otherwise.
But it is a striking comparison... especially with Obama being compared so favorably with JFK in much of the media.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 12:59:03 PM
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The Kennedy family actually took good care of their own and no one should ever claim otherwise.
I do, see my post above. They were ASHAMED of her after the botched lobotomy.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:10:41 PM
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The Kennedy family actually took good care of their own and no one should ever claim otherwise.
I do, see my post above. They were ASHAMED of her after the botched lobotomy.
But they still cared for her didn't they? They maintained financial responsibility for her didn't they? In contrast to the democrat nominee who wants to care for "the least of these, my brothers" as long as they're not really his brothers (and as long as it's not his money).
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:29:55 PM
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And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
What about the fact that she was made that way when papa Kennedy decided to have a lobotomy performed on the mildly retarded girl - then had her institutionalized when he was ashamed at how the procedure left her? (That he paid for it with money he made as a bootlegger is another issue.)
On medical advice and in line with medical practices of the time. Odd that you would leave out that part of the relevant history. Why did you do that?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:30:55 PM
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HWat do the Kennedy's have to do with Obama's impoverished brother?
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:35:40 PM
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"Clinton took a phone call from the guy in the oval office, but as far as I know they never met. I'm assuming since he took the call, that it was legit."
Got it, you don't have a name, date, time, or any evidence of the legitimacy of the claimed relationship. pardon me, but I'll pass on commenting on disucssing the validity of this claim - as you already have done.
"The Kennedy's are wealthy beyond our understanding. They had no obstacles to caring for Rose at home except their hearts wern't in it. They didn't want her around. She was shipped to home from home (not her own) and ended up in Wisconsin."
Anyone who cares to know the real history of the Rose Mary Kennedy tragedy can look it up.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:37:04 PM
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HWat do the Kennedy's have to do with Obama's impoverished brother?
The better question is what does Obama have to do with his impoverished brother? 
An even better question is, "why should Obama be expected to have anything to do him?"
A question previously asked and, so far, unanswered.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:40:02 PM
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An even better question is, "why should Obama be expected to have anything to do him?"
A question previously asked and, so far, unanswered.
I thought this person answered it:
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Or perhaps more "Go, and sell all that you have, and give to the poor"
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"As you did for the least of these, so you did as for Me"
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"They sold all that they had, and turned it over to the leaders, and all shared in all that they had."
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 1:56:12 PM
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Too bad for that line of argument that it was pretty thoroughly refuted as stated in the original article - by George Obama himself.
This is another furor over nothing, which seems to be about all that the Obama-bashers have these days.
I am not sure how anything his brother says refutes a critcism of Obama's neglect:
He told the magazine: "I live like a recluse, no-one knows I exist."
Embarrassed by his penury, he said that he does not does not mention his famous half-brother in conversation.
"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.
For ten years George Obama lived rough. However he now hopes to try to sort his life out by starting a course at a local technical college.
He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi.
The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head".
Of their second meeting, George Obama said: "It was very brief, we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger."
George added he was no longer in contact with his mother and said:"I have had to learn to live and take what I need.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:03:11 PM
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And pardon me further, but it is pretty scummy to drag a family tragedy, such as having an institutionally-insane sister, into a public debate, especially when it is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.
What about the fact that she was made that way when papa Kennedy decided to have a lobotomy performed on the mildly retarded girl - then had her institutionalized when he was ashamed at how the procedure left her? (That he paid for it with money he made as a bootlegger is another issue.)
On medical advice and in line with medical practices of the time. Odd that you would leave out that part of the relevant history. Why did you do that?
What I left out and you revised was papa Kennedy's fear of his daughter's sexuality. He wasn't following the advice and medical practices of the time - he was trying to control his uncontrollable daughter. Once the damage was done, he hid his embarrassing daughter.
That's not the white-washed revision of history. You want conservatives to face reality? How about doing the same.
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RE: Introducing.... - 8/20/2008 2:20:17 PM
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The Kennedy family actually took good care of their own and no one should ever claim otherwise.
I do, see my post above. They were ASHAMED of her after the botched lobotomy.
But they still cared for her didn't they? They maintained financial responsibility for her didn't they? In contrast to the democrat nominee who wants to care for "the least of these, my brothers" as long as they're not really his brothers (and as long as it's not his money).
They met the bare minimum standards of human decency. Wonderful defense.
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