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If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 4:27:39 PM
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theolotee
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If anything exists, God exists. Whether or not you choose to believe in the existence of God, is irrelevant, because even if you think things evolved, something started the process, and what created that? In other words, something existed in the beginning and whatever that is, must possess, within itself, the power of "being", and whatever that is, is God. For example, the computer you're using right now could not "be", without a series of creations. If you trace those creations back, somewhere--way back at the beginning--something must have the power to exist without creation and this existence is the Almighty God.
Every attempt to disprove God's existence has failed. In 1953, biochemist Stanley Miller conducted, what was hailed at the time as a landmark experiment, to determine if life could emerge from the nonliving chemicals he believed were present on primitive earth. Miller presumed, without any proof, primitive earth was comprised of hydrogen, methane and ammonia. Using these gases, Miller recreated primitive earth in Harold Urey's laboratory at the University of Chicago. He heated water to fill the system with water vapor and repeatedly shot electric currents through it to simulate the effect of lightning. The results? Amino acids, the essential components of proteins (the building blocks of life) were formed within about a week. This was presented as conclusive proof that life could have emerged from nonliving chemicals, and gave a supercharge to the anti-God, evolutionist community. This created a euphoric sense of validation for the evolutionists of the time. There was a problem, however. It is now widely known that these three gases were not present on primitive earth and that results were essentially manufactured. Since 1980, NASA scientists have shown the early atmosphere contained water, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen, which will not yield the result of the Miller-Urey experiment. Miller knew, at the time, what response he would get by using these gases and, essentially, stacked the deck in his favor.
Well-known skeptic and agnostic Carl Sagan believed that, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". If your faith in atheism is blind, how can you see the "extraordinary proof"? Christians believe the Bible to be the Word of God. They believe Jesus to be the Son of God, the prophesied Messiah from the Old Testament. These claims are pretty extraordinary and the "extraordinary proof" is out there, atheists and agnostics just blind themselves to it. So let's look at just some of the "proof" God left for us.
Archaeologist Nelson Glueck said, "it may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm, in clear outline or exact detail, historical statements in the Bible". A series of books written by many different authors, over hundreds of years, all fitting together... error free? I'd say that's pretty extraordinary.
But how about Jesus as the Son of God? There are 333 Old Testament texts that deal with the prophesied Messiah, that contain 456 specific details about His life. That's 456 specific ways to identify the coming Messiah. J. Barton Payne compiled a list of 191 Old Testament references that identify the anticipated Jewish Messiah and Savior. And Norman Geisler notes in the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, "each one is literally fulfilled in the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus of Nazareth". Geisler also points out that, "Even the most liberal critics admit that the prophetic books were dated at least 400 years before Christ and the Book of Daniel no later than 165 B.C.". And for those skeptics who want to think that it could still be "chance", Geisler gives another interesting little detail, "The probability of sixteen predictions being fulfilled in one man has been calculated at 1 in [10 to the 45th power]. If we go to forty-eight predictions, the probability is 1 in [10 to the 157th power]." So, if the probability for 48 predictions are one chance in a 1 followed by 157 zeros, what is it for 191 predictions!? And 456 specific predictions!? To call this "extraordinary proof", is a colossal understatement.
God has given us an staggering amount of evidence, pointing directly to His existence. He's also offered us irrefutable proof that Jesus of Nazareth, was the anticipated Messiah. In spite of all the evidence, atheists believe categorically that God does not exist. In order for them to do this, they must have blind faith in atheism and, therefore illogical faith. I just don't have that kind of faith. Christianity requires faith, but an honest look at the evidence leaves one logical option, that He is the ONE and ONLY God and that Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son! What is the good news for atheists? God has a history of making the blind see, when they allow Him.
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RE: If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 4:44:23 PM
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MrFribbles
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something existed in the beginning and whatever that is, must possess, within itself, the power of "being", and whatever that is, is God.
Why couldn't the universe (and all the matter/energy contained therein) be that which has always existed?
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RE: If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 5:51:58 PM
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Jhud
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Why couldn't the universe (and all the matter/energy contained therein) be that which has always existed?
Well, it has become increasingly evident the universe has a beginning; that would be one very obvious reason.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 7:10:20 PM
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No If Christians had 'Blind Faith' they would believe like Abraham.
In actuality it is known that God does have several openings in the earth as I have stated before where He could inilate the earth and we would die laughing! (I am serious) There is enough faults and in wooded areas that can give off tons of nitreous gas, that many would be unaware.
All atheists remind me of a few jokes:
The Christian Bear
there was an atheist walking through the wilderness, examining and enjoying the nature. When all of a sudden a black bear was charging him.
He ran, and ran, and looked behing him when crack! He fell beneath a twig and exclaimed: Oh God! (everything became still, the wind stopped blowing, the river stopped flowing, and even the bear froze in position. )
The light shined on the atheist as God asked: You called? The atheist procclaimed, Lord 'I know' it would be hypocrytical of me to ask you to make me a Christian after all these years, but do you think you can at least make the bear a Christian? The Lord spoke: Very Well
At that moment the Light descended and the wind again blew and the river flowed. The bear took his paw off the atheist and met it with his other paw and said: Lord thank you for the bounty I am about to receive!
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RE: If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 7:15:35 PM
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delete123
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And the second one is:
There were scientist standing aroung in conversation exclaiming how they don't need God. They have discovered how to make man.
Inthralled in their conversation one scientists asked? Show us how we can make man with out God? The scientist who figured out the formula, bent over and scooped up a pile of dirt, when the Lord spoke up and said: Oh No you don't make your own dirt!
Unfortunately the points you make are really invalid, and seem to be searching for something that has already been proven (or someone else has tried to disprove.)
Intellect is a mind issue, God's business is a heart issue
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RE: If Christians Had Blind Faith They'd Be Atheists - 10/31/2008 11:02:45 PM
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MrFribbles
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Well, it has become increasingly evident the universe has a beginning; that would be one very obvious reason.
Or - we haven't yet the ability to properly measure such things, but we do like to tell ourselves we do. We haven't fully explored our own oceans, what makes us thing we can truthfully probe the other edges of our universe?
I am, of course, playing devil's advocate. I'm just doing my part to keep us from being comfortable in outgrown "proof."
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