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Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:38:17 AM
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csl7037
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Does he have a shot? I think the events of the last week are a "game changer" and he's really dead in the water right now. People are scared, misinformed, and confused and that's going to send them running right to Barrack Obama's reassuring form of socialism. Plus, I don't think McCain has really helped matters himself the last several days.
But, sadly, I think we're going to be stuck with Obama unless there is yet another "game changer" and I shutter to think what that would have to be to turn this tide. Short of something like another 9/11, which would be horrific, I think we'd better just brace ourselves - Obama's going to win this. And that doesn't bode well for our society, the economy, or anything else.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 10:42:09 AM
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Plus, I don't think McCain has really helped matters himself the last several days.
I have a higher regard for him now, since he put his responsibilities to the country as a Senator above his personal desire to win higher office... unlike his opponent.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:08:31 AM
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I don't remember any earth shattering, philosophy shaking events last week. My PoV on how to run the country has not shifted because the media runs a circus.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:17:31 AM
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Maybe. I'm praying for him.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:28:04 AM
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Plus, I don't think McCain has really helped matters himself the last several days.
I have a higher regard for him now, since he put his responsibilities to the country as a Senator above his personal desire to win higher office... unlike his opponent.
As has been mentioned on Capitol Hill several times by members of both parties, McCain hasn't done all that much to help the process. Methinks McCain needed to give his aides a little bit of time to help obstruct investigations looking into chicanery on the part of a certain Alaskan:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/palin.probe/index.html
Can anyone say Spiro Agnew?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:34:40 AM
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At this time I would conclude that this elction is gonna be won more by emotions than fact.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:37:46 AM
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Does he have a shot? I think the events of the last week are a "game changer" and he's really dead in the water right now. People are scared, misinformed, and confused and that's going to send them running right to Barrack Obama's reassuring form of socialism. Plus, I don't think McCain has really helped matters himself the last several days.
But, sadly, I think we're going to be stuck with Obama unless there is yet another "game changer" and I shutter to think what that would have to be to turn this tide. Short of something like another 9/11, which would be horrific, I think we'd better just brace ourselves - Obama's going to win this. And that doesn't bode well for our society, the economy, or anything else.
Let's look on the bright side. If Obummer wins and we have economic collapse with widespread famine and pestilence, then the Palin/Lieberman ticket will win handily in 2012. The GOP wil recapture the House and Senate and have a free hand to bring us back from the window ledge like it did in 2000.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:39:59 AM
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JimboFletch
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As has been mentioned on Capitol Hill several times by members of both parties, McCain hasn't done all that much to help the process...
And sitting on the sidelines taking potshots at someone actually trying to DO something positive is your idea of a good Senator and presidential candidate?
No wonder people are satisfied with empty calls for change... The very kind of reasoning that propelled Carter into the Whithehouse.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 11:45:46 AM
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Let's look on the bright side. If Obummer wins and we have economic collapse with widespread famine and pestilence, then the Palin/Lieberman ticket will win handily in 2012. The GOP wil recapture the House and Senate and have a free hand to bring us back from the window ledge like it did in 2000.
That's a possibilty, except for the thought that Palin would choose Lieberman as a running mate. I doubt that would happen.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 12:30:35 PM
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Can and will. God help us all if he doesn't.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 1:06:39 PM
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McCain can lose this, it's possible.
He has no ads running in FL according to news reports and not enough money to match Obama's Hollywood machine. FL is now a tie.
If ACORN can register thousands of fake democrat voters like they did in WA 2 years ago without getting caught, Obama will have bagged the country, temporarily of course.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 1:14:19 PM
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It does look like Republicans are gonna get slaughtered on all fronts this time. Hate to say it, but it's hard to see it not happening.
And frankly, they probably deserve it. Republicans have pretty much abandoned all vestiges of conservatism over the last decade or two.
The thought of a liberal Democratic congress and a liberal Democratic president is somewhat frightening, but that will show the people that liberal policies are wacko, and it will give the Republicans a chance to shape up for next time.
But there's still 40-odd days left, so we can hope and pray we don't have to experience that.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 1:24:44 PM
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But, sadly, I think we're going to be stuck with Obama
Would it be a TOS to say that I think I'm going to be sick?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 1:49:12 PM
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I do think people are so angry with economy and boxing it all issues together with Bush administration and Republican party that many may embrace Democratics and Obama to give it a chance to just different and maybe fix things...
Even when McCain is moderate and some or many Republicans had issues with his standings as non Republican, calling him "rino" etc some may not choose to embrace him because he is Republican and there is a growing need to find a scapegoat.
But someone last night at Fox, at Greta's.., I think was the ex house leader was talking about McCain lost big time opportunity, in not showing some leadership inside the party reggarding economic crises. People, do you guys remember last week he went to Washington to work hard about the issue etc etc and the debate was suppose to not go on etc
Well, emotions are sure sensitive and people are angry for many motives and the scapegoat ways will takes its course , if nothing new happens and both candidates keep going as they are going already the economy situation will end up giving the White House to the Democrats because for 8 years the Republicans have it.
I do think that the situation is so serious all eyes focus in the economy, that will not matter the VP's debates on Thrusday, at least in my mind will not make any difference at all and not looking for it because is just weightless right now.
My humble opinion.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 2:18:43 PM
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And frankly, they probably deserve it. Republicans have pretty much abandoned all vestiges of conservatism over the last decade or two.
Fully agree - certainly with respect to fiscal conservatism. The Bush administration has overspent massively. The Republican's biggest selling point should be small government - a la Reagan - but Bush has pretty much killed that one off.
McCain can still win, simply because of how much things can change in 40 days. In just 14 days, Palin's net approval plummeted from +17 to -10. It might well turn out she's got something less idiotic to say than her claim that Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience (just admit you don't have any, sweetheart! It's not a problem). Plus, there's the theory that pollsters report higher support for Obama than he'll actually get, due to latent racism - I'd like to think that's not true.
I don't think McCain will win it, though: the toss up states will be determined by the undecideds, who are likely to be put off by Palin, who's become the focus of the campaign. She'll mobilise the hardcore base, but do nothing for the independent voters. A voter who weighs up the Dems and the GOP - and therefore isn't hooked on either - is not the type who'll be swayed by 'Palin, she's a mom, she's just like me'-type arguments.
Out of interest - are they any/many on these boards who lean towards Obama?
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 2:24:25 PM
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Five weeks until election day, and that's an eternity in politics, but if I were Barack Obama, I'd be grinning from ear to ear at the moment. Ahead in every major poll, and ahead in every battleground state except one.
I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst. And if it happens, the GOP can rest asured they proved themselves still more than capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Maybe a wake up call is what they need, and if four years of total Democratic control in Washington doesn't do it, then I don't know what will.
Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna get rough from here...
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 2:37:42 PM
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no Mccain is not gonna win this .
IT is Barak's TIME.
I never "panic" at the polls, whats being said, etc.
During the primaries, everyone was Barak is not gonna beat Hillary, I was like watch, for months, oh she won this, he can't win, I just stuck to my guns and walla, he won. I'm sticking to what the Bible says.
Mccain don't fit in end times. Which we are in. Barak does.
I don't use my worldly glasses  anymore.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 4:41:48 PM
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McCain will win hands down. This election has never been in doubt and I'm constantly amazed at the people who think Obama has a chance. We must live in totally different worlds.
And to those who say God help us if by some fluke Obama wins, surely you're not suggesting that we won't need God's help should McCain win. As a fragile sinner saved by the blood, I will need God's help regardless of who is office.
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RE: Can John McCain still win this? - 9/30/2008 5:02:37 PM
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McCain will win hands down. This election has never been in doubt and I'm constantly amazed at the people who think Obama has a chance. We must live in totally different worlds.
That's the world I was living in October 1992!
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