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Galations - 9/22/2008 7:17:51 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Here's a thread for discussing Galations.
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RE: Galations - 9/23/2008 8:11:19 PM
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I am sorry! I haven't had a lot of time to be on as I usually am.
Kingdele, what I took exception with in the other thread was this:
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ORIGINALLY kingdele
I have to respectfully disagree with you and tell you that you are wrong. What Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of Galatians are those who come into the Churches he planted and started telling them that they need to be keeping the Mosaic Ceremonial-Law (EG: circumcision, Jewish-holidays & diets, etc). Those people were preaching that these laws need to be added to the people's faith and regeneration in order for them (the people) to be saved. You need to read the whole book of Galatians to find that out. You can't find this out by the proof-texting of so-called preachers who pull verses out of context and string them together to arrive at a conclusion that it is okay sin or be covetous.
By the way, although you may have figured out how to start a thread by now, here are a few little things. Please understand that I am writing to you like you know absolutely nothing, because I have no idea what you know.:
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RE: Galations - 9/24/2008 12:38:09 PM
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When I quote portions, I highlight the portion, copy and paste and hit quote.
My study pal and I started Galatians this week.
It was so interesting that I started Galatians
last night with our study group.
This should be interesting. If we all stay in context. LOL.
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RE: Galations - 9/24/2008 12:51:07 PM
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Galatians = Gaul
My dictionary has a map placing this in Europe.
Time is estimated in different commentaries.
From 48AD to 60 AD.
Two things I noticed in the first chapter.
1. (v.6-9) Paul declares there is only one Gospel.
(v.6) he was amazed they so quickly turned to a different gospel.
(v.7) which is not another gospel, unless deceivers want to turn
around the gospel of Messiah.
(v.23) Paul proclaims the gospel of faith which he was formerly
destroying.
2. We are told Paul spent 3 years in the desert being instructed by Christ.
Well, that's not what it says.
(v.15-18)
15. But when God chose, the One Who appointed me from my mother's womb
and Who called me through His grace,
16. to have revealed His Son to me, so that I would proclaim Him to the
heathens, I did not immediately consult flesh and blood
17. and I did not go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me,
but I went to Arabia, then again returned to Damascus.
18. Then [after three years] I went up to Jerusalem to get to know
Cephas and I stayed with him fifteen days,
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RE: Galations - 9/24/2008 2:25:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Galatians = Gaul
My dictionary has a map placing this in Europe.
That's incorrect. Gaul (modern France) is an area Paul never had a connection to as far as we know. "Galatia" was a Roman province in northern-central Turkey.
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RE: Galations - 9/24/2008 3:04:06 PM
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Lapidoth
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That's interesting, I'll have to get out my Bible Dictionary.
And I thought that letter was to my grand dad. lol.
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RE: Galations - 9/24/2008 3:17:57 PM
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Anatolia (Turkish: Anadolu) (Greek: Ανατολία, Anatolía) or Asia minor, comprising most of modern Turkey, is the geographic region bounded by the Black Sea to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the south, the Aegean Sea to the west, and the bulk of the Asian mainland to the east.
Source Wikipedia.
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RE: Galations - 9/25/2008 12:25:11 PM
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Lapidoth
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Looks like you guys are correct on the location.
Webster was going off the word itself apparently.
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RE: Galations - 9/25/2008 5:28:00 PM
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Time is estimated in different commentaries.
From 48AD to 60 AD.
I think Galatians was written around 47AD as the major issue of this letter (keeping the law) was resolved in Acts 15 which was (50-53 AD) so if it was written later Paul could have simply referred to Acts 15 instead of writing an emotional letter.
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RE: Galations - 9/25/2008 5:30:39 PM
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Galations is an interesting book...very misunderstood, I'll be chiming in on this later. I love this book.
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RE: Galations - 9/26/2008 12:41:15 PM
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Galations is an interesting book...very misunderstood, I'll be chiming in on this later. I love this book.
You're right LBolt.
It's a great book.
We have read so much into it that isn't there,
and left so much out of it that is there.
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RE: Galations - 9/26/2008 2:10:10 PM
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quote:
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Time is estimated in different commentaries.
From 48AD to 60 AD.
I think Galatians was written around 47AD as the major issue of this letter (keeping the law) was resolved in Acts 15 which was (50-53 AD) so if it was written later Paul could have simply referred to Acts 15 instead of writing an emotional letter.
The Apistolic Writings were not canonized until the hundreds. Until the Gutenberg press was invented people did not refer to documentation the way we do today, Usually one quoted the person from who the statement came or made a rational argument. Also, Paul was one of the people who was intrusted with the document and therefore, it would be presumed that he was intertpering that document. Finally, Paul was not making an emotional argument but a rational one. He may very well have used argument by extention to make his points, but that is a common tool for making a point in a rational argument.
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RE: Galations - 10/1/2008 10:19:22 PM
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Galations is one of my favorites books of the Bible.
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RE: Galations - 11/28/2008 1:45:09 AM
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I love the book of Galatians, but I have to agree that people frequently misunderstand it. Apostle Paul was trying to tell the new believers that the Ceremonial Law (not the moral requirements) of the Jewish Faith were no necessary for salvation.
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RE: Galations - 11/28/2008 10:24:20 AM
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There is a wonderful book on Galatians, I've been studying recently. It's called "Galatians, Luther, published by The Crossway Classic Commentaries, wittern by Alister McGrath & J I Packer"
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RE: Galations - 11/28/2008 1:47:21 PM
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The Apistolic Writings were not canonized until the hundreds. Until the Gutenberg press was invented people did not refer to documentation the way we do today, Usually one quoted the person from who the statement came or made a rational argument. Also, Paul was one of the people who was intrusted with the document and therefore, it would be presumed that he was intertpering that document. Finally, Paul was not making an emotional argument but a rational one. He may very well have used argument by extention to make his points, but that is a common tool for making a point in a rational argument.
You are correct that a canon of Scripture was not selected until the fourth century. When the Council accepted certain letters and writings, and rejected what they considerd repetitious writings and heretical writings. I would really like to have your foundational referrences that uphold that no one considered Scripture as we do today until the 1450"s.
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RE: Galations - 11/28/2008 4:08:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: kingdele
I love the book of Galatians, but I have to agree that people frequently misunderstand it. Apostle Paul was trying to tell the new believers that the Ceremonial Law (not the moral requirements) of the Jewish Faith were no necessary for salvation.
I believe, Paul was telling us that salavation is by grace through faith and nothing else. Even the "moral requirements" are not necessary for salvation. Any requirements whether given to us through Moshe'(Moses), Yeshua(Jesus) or Paul, are to be performed for social purposes or out of graditiude.
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RE: Galations - 11/28/2008 4:42:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
The Apistolic Writings were not canonized until the hundreds. Until the Gutenberg press was invented people did not refer to documentation the way we do today, Usually one quoted the person from who the statement came or made a rational argument. Also, Paul was one of the people who was intrusted with the document and therefore, it would be presumed that he was intertpering that document. Finally, Paul was not making an emotional argument but a rational one. He may very well have used argument by extention to make his points, but that is a common tool for making a point in a rational argument.
You are correct that a canon of Scripture was not selected until the fourth century. When the Council accepted certain letters and writings, and rejected what they considerd repetitious writings and heretical writings. I would really like to have your foundational referrences that uphold that no one considered Scripture as we do today until the 1450"s.
Thanks
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Sorry, the main point was that Paul would not have referenced the book of Acts. Also, he really didn't need to because He was personally commissioned by the Jerusalem council to go out with others to clarify any misunderstandings.
Regarding the Gutenberg reference, clerics and some nobles prior to that time had access to relatively rare handwritten copies, but the general public would not have refered to the Scriptures directly but would be dependant on the quotations of others. This is one limited access to the Scriptures was one of the things the reformers were concerned about. The Gutenberg press either brought this out or added support to the argument. This is not directly to the point. I was just using it to counter the apparent belief that Adonai's people have always used chapter and verse to support their arguments. Again if I got a little carried away in making the point.
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