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CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 12:16:09 PM
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miasma
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Swapping one answer to match another question, because his facts were wrong.
Here's the footage.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 12:43:09 PM
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John McCain, in a few weeks' time, has made public gaffes about Czechoslovakia, Somalia, Darfur, Afghanistan, Iraq (Pakistan border). He has conflated Shiite Iran w/ Sunni (and Salafi) Al-Qaeda.
And now, John McCain, who has repeatedly told America that foreign policy is his expertise, has reversed the timeline of the Awakening and the Surge.
Couric: Senator Obama says, while the increased number of U.S. troops contributed to increased security in Iraq, he also credits the Sunni Awakening and the Shiite government going after militias. And says that there might have been improved security even without the surge. What’s your response to that?
McCain: I don’t know how you respond to something that is such a false depiction of what actually happened. Colonel McFarlane was contacted by one of the major Sunni sheiks. Because of the Surge we were able to go out and protect the Sheik and others. And it began the Anbar Awakening. I mean, that’s just a matter of history.
This is preposterous. McCain keeps harping about how he is a foreign policy expert but he got the timeline completely wrong. And McCain insists it's Obama who doesn't know and understand what's happening in Iraq?
A matter of history - history which he is very ignorant of. This cannot be waved off as nervousness on the camera and it certainly cannot be neutralized by statements of factual error made by other politicians. If this man wants to be the next US president, if he insists he can and will lead us to victory and yet he is so completely unaware of the facts about the very history he claims he knows, I see absolutely no reason that McCain deserves the confidence of the American people when it comes to Iraq.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:06:26 PM
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Anyone who thinks that the major news media isn't in the tank for Obama either isn't paying attention to the news or is incapable of putting their own bias aside.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:09:29 PM
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Anyone who thinks that the major news media isn't in the tank for Obama either isn't paying attention to the news or is incapable of putting their own bias aside.
Then how would you explain CBS's editing of the interview with McCain?
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:14:13 PM
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Jhud
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This is just another manufactured controversy by the left to distract from the fact that McCain was right about the surge and Obama was wrong. The surge worked, had Obama been in office there would have been no surge and Iraq would be abandoned, end of story.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:19:35 PM
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The left made CBS edit the interview?
The surge worked in conjunction with other factors as Obama has corrected asserted. On the other hand, McCain has been proven wrong on several things about Iraq, WMDs being but one of them.
As for speculating what Obama would have been responsible for had he been in office, it's completely irrelevant and nothing but speculation.
McCain has been factually incorrect several times over the past few weeks on the area he ostensibly is strong in - foreign policy. Boasts shown empty by his own ignorance.
THAT is the end of the story.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:25:30 PM
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Jhud
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The left made CBS edit the interview?
The surge worked in conjunction with other factors as Obama has corrected asserted. On the other hand, McCain has been proven wrong on several things about Iraq, WMDs being but one of them.
As for speculating what Obama would have been responsible for had he been in office, it's completely irrelevant and nothing but speculation.
McCain has been factually incorrect several times over the past few weeks on the area he ostensibly is strong in - foreign policy. Boasts shown empty by his own ignorance.
THAT is the end of the story.
I don't give a rip what caused CBS to 'edit' the intervew (which is of course available in full, video and transcript on their website, which is odd if there was a cover up) - I only care that when it came to actual policy decisions, McCain was right and Obama was (and still is) wrong.
The irony is that Obama waltzed around a peaceful Iraq with ease because of McCain's successful strategy, and then claimed it didn't really work. Now that is revising history.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:31:48 PM
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The left made CBS edit the interview?
The surge worked in conjunction with other factors as Obama has corrected asserted. On the other hand, McCain has been proven wrong on several things about Iraq, WMDs being but one of them.
As for speculating what Obama would have been responsible for had he been in office, it's completely irrelevant and nothing but speculation.
McCain has been factually incorrect several times over the past few weeks on the area he ostensibly is strong in - foreign policy. Boasts shown empty by his own ignorance.
THAT is the end of the story.
I don't give a rip what caused CBS to 'edit' the intervew (which is of course available in full, video and transcript on their website, which is odd if there was a cover up) - I only care that when it came to actual policy decisions, McCain was right and Obama was (and still is) wrong.
The irony is that Obama is waltzed around a peaceful Iraq with ease because of McCain's successful strategy, and then claimed it didn't really work. Now that is revising history.
McCain is looking only at one factor; Obama is looking at the larger picture - which is necessary considering how complex this war, and the country it is being fought it, is.
Additionally, if you're going to speak about waltzing, then maybe you should remember that McCain talked about how peaceful the Shorja market was when he went there in April 2007 only for the Shorja market to be the scene of a nasty bombing with deaths the day after. But McCain waltzed with US military personnel as bodyguards and choppers flying overhead.
Finally, the surge idea/strategy was not devised by John McCain, so your claim Obama is revising history is groundless as the strategy was never McCain's to begin with.
And for anyone who wants to sample historical revisionism, the CBS transcript is a fantastic example of a foreign policy "expert" assertively revising history while thinking he knows what he's talking about.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:33:55 PM
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Anyone who thinks that the major news media isn't in the tank for Obama either isn't paying attention to the news or is incapable of putting their own bias aside.
So you are in favor of the Fairness Doctrine?
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 1:41:02 PM
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Jhud
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McCain is looking only at one factor; Obama is looking at the larger picture - which is necessary considering how complex this war, and the country it is being fought it, is.
Additionally, if you're going to speak about waltzing, then maybe you should remember that McCain talked about how peaceful the Shorja market was when he went there in April 2007 only for the Shorja market to be the scene of a nasty bombing with deaths the day after. But McCain waltzed with US military personnel as bodyguards and choppers flying overhead.
Finally, the surge idea/strategy was not devised by John McCain, so your claim Obama is revising history is groundless as the strategy was never McCain's to begin with.
And for anyone who wants to sample historical revisionism, the CBS transcript is a fantastic example of a foreign policy "expert" assertively revising history while thinking he knows what he's talking about.
I appreciate you attempts to spin Obama's views on things (funny how often you do that not supporting him and all) but the certain facts in all this is Iraq was turned around primarily by the surge, which McCain strongly supported even as others wavered (indeed, before the Administration moved on it) and it worked.
The only other fact that is really relevant is that Obama opposed it then, and opposes it today, regardless of the facts that he saw with his own eyes. McCain may not be a historian, but Obama can't even deal with present realities.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 2:08:11 PM
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Cow: How does me saying the news media has a left wing bias = me wanting the fairness doctrine?
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 3:24:35 PM
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Cow: How does me saying the news media has a left wing bias = me wanting the fairness doctrine?
You can't complain about unfairness and decry the Fairness Doctrine. No point of view is devoid of news outlets in this day and time. People that feel they are just getting one side simply aren't making any effort.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 5:29:55 PM
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Jhud
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Scarbourough echoes my sentiments on the supposed McCain gaffe.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 6:43:04 PM
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Whether or not CBS posted the transcript is irrelevent. There's going to be a portion of people who only take what they see in the televised interview and in that CBS is in the wrong. They shouldn't have edited the interview the way that they did because at that point it ceases to be news and becomes propoganda.
Of course pro-McCain propoganda is fine, because he's a war hero and a republican.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 7:00:15 PM
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Jhud
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Whether or not CBS posted the transcript is irrelevent. There's going to be a portion of people who only take what they see in the televised interview and in that CBS is in the wrong. They shouldn't have edited the interview the way that they did because at that point it ceases to be news and becomes propoganda.
Of course pro-McCain propoganda is fine, because he's a war hero and a republican.
Well, I doubt very much that anyone takes what they see on CBS without a grain of salt (or watch it at all). That being said, I agree they shouldn't have edited it the way they did - but that would be an issue with CBS, not John McCain.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 7:28:33 PM
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The surge worked, had Obama been in office there would have been no surge and Iraq would be abandoned, end of story.
Had Republicans not got totally pummeled in the '06 mid terms there would have been no surge. Everything was "stay the course" until then.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 7:38:58 PM
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Had Republicans not got totally pummeled in the '06 mid terms there would have been no surge. Everything was "stay the course" until then.
Well, McCain was calling for troop increases long before that. And since the Democrats won the midterms, on the promise that they would reduce troop involvement, the surge was an up hill battle.
But I will say it probably didn't happen before the elections because of fears about what effect it would have on the elections.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 7:48:30 PM
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bzirk
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Cow: How does me saying the news media has a left wing bias = me wanting the fairness doctrine?
You can't complain about unfairness and decry the Fairness Doctrine. No point of view is devoid of news outlets in this day and time. People that feel they are just getting one side simply aren't making any effort.
LOL!! Yes, people can. Since when do we need a fairness doctrine to decry hypocrisy? Last time I checked the Constitution, we can decry anything we want to. That was going on long before there was a fairness doctrine. The repeal of the fairness doctrine doesn't mean anyone has to shut up about the bias going on.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 8:11:46 PM
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So let me get this straight.
CBS put a fake transcript up to incriminate themselves in some sort of Machiavelian scheme to undermine McCain when he's doing a fine job of that by himself?
And what flavor of kool aid are you drinking?
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 8:22:13 PM
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Jhud
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So let me get this straight.
CBS put a fake transcript up to incriminate themselves in some sort of Machiavelian scheme to undermine McCain when he's doing a fine job of that by himself?
And what flavor of kool aid are you drinking?
While I certainly don't think that, I am not sure that such a notion is any less paranoid than the idea that somehow the McCain campaign maufactured an edited tape and had it broadcast on the evening news.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/23/2008 8:27:35 PM
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So let me get this straight.
CBS put a fake transcript up to incriminate themselves in some sort of Machiavelian scheme to undermine McCain when he's doing a fine job of that by himself?
And what flavor of kool aid are you drinking?
You missed the point of the post.
I don't know what CBS did, but they have proven they're not trustworthy about reporting accurately. Why should I trust them? Or Keith Olbermann, who is admittedly biased?
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/24/2008 8:19:46 AM
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Well, McCain was calling for troop increases long before that. And since the Democrats won the midterms, on the promise that they would reduce troop involvement, the surge was an up hill battle.
Unlike the president McCain actually has military experience and is much better at listening to others. That I do respect about him. Correct also on the midterms I am not exactly happy about the fact they didn't get us out of Iraq but I'm happy about where it's at and I believe it's closer to being finished than many realize. The main thing now is suicide bombings but looking at Israel, Lebanon and Palestine they deal with that constantly and if Iraq can get it under as much control as even Lebanon I think that is as good as it will ever get.
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But I will say it probably didn't happen before the elections because of fears about what effect it would have on the elections.
I believe that could be true but it was a mistake. It was obvious to many that we were on the wrong course and that staying on it wasn't going to get it done. The reason I would differ from this is because of the leadership changes after the election - Rummy gone and Petraeus promoted. While I'm no war fan at least Petraeus came across as someone who knew what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it.
As far as where Obama and McCain stand on Iraq I believe they have both been consistent on it. I also don't believe that the surge is the sole reason for the improvements but it is an important reason. I think it was a combination of the surge (which I even advocated if we would ever increase troop levels it would improve things), the fact that Iraqis grew tired of AQ since it is mostly foreigners anyway and more of a threat to their way of life than Americans, the surprise truce by Sadr which I have no idea what the point was except his people are tired of this to and lastly the result of the '06 midterms. I mention the midterms because a big message sent by the American people that we don't want to be over there for a hundred years. I think it helped assuage the doubts of those Iraqis who don't want us there for 100 years either. I believe the consistent message they have sent was they want us there no longer than is needed and the people of the US don't want to be there that long but it looks like we'll be there long enough.
As for the "timeline" I don't think that Obama's plan is unrealistic. AQ will move to Afghanistan and I have no clue what Hezbollah and Iran will do with their shiite militias after we pull out. Such a date though would still be 2 years away and if the progress seen this year was actual progress and not a dream it isn't unrealistic. I dont understand the opposition to it to be truthful.
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RE: CBS airs edited McCain interview - 7/24/2008 11:43:46 AM
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I appreciate you attempts to spin Obama's views on things (funny how often you do that not supporting him and all) but the certain facts in all this is Iraq was turned around primarily by the surge, which McCain strongly supported even as others wavered (indeed, before the Administration moved on it) and it worked.
Whereas McCain was wrong on the chronology you are wrong in saying that the surge was McCain's strategy. His support for it does not make it "his" as he is not the one who created the surge strategy.
McCain was wrong on the chronology and he has been wrong re: Iraq on a number of things, perhaps most notoriously his "waltz" through Shorja and his comments of how peaceful it was there. A bombing the next day proved him wrong.
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The only other fact that is really relevant is that Obama opposed it then, and opposes it today, regardless of the facts that he saw with his own eyes. McCain may not be a historian, but Obama can't even deal with present realities.
Dealing with present realities would require acknowledging the other factors regarding the surge. Such factors as that US troops started to disarm Sunni Iraqis in the capital. Once defenseless, Shia groups came in and ethnically cleansed them. So if death tolls went down - the trumpet card of McCain and surge apologists - it's because there were fewer mixed neighborhoods in Baghdad.
Further expulsions stopped only when US troops wised up to what they were doing re: ethnic cleansing and began to support the Sunni groups (Awakening Councils). Again, this is not necessarily a permanent solution because we've been paying them off. If the money flow stops, there's nothing to guarantee they won't turn their guns on the Shiites or on us.
These facts, and several others, are completely lost on McCain (and on you as well), and this interview convicts him of the very historical revisionism you revile.
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