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How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 8:00:51 AM
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pinopolitan
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"Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Your sight-" Psalms 51:4a
"So David said to Nathan, 'I have sinned against the Lord.'" 2 Samuel 12:13a
Why doesn't David see his sin as against Bathsheba or against Uriah or even as against himself?
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 10:04:33 AM
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David recognizes the absolute sovereignty of God over all his creatures. Whereas it is true that David has sinned against Uriah, and David is made painfully aware of that, he knows that all sin is most immediately committed against God and that the offense against other sinful creatures is mere fallout in comparison. No one dies for our sin but Christ.
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 10:27:13 AM
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Well, it would seem that Bathsheba was at least somewhat complicit in the whole thing. Bathing on the roof? Yeah.
But I think that while David was aware previously that he had done some bad things in terms of what he had done to Uriah, but he thought he had gotten away with it in general. The only witness who might have said something was dead, people were apparently okay with him taking over with the "grieving widow", and his child has been born just fine (well, at the point at which he's talking to Nathan). At this point, Nathan reminds him of who God is, and that God sees everything, and that David has not only sinned against Uriah, and sinned with Bathsheba, but David, the man after God's own heart, has sinned against God Himself... and that really hits him hard.
As for Psalms... Psalms is poetic. Psalms is about emotion. Uriah is dead, there's nothing David can do about that now, he certainly can't apologize, but David has realized that in committing adultery, and in getting Uriah killed, he has sinned ultimately against God Himself, and the weight of that is so great that the direct sin against Uriah seems comparatively inconsequential. He has incurred a blood guilt with God Himself, and God Himself has threatened to make good on that blood guilt. David is not discounting his sin against Uriah, on the contrary he is finally realizing just how deep his guilt goes... past the obvious sin against the man, to a blood-guilt sin against the God who created Uriah, and who gave David shepherd-ship over Uriah as the military leader.
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 10:38:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: HardKnox
David recognizes the absolute sovereignty of God over all his creatures. Whereas it is true that David has sinned against Uriah, and David is made painfully aware of that, he knows that all sin is most immediately committed against God and that the offense against other sinful creatures is mere fallout in comparison. No one dies for our sin but Christ.
Amen brother you hit the nail on the head.. David broke God's laws first and foremost ,Thou shalt not kill, thou shall not commit adultry.
If we confess our sins (HE) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
God is faithful and God is just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrigtheousness
and you might be thinking ,well what about when someone does us wrong ,that is sin..arent they suppose to ask for forgiveness
sure they are, because we do have the power to forgive someone if they sin against us, but we do not have the power and authority to cleanse the heart of sin
That ws given to the Son by the Father
And confessing our sins to man is not the same as confessing our sins to the Lord
these are two entirely different things
Man does not have the power and authority to cleanse the heart of sin
That ws given to the Son by the Father
and when we sin our sin is truly against a Righteous Holy God and David recognized that and was obedient to confess those sins to the Lord..amen amen.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Hbr 9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared
to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation
God bless
< Message edited by InHisService9901 -- 11/20/2008 10:45:27 AM >
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 11:30:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: pinopolitan
"Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Your sight-" Psalms 51:4a
"So David said to Nathan, 'I have sinned against the Lord.'" 2 Samuel 12:13a
Why doesn't David see his sin as against Bathsheba or against Uriah or even as against himself?
Out of curiosity, is it possible that David is referring to something other than the Bathsheba incident?
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 11:43:00 AM
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HardKnox
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Out of curiosity, is it possible that David is referring to something other than the Bathsheba incident?
Psalm 51:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba....
InHisService9901,
Good post, brother. Interesting too that when God gave the decree to Noah concerning capital punishment for murder he gives the reason for the evil of murder as "... man was made in the image of God." The worst thing about one person taking the life of another in murder is that they offend God's image. He takes it personally, as if he himself had been murdered.
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 12:08:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: HardKnox
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Out of curiosity, is it possible that David is referring to something other than the Bathsheba incident?
Psalm 51:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba....
InHisService9901,
Good post, brother. Interesting too that when God gave the decree to Noah concerning capital punishment for murder he gives the reason for the evil of murder as "... man was made in the image of God." The worst thing about one person taking the life of another in murder is that they offend God's image. He takes it personally, as if he himself had been murdered.
Brother to be honest, I have never thought of murder that way...but u may have a point there..The way I have always seen it is that God is the giver and sustainer of life and only He has the right to take that life...
so you will know im a sister in God's service,61years old and counting
amen the Lord is good!
God bless
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 2:51:14 PM
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HardKnox
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ORIGINAL: InHisService9901
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ORIGINAL: HardKnox
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Out of curiosity, is it possible that David is referring to something other than the Bathsheba incident?
Psalm 51:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba....
InHisService9901,
Good post, brother. Interesting too that when God gave the decree to Noah concerning capital punishment for murder he gives the reason for the evil of murder as "... man was made in the image of God." The worst thing about one person taking the life of another in murder is that they offend God's image. He takes it personally, as if he himself had been murdered.
Brother to be honest, I have never thought of murder that way...but u may have a point there..The way I have always seen it is that God is the giver and sustainer of life and only He has the right to take that life...
so you will know im a sister in God's service,61years old and counting
amen the Lord is good!
God bless
My apologies, dear sister. May the Lord guide you on your journey. Your view of the sinfulness of murder is just as good.
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 8:09:02 PM
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InHisService9901
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No apologies necessary brother...you didnt know...
and thank you and God bless
Evang.dare
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RE: How is it that David's sin is against God only? - 11/20/2008 10:02:27 PM
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ORIGINAL: InHisService9901
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ORIGINAL: HardKnox
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Out of curiosity, is it possible that David is referring to something other than the Bathsheba incident?
Psalm 51:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba....
InHisService9901,
Good post, brother. Interesting too that when God gave the decree to Noah concerning capital punishment for murder he gives the reason for the evil of murder as "... man was made in the image of God." The worst thing about one person taking the life of another in murder is that they offend God's image. He takes it personally, as if he himself had been murdered.
Brother to be honest, I have never thought of murder that way...but u may have a point there..The way I have always seen it is that God is the giver and sustainer of life and only He has the right to take that life...
so you will know im a sister in God's service,61years old and counting
amen the Lord is good!
God bless
His excellent point is founded in the following...
Genesis 9:6 Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man."
And the view that life is God's(and or His appointed authority) to take is just as foundational... Moses, David, and Joshua giving us examples with their actions...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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