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Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/27/2008 4:20:56 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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I bet you this guy never expected to the FBI at his door. Goes to show though that stealing is stealing whether it is from the store or internet.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/ap_en_mu/blogger_arrested
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/27/2008 8:48:57 PM
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At this point, it seems to me that Axl should just be grateful there's anyone out there still interested. "Financial loss" my Great Aunt Fanny. The guy should have been arrested for making really bad music available.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 4:07:12 AM
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Honestly, I think that filesharing should be a legal form of discovering new music with the idea that you will delete it and then buy the stuff you really like. Consider that sales actually went up when Napster was at it's peak. And they didn't really fall until the labels started suing people.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 6:43:32 AM
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I bet you this guy never expected to the FBI at his door. Goes to show though that stealing is stealing whether it is from the store or internet.
While I believe that file sharing is stealing the fact that the government defines it as such (i.e. that he got arrested) does not make it so. In other words just because he got arrested doesn't mean he actually stole anything. Conversely, if he didn't get arrested it wouldn't be evidence that he did not steal anything.
Laws and morality are two different things. They intersect in two ways. The first is that moral people follow the law as long as it is not unjust and that we hope that the laws the government makes are moral. I'm afraid that if the current direction of this country is unchanged then there will be a growing disconnect between what is immoral and what is illegal.
And yes Napster and other file sharing* services are great ways to share music and with proper safeguards would probably push sales. But artists (or more likely the labels that hold the rights to sell their music) have the right to be hard headed and not avail themselves of this promotional tool.
* File sharing is the wrong term. File streaming is more like it. The user having a permanent file of the song may not be the best way to drive sales. Being able to play the song in a limited way (through a website) with the rights owner being able to take it down at any time is the way to go.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 7:24:14 AM
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At this point, it seems to me that Axl should just be grateful there's anyone out there still interested. "Financial loss" my Great Aunt Fanny. The guy should have been arrested for making really bad music available.
I agree. I've heard most of this album and it's REALLY bad.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 10:24:55 AM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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so why not change the law? I am all for sharing music but I will not let my son because I do not want FBI at my doorstep because my son downloaded music.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 11:36:01 AM
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so why not change the law? I am all for sharing music but I will not let my son because I do not want FBI at my doorstep because my son downloaded music.
Because big record companies want to limit how songs can be shared. While I think they go a little overboard (to absurdity in some cases) you can't blame them for wanting to protect their investment.
To be blunt the real problem is dishonesty. Most people will take advantage of any opportunity to get something free instead of using song sharing to decide which music they will purchase. If people would have been more honest (including myself but I will say I eventually bought most of which I downloaded) during the Napster craze perhaps the laws and preventative measures (anti copying software and the like) wouldn't be so strict and harsh.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 12:35:01 PM
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Yeah, the nerve of those musicians. Expecting to get paid for their hard work. Funny how the label always gets a bad rap in these discussions, when at least part of their problem with file sharing is the fact that the artists don't get royalties for stuff that's copied from one computer to another.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 1:42:02 PM
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Is it the same for an ipod? my son is always downloading new songs, but perhaps not since he pays for the song instead of the whole album.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 2:26:24 PM
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Downloading from places like iTunes or Rhapsody is perfectly legal because they're paying the royalties.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 3:16:34 PM
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I like Napster because I pay a monthly fee and can stream millions of songs for free. This has saved me a lot of money from buying an artist or album blind. And since I have "Napster to go" I can download songs to up to three MP3 players (sorry no iPods).
Certain artists are ultra-mercenary in that they want you to buy every song. Not one song can be streamed for free. What I find ironic is that usually the most popular mega rich bands do this more often than the small guys, that could use the money more, usually give you the most for free. Go figure!
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/28/2008 4:03:36 PM
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That's because the little guy is still trying to be heard. And they probably aren't forking over 20% to an agent.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/29/2008 10:29:23 AM
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I'm sorry but getting your hands on songs that aren't even released yet and releasing them is just low. I refuse to buy any music from an RIAA act because of the way they have handled the file sharing lawsuits but this guy deserves any and everything and worse that the people who are in court because some kid piggybacked their connection and stole music files are getting. 
It reminds me of a song, "I broke the law and the law won!" Maybe he never heard that one!
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/29/2008 11:52:13 AM
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"I broke the law and the law won!" This should go into the misheard lyrics thread. It's I fought the law and the law won. By Nick Lowe, I believe.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/29/2008 12:50:49 PM
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This law is black or white. Law makers need to examine they way the law is written and make distinctions between someone streaming music on their blog and people who download things like this to use to make a profit !
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/29/2008 1:04:02 PM
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/29/2008 11:17:40 PM
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"I broke the law and the law won!" This should go into the misheard lyrics thread. It's I fought the law and the law won. By Nick Lowe, I believe.
No, that song was orginally recorded by The Bobby Fuller Four in the Sixties.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/30/2008 12:35:48 AM
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I'm sorry but getting your hands on songs that aren't even released yet and releasing them is just low. I refuse to buy any music from an RIAA act because of the way they have handled the file sharing lawsuits but this guy deserves any and everything and worse that the people who are in court because some kid piggybacked their connection and stole music files are getting.
Yes, from reading the article, I believe that he more got in trouble for making unreleased music public more than making songs available. While both are still technically illegal, he violated confidentiality by releasing them instead.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/30/2008 8:49:13 AM
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"I broke the law and the law won!" This should go into the misheard lyrics thread. It's I fought the law and the law won. By Nick Lowe, I believe.
No, that song was orginally recorded by The Bobby Fuller Four in the Sixties.
Oh yeah, forgot about that one. The Nick Lowe version gets more air play then the Bobby Fuller one.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/30/2008 1:18:56 PM
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Yeah, the nerve of those musicians. Expecting to get paid for their hard work. Funny how the label always gets a bad rap in these discussions, when at least part of their problem with file sharing is the fact that the artists don't get royalties for stuff that's copied from one computer to another.
Same lame arguement others have given.
Most musicians don't make that much off of the album sales. that's why bands like The Goo Goo Dolls started fighting the music industry. They are just one example of bands that have been ripped off by the labels. Chuck D was saying that he'd love to see the death of the labels.
If you really want to support an artist, go see them in concert.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/30/2008 3:46:55 PM
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The Barenaked Ladies decided to go independent with their latest release because they wanted the freedom to control their music. They do not have the marketing that they would otherwise have, but at least they are in control of their music now though.
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RE: Blogger arrested for streaming songs - 8/30/2008 8:33:31 PM
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Most musicians don't make that much off of the album sales. that's why bands like The Goo Goo Dolls started fighting the music industry. They are just one example of bands that have been ripped off by the labels. Chuck D was saying that he'd love to see the death of the labels.
Yeah occasionnally I want to write John Fogerty a check for the royalties he never got though that one was his fault. ; )
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