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Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/10/2008 4:10:32 PM
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Lapidoth
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[08.26.08] During a visit to Lakeland, Fla., in May, San Francisco pastor Michael Brodeur blogged some thoughts for his church members back home who were antsy for revival.
“I believe this is just the beginning of a fresh wave of the Holy Spirit in our midst,” said Brodeur, senior pastor of Promised Land Fellowship. “I encourage you to put on your wet suits, grab your surfboards and paddle out into the coming move of God. This could be the ride of your life
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Now, after 67 days of nightly meetings, his church and staff are in the midst of something not unlike the Lakeland Outpouring, though Brodeur calls what’s happening in San Francisco “a different animal.”
“Our meetings have been very different from Lakeland in style and form,” he told Charisma. “The character of our outpouring is been much more just soaking in the presence of God and seeking His face.”
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/10/2008 5:23:58 PM
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Don't any of these people see that they are getting their "impartations" from false teachers and false prophets?
Where we now see that their revival was counterfeit at best, literally demonic at worst? Is not biblical Christianity good enough for some that profess to be Christians?
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/10/2008 9:22:44 PM
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This is just the beginning of these Lakeland off springs.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/10/2008 9:42:25 PM
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If God wants a Revival it will happen. We don't try to artificially make it happen.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/10/2008 11:27:09 PM
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I have no problem with soaking prayer, when they start moving into things such a feathers, the chicken dance then I have problems
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/11/2008 12:27:15 AM
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If God wants a Revival it will happen. We don't try to artificially make it happen.
Revivals do not happen just because God wants them to happen, just as sinners do not get saved just because God wants them to be saved.
There must be repentance on the part of Christians in the first case, and repentance on the part of sinners in the second case.
We live in a day of counterfeit miracles and counterfeit revivals. Rather than wasting time criticizing them, we should be doing what God wants so that there is genuine revival. Christians are spending far too much time decrying counterfeits instead of simply getting on with the job them have been assigned.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/11/2008 1:47:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: Child4Jesus
If God wants a Revival it will happen. We don't try to artificially make it happen.
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ORIGINAL: Ezra
Revivals do not happen just because God wants them to happen, just as sinners do not get saved just because God wants them to be saved.
There must be repentance on the part of Christians in the first case, and repentance on the part of sinners in the second case.
We live in a day of counterfeit miracles and counterfeit revivals. Rather than wasting time criticizing them, we should be doing what God wants so that there is genuine revival. Christians are spending far too much time decrying counterfeits instead of simply getting on with the job them have been assigned.
Sorry I wasn't clear. What I was trying to say is we can't just plan next Saturday at 3:00pm we are having Revival.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/11/2008 4:20:07 AM
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Revivals do not happen just because God wants them to happen, just as sinners do not get saved just because God wants them to be saved.
Hmmm....
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/11/2008 8:38:14 AM
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I have no problem with soaking prayer, when they start moving into things such a feathers, the chicken dance then I have problems
please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/11/2008 11:30:22 AM
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I have no problem with soaking prayer, when they start moving into things such a feathers, the chicken dance then I have problems
please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
"Being empty" is not Christian meditation, it's Eastern mysticism. And "in a presence" sounds New Age.
Christian meditation is active, not passive. It's focusing on scripture or God, not nonsense.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/12/2008 1:49:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: peacebringer
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I have no problem with soaking prayer, when they start moving into things such a feathers, the chicken dance then I have problems
please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
"Being empty" is not Christian meditation, it's Eastern mysticism. And "in a presence" sounds New Age.
Christian meditation is active, not passive. It's focusing on scripture or God, not nonsense.
I wish sometimes folks would let a question asked of someone be answered by them without interjecting...
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/12/2008 11:32:45 AM
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paging colliefan,
paging colliefan.
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sorry, couldn't resist. lol.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/12/2008 11:52:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ezra
We live in a day of counterfeit miracles and counterfeit revivals. Rather than wasting time criticizing them, we should be doing what God wants so that there is genuine revival. Christians are spending far too much time decrying counterfeits instead of simply getting on with the job them have been assigned.
Ezra, the impact the Latter Rain crowd has had on my corner of the world will not go away by ignoring it. On the contrary, it is advancing, and it is a dividing line. By disagreeing with their various "moves", though different yet all attributed to God, I place strains on relationships with real people I am in contact with every day.
So why do I let my disagreement be known? Because they invite me to meetings, concerts, to join causes and all centered around Bickle, Engle, Joyner, and the Elijah List.
I don't believe I'm doing something "rather" than "what God wants" when I at least educate myself in order to give a reply when these things come my way.
I don't believe it's a waste of time to share what I've learned. Once these things are believed it is hard for folks to dis-believe them.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/13/2008 1:00:12 AM
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Rather than wasting time criticizing them, we should be doing what God wants so that there is genuine revival.
20 years ago, those who were listening to God started home schooling. A fresh Reformation began, a deeper and more sober consecration to the glory of God and the gospel of His Christ. A new level of obedience set a new benchmark, calling Christians to do more, expect more, receive more.
My own "born again" life began in the context of revival, a miraculous and marvelous "Narnia year" that was set apart from the normal course of events, and gave me a hunger for the supernatural that led to a lot of unpleasant situations. When the moment of revival ended, I was stunned, and launched on a decades-spanning quest to ascertain what happened, why it quit happening, and what God might be up to next. I learned that God is more pleased when we work for Reformation than He is when we pray for revival. One event is transitory, ephemeral, and usually (often?) opens the door for satanic movements. Mormonism was born in the "burned-over district" that had suffered from too much "revival." The other event develops over the course of years and generations, and permanently changes the course of history.
Today, the first crop of the home schooling reformation is working its way into the structures of adult life -- and more than 90% of these young people want to raise their kids the same way. But, God does not stand still. He always has more for us. I want to be in on what God is up to.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/13/2008 6:17:11 AM
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Since collie fan didn't answer, may I?
Soaking is not meditation. Not an emptying of self as this would be dangerous and open one to demonic influence.
On the other hand, it is enjoying the presence and fellowship of God in prayer. It doesn't always happen. I can't make myself soak. But sometimes I have a special hunger for fellowship with God and the usual routine of Scripture reading and praying for those on my prayer list does not seem appropriate. On these occasions, I set my prayer list aside and listen and follow where God takes my mind.
Far from being an emptying, it is more like a filling. One can easily lose track of time.
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I have no problem with soaking prayer, when they start moving into things such a feathers, the chicken dance then I have problems
please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/13/2008 9:46:18 PM
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please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
Far from being "empty" it is simply an extended (hence the term soaking) time of focusing on the presence of God. Sometimes accompanied by scripture readings, sometimes by reflective worship music. It is time spent praying for each other and waiting for Him, through the HS, to speak about the situation.
The last service I went to was at several years ago at the Winter AMIA converence in Jacksonville. At the time I was facing a possibily severe health situation and was somewhat concerned. I left the service with such a peace that could not be described. A few weeks later the health condition was healed.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/14/2008 12:55:05 AM
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please explain to me your concept of "soaking" prayer. What I have been exposed to it is an "inward" turning and form of meditation. It is being "empty" in a presence.
Far from being "empty" it is simply an extended (hence the term soaking) time of focusing on the presence of God. Sometimes accompanied by scripture readings, sometimes by reflective worship music. It is time spent praying for each other and waiting for Him, through the HS, to speak about the situation.
The last service I went to was at several years ago at the Winter AMIA converence in Jacksonville. At the time I was facing a possibily severe health situation and was somewhat concerned. I left the service with such a peace that could not be described. A few weeks later the health condition was healed.
perhaps you have a different meaning of the word then how it is used and described on the internet. Sites that promote soaking use terms such as "entering rest." Essentially it is extreme contemplation. FOlks seek after some manifestation that they call the presence of God, perhaps a "tingling" and then rest in the "experience" and usually enter a "trance" state. It is an extreme form of altered consciousness. It is a "passive" action. When you experience something, there is no need to shut down. Much better when you experience the true Peace of God to praise him. What is described as soaking or marinating is extrabiblical and has roots in new age practices.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/14/2008 3:38:05 AM
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What is described as soaking or marinating is extrabiblical and has roots in new age practices.
Good old American pragmatism. If it works, do it. And don't look too closely at what "it" is. A favorite verse used by new agers (been there, done that, barely escaped with my sanity) is "Be still and know that I am God." The desired point of transcendence happens when one experiences said verse as ...
Be still and know that I am God.
As GKC said nearly a century ago, "For Jones to worship the inner light means ultimately for Jones to worship Jones."
The one major hurdle to achieving this sense of one's own divinity is that nagging little detail called common sense. I'm obviously not God. Therefore, to enter the desired transcendent state of consciousness, one must find ways to turn off one's mind. Repeat some mantra over and over, for example. Focus your attention on a koan -- a nonsense concept, like "the sound of one hand clapping" -- until your brain gets bored enough to go offline.
Or, a fragment of Scripture set to a droning, childish, melody.
The fact that a whole crowd can experience "it" together, simultaneously, has nothing to do with God. Tens of thousands of Mary-worshippers "saw" the sun spinning and throwing off colored arcs at Fatima. Those Hindus who are burning Christian homes in India today are having one heck of a spiritually exalting experience while they do it, like those Muslims who beheaded three Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia recently.
"Watchman Nee's" book[1] The Latent Power of the Soul convincingly makes the point that fallen man can, through various techniques, tap into and use the supernatural power given Adam to rule a world filled with other creatures. But today, only by giving up one's soul, or a chunk of it.
The problem is (and here I speak from experience as well as Scripture) -- once you've learned how to "turn off" your mind, and discovered how good it feels to "space out," how do you get a grip on life? Or on mentally-demanding activity? When it's so easy to "go on autopilot" and drift through life?
[1] A number of Nee's books were actually written by someone else, under his name, and to his great distress. A Chinese man would never, for example, refer to "people of color," himself included, as members of "the subject races."
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/15/2008 11:45:25 AM
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Rather than wasting time criticizing them, we should be doing what God wants so that there is genuine revival.
20 years ago, those who were listening to God started home schooling. A fresh Reformation began, a deeper and more sober consecration to the glory of God and the gospel of His Christ. A new level of obedience set a new benchmark, calling Christians to do more, expect more, receive more.
My own "born again" life began in the context of revival, a miraculous and marvelous "Narnia year" that was set apart from the normal course of events, and gave me a hunger for the supernatural that led to a lot of unpleasant situations. When the moment of revival ended, I was stunned, and launched on a decades-spanning quest to ascertain what happened, why it quit happening, and what God might be up to next. I learned that God is more pleased when we work for Reformation than He is when we pray for revival. One event is transitory, ephemeral, and usually (often?) opens the door for satanic movements. Mormonism was born in the "burned-over district" that had suffered from too much "revival." The other event develops over the course of years and generations, and permanently changes the course of history.
Today, the first crop of the home schooling reformation is working its way into the structures of adult life -- and more than 90% of these young people want to raise their kids the same way. But, God does not stand still. He always has more for us. I want to be in on what God is up to.
This was good.
It's been my observation that a "reformation" or, making disciples
is the only way to have a solid foundation. So called revivals come
and go and many are worse off than before. Hyped up experiences
solve nothing. Discipling builds up so we can truly rely upon the
Holy Spirit to strengthen and guide us through life.
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RE: Golden Gate Outpouring - 9/15/2008 6:15:08 PM
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So called revivals come and go and many are worse off than before. Hyped up experiences
solve nothing.
In 1700, Middlesex County, New England, fewer than 10% of the first babies arrived less than 8 months after the wedding. That percentage climbed by about 10% per decade. In the 1750s, at the peak of "The Great Awakening," more than half of the babies showed up early. As Charles Steinbeck mentioned in The Grapes of Wrath, the easiest time and place for a ruthless young man to seduce a woman was at a revival meeting.
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