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Bishop TD Jakes - 4/14/2007 1:50:47 AM
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devinevessel
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I couldn't find any threads on him. I have read in several threads that Bihop TD Jakes is a false teacher. I used to watch him when I was getting ready for church but I haven't watched him for some time. It also seems like preachers who have mega churches are seen as false teachers. I say this also because the pastors of mega churches have been labed as false teachers in other threads. Anyway, why is he seen as a false teacher by some?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/14/2007 6:44:04 AM
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There are two main reasons that I remember. First, he is a prosperity teacher. At least that is the accusation. He would be seen as an advocate of the health and wealth "gospel." Second, his background is from a Oneness Pentecostal denomination. It would be a group that denies the Trinity in favor of Monism. Having once taught or believed that he has never given any indication of changing that belief. It is seen by orthodox Christianity as heresy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD_Jakes
On the subject of Monism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monism
On the subject of the Trinity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
On the subject of Word of Faith, he is recognized as a part of those ministers who believe that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_gospel
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/14/2007 7:00:18 AM
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Hi---------
Jakes is a pentecostal and holds the oneness view (Some of our trinitarian brethren are upset with this)
Jakes preaches the prosperity gospel (this too rubs some the wrong way)
The problem is folks will label others without listening to the message and seeing the works behind them. Here are some of Jakes' views from his own mouth and some of the works he has done
Jakes on the Godhead
While I mix with Christians from a broad range of theological perspectives, I speak only for my personal faith and convictions. I am not a theologian, and I avoid quoting even theologians who agree with me. To defend my beliefs, I go directly to the Bible.
My views on the Godhead are from 1 John 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." (NKJV)
I believe in one God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe these three have distinct and separate functions � so separate that each has individual attributes, yet are one. I do not believe in three Gods.
T.D. Jakes, "My Views on the Godhead", Christianity Today Online edition
Jakes mission field
Heralded on the ministry website as “pastor, community advocate, humanitarian, author, song writer, playwright, conference speaker and broadcaster,” Jakes reaches out to the homeless, drug and alcohol addicted, prostitutes and single mothers, and others with ministries designed to touch the hurting by taking tangible relief and remedy beyond church walls. In addition to a host of more traditional ministries, Rahab International Ministries for victims of domestic abuse, New Creation Prison and Jail Ministry, reaching the community of the incarcerated – offender, releasee and family, The Guardians, promoting spiritual growth and cultivating self sufficiency among the homeless, and Samaritan Ministry, working with the HIV infected all serve to illustrate why Jakes has earned a reputation as “Shepherd to the shattered.” ------ from ministrywatch.com
Jakes' sermons usually focus on the regeneration of salvation and the love and mercy that is found in Christ---few sermons focus on hell or the penalty for sin.One must take in to consideration though his target audience,those currently living a life of "hell" as it were so these folks already know that what they have isn't working.
Jakes is what we old timers refer to as a "jail house preacher" basically that our job is to get folks saved by telling them about Jesus and the grace that is in Christ (and a faith that if we will allow Him to)will work to clean them up.This he does very well and personally I think the world could use a few more like him.
much love---------knuckle
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/14/2007 9:41:22 PM
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Thanks for the response guys. I will have to do research based on what was said on this thread.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/15/2007 6:57:16 PM
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There have been a couple of TD Jakes threads already (that are still in the archives). I'll sum up what I said in those threads:
TD Jakes is a false teacher who seeks the approval of men by preaching wishy-washy doctrine that relies on blatantly wrong application of scripture.
Here are the threads:
In Theology -> The Church: TD Jakes Mega Fest--Should a Christian Go?
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/m_321292/mpage_1/tm.htm
My comments start on page two. The meat of my comments is on page three. (see, especially, post #52. Which references the article Knuckle quoted in this thread.)
Also in Theology -> The Church: T. D. Jakes idea of the Trinity.
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/m_1020519/mpage_1/tm.htm
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/15/2007 7:34:10 PM
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knuckle you said something about him not believing in 3 Gods etc and the oneness view. Could you please explain what the oneness view is? I haven't heard of it before? And I don't see what is so wrong about how he described the Godhead?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/15/2007 7:45:26 PM
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ok i read some posts so what he basically believes is God the father was in the OT, Jesus was NT and Holy Spirit is now? That doesn't really match up with scripture does it?
I am confused. I am an AOG member, I think we believe God is made up of 3 persons, they each have their own part to play etc but they are all God together, they are not separate. So does TD Jakes not believe that?
I wonder then if he doesn't believe that why AOG churches invite him to speak at their conferences?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/15/2007 11:00:09 PM
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I am confused. I am an AOG member, I think we believe God is made up of 3 persons, they each have their own part to play etc but they are all God together, they are not separate. So does TD Jakes not believe that?
I wonder then if he doesn't believe that why AOG churches invite him to speak at their conferences?
Although I am not AoG (I'm Southern Baptist), I have several friends and family members who are AoG (one of my closest cousins is an AoG pastor). Unfortunately, many AoG churches have bought into the "name-it-and-claim-it" gospel, a gospel that is Jakes' bread and butter. Many AoG churches are very conservative and hold to scriptural Christianity, but many are swayed by whatever doctrine tickles the ears.
Jakes' own website says he believes God has three "manifestaions", not "persons. That word - "manifestations" - places Jakes squarely into the Oneness camp and out of the realm of orthodox Christianity. View his belief statement for yourself:
http://www.thepottershouse.org/PH_beliefs.html
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 12:55:12 AM
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thanks howling wind, I am not sure on the whole manifestations things, can anyone explain that?
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 5:23:51 AM
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Hi Nichole---------
not being a trinitarian myself,I too find the differences between oneness and the trinitarians hard to put into words. Basically the trinitarians believe that God is composed of three (Father,Son and Holy Spirit)each separate and eternal"Beings" that make up one God.Three strands making one rope if you will.The oneness folk believe in one God who holds three offices or manifestations(Father,Son and Holy Spirit) Water can be ice liquid or steam but it is still the same water.
Confused as to where one description is closer than the other?I sure am.I have attended many many churches in my life and personally I find that a finite mind has trouble grasping the concept of an Infinite God and that the differences folks have in this area are not such an obstacle that it should separate us.
Perhaps that makes me a heretic.When discussing doctrine with my fellows the question I find most most important is Do you believe that God so loved the world(thats every man woman and child) so much that He sent His Only Begotten Son (Who came as a man, took on our sin,was crucified Died in our stead was Buried and rose again) so that we by faith may have eternal life?If they can answer yes to this it makes them my brethren and this one point of agreement is more powerful than any differences we may have
as always,much love---------knuckle
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 6:50:58 AM
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knuckle you said something about him not believing in 3 Gods etc and the oneness view. Could you please explain what the oneness view is? I haven't heard of it before? And I don't see what is so wrong about how he described the Godhead?
In post #2, I posted a link to an article by Wikipedia on Monism. That should explain it.
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Jakes' own website says he believes God has three "manifestaions", not "persons. That word - "manifestations" - places Jakes squarely into the Oneness camp and out of the realm of orthodox Christianity. View his belief statement for yourself:
The last time I checked out his website, it didn't say that. In fact, folks complained that it was evasive. Apparently it has changed.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 7:15:09 AM
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Larry I read that site and it just confused me.
Knuckles, I don't really see the major difference in how you described it, i have had it explained to me like the water ice steam thing and like an egg with the shell, yolk and white bit etc. I agree with what you said here
"When discussing doctrine with my fellows the question I find most most important is Do you believe that God so loved the world(thats every man woman and child) so much that He sent His Only Begotten Son (Who came as a man, took on our sin,was crucified Died in our stead was Buried and rose again) so that we by faith may have eternal life?If they can answer yes to this it makes them my brethren and this one point of agreement is more powerful than any differences we may have"
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 11:35:03 AM
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I couldn't find any threads on him. I have read in several threads that Bihop TD Jakes is a false teacher. I used to watch him when I was getting ready for church but I haven't watched him for some time. It also seems like preachers who have mega churches are seen as false teachers. I say this also because the pastors of mega churches have been labed as false teachers in other threads. Anyway, why is he seen as a false teacher by some?
The size of the church should NEVER be correlated with whether or not there are "false teachings" at the church. Churches of ANY size can have either "solid teachers" or "false teachers"....
The reason our particular church has grown from 0 to 24,000 members over the past 30 years is the "solid teaching" of our pastor, as well as the solid teaching that occurs in all of the ministerial areas of the church (be it childrens ministry, adult bible fellowship classes, music & worship, etc..etc...)
Some of the smallest churches can have "false teachers", as well...we experience that at my inlaws VERY small church....we reluctantly attend there when visiting, out of "courtesy" to my inlaws...and, the "false teachings" aren't "rampant", though, it's just enough to know that if we lived there, we certainly wouldn't go there.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 3:18:07 PM
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ok i read some posts so what he basically believes is God the father was in the OT, Jesus was NT and Holy Spirit is now? That doesn't really match up with scripture does it?
No, it most certainly does not. See some of the threads I'm going to link to later in this post for details on just how much that view conflicts with scripture.
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I am confused. I am an AOG member, I think we believe God is made up of 3 persons, they each have their own part to play etc but they are all God together, they are not separate. So does TD Jakes not believe that?
Quite frankly, I don't know that Jakes actually believes anything. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, and distorts scripture so badly, it's hard for me to believe that he is actually convinced of the words that are coming out of his mouth. It's his willingness to say whatever pleases men that allows him to straddle the gap between "oneness" and trinitarian doctrine, while still being thoroughly heretical in his teachings.
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The last time I checked out his website, it didn't say that. In fact, folks complained that it was evasive. Apparently it has changed.
The website changed several times, altering wording, Bible references, adding and removing whole sections... all in the course of a few weeks during previous discussions on Jake's doctrine. I imagine it changes quite a bit to suit whatever group that Jakes is currently pandering to.
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Basically the trinitarians believe that God is composed of three (Father,Son and Holy Spirit)each separate and eternal"Beings" that make up one God.Three strands making one rope if you will.
PLEASE, do not try and talk about what trinitarian doctrine teaches if you don't actually know what it teaches. Trinitarians believe that there is one Being of God, the Son is one Being with the Father. They are different persons, but one being. They are also not seperate, they are distinct, but they are also in unity (tri + unity = trinity).
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Confused as to where one description is closer than the other?I sure am.I have attended many many churches in my life and personally I find that a finite mind has trouble grasping the concept of an Infinite God and that the differences folks have in this area are not such an obstacle that it should separate us.
Actually, they should be differences that should separate us, because trinitarian doctrine is what scripture teaches, and modalistic doctrine is contradictory to scripture. Just because human minds cannot grasp the entirety of God's nature, does not mean that God hasn't told us anything about Himself. God has told us about His nature, in scripture, and He has revealed that He is triune. This is definite in scripture, and "oneness" doctrine contradicts scripture over and over again. This is not a question of what man can reason on His own, but it is a question of what scripture declares to be true.
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When discussing doctrine with my fellows the question I find most most important is Do you believe that God...sent His Only Begotten Son...
There, right there, is one of the biggest problems of modalism. "Oneness" doctrine does not believe that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of GOD, not the way that the Bible talks about sonship and being begotten. "Oneness" believes that Jesus Christ is begotten of humanity but, because they reject the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ, they reject that He is begotten of God.
Here are some threads where trinitarian doctrine is already being discussed, please read them and relieve your ignorance:
The most recent is in Theology -> God: What is the Trinity?
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/What_is_the_Trinity/m_2260049/tm.htm
This thread deals most pointedly with Christ's eternal Sonship, as well as debunking the "oneness" stance.
In the same folder:
Is Jesus the SON only or is he the Father and the Holy Spirit too?
Help: What is the problem people have with The Trinity?
Let's get a discussion going on Oneness Pentecostalism.
Jesus & God-- 1 person or two?? Help!
question about the trinity.
And in Theology -> Christian Doctrine:
Trinity vs. Oneness Penecostalism vs.Modalism
Trinity?
In Theology -> The Bible
Acknowledgement of the Trinity
In Theology -> Salvation issues:
Trinity ?
(This one actually addresses the issue of belief in the trinity is necessary for salvation.)
As you can see there are many many threads already on trinitarian doctrine (more than I've listed, in fact, those are just the most relevant). Please take discussion of what trinitarian doctrine is to those threads. This thread should be about TD Jakes, his doctrine, and how his doctrine conflicts with Christian doctrine (please read the Terms of Service, Range of Doctrine and Statement of Faith if you're confused on what is agreed upon as Christian doctrine on this site.)
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 7:02:50 PM
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thanks, I appreciate what you wrote and the time you took to look up those threads. I read some. I don't have time to sit and sift through the whole lot. It's also very wordy and hard to get what everyone means.
Is there anyone who can in a nutshell say what TD believes and if there is any scripture to back it up, and what is the opposite view and scriptures to look it up, that's all I was after, man can give all their opinions but I am going to test it with the Word.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 7:32:06 PM
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Figment
thanks, I appreciate what you wrote and the time you took to look up those threads. I read some. I don't have time to sit and sift through the whole lot. It's also very wordy and hard to get what everyone means.
Is there anyone who can in a nutshell say what TD believes and if there is any scripture to back it up, and what is the opposite view and scriptures to look it up, that's all I was after, man can give all their opinions but I am going to test it with the Word.
Thanks
nicole,
Jakes and nearly everyone else believe that they have tested their beliefs with the Word of God. But, the truth is, everyone interprets. Jakes would have us believe that he doesn't have any theological rigamoarole and that he believes it is all the word of God.
Monism, Oneness and the Trinity----none of those words are in the Bible. But they are all words describing what people believe. If you examine the scriptures supporting each POV, all will sound equally plausible. So, I am trying to say that it is not so simple as you probably expect.
Trinitarianism and Monism both view the nature of God in different ways. Although I tend to agree that Monism is heretical, I am not sure how serious a heresy it is.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 7:47:32 PM
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Larry can you describe either view in lay man's terms for me?
I understand that people will use the Word to push their message, but I was just interested in what verses both sides actually use.
I took this from the AOG australia website, is this trinitarian or oneness?
"We believe in one eternal God who is the Creator of all things. He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. He is totally loving and completely holy"
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 8:43:57 PM
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Figment
thanks, I appreciate what you wrote and the time you took to look up those threads. I read some. I don't have time to sit and sift through the whole lot. It's also very wordy and hard to get what everyone means.
Is there anyone who can in a nutshell say what TD believes and if there is any scripture to back it up, and what is the opposite view and scriptures to look it up, that's all I was after, man can give all their opinions but I am going to test it with the Word.
Thanks
I don't know what TD believes, as I said I don't think he actually believes anything. I do know what he has taught, though, and I already linked to my criticism of it (in post #5 of this thread). I'll copy and paste this time:
From" TD Jakes Mega Fest--Should a Christian Go? in Theology -> The Church
http://faithcommunitynetwork.com/m_321292/mpage_1/tm.htm
Page #3, post #52
"T.D. Jakes said in this article:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/108/13.0.html"
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The language in the doctrinal statement of our ministry that refers to the Trinity of the Godhead as "manifestations" does not derive from modalism. The Apostle Paul himself used this term referring to the Godhead in 1 Timothy 3:15, 1 Corinthians 12:7, and 1 John 3:5-8. Peter also used the term in 1 Peter 1:20. Can this word now be heresy when it is a direct quote from the Pauline epistles and used elsewhere in the New Testament?
"Shall we look at those verses?"
1 Timothy 3:16
16By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.
1 Cor 12:7
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 John 3:8
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 Peter 1:20
20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
"Not even one of these passages is talking about God manisfesting Himself as Father, Son or Holy Spirit. Three speak of the Son becoming manifest (revealed) in the flesh, and one talks about the Holy Spirit manifesting as gifts in the believers life. At the very least this is very very bad understanding of scripture, but I suspect it is much worse than that. I think this shows that T. D. Jakes has a fundamentally flawed understanding of the nature of God. In any case, these verses do NOT support the use of the word "manifestation" to describe the persons of the Godhead. Jakes asked "How can it be heresy if it is a direct quote?" The answer is that it is not a direct quote, it is a complete misunderstanding of what is being said in those passages. A misunderstanding that defies logic, grammar and, most importantly, denies the eternal nature of the Son!"
To expound on that last point. If the Son of God is only a manifestion of God, and He only became manifest "in these last times" that would mean that Jesus Christ wasn't with God in the beginning as John 1:1 says He is! See my other linked posts for just how important it is for the Son of God to be eternally begotten, and not come into existence at some point.
Now, the opposing viewpoint simply cannot be put in a nutshell. Trinitarian doctrine is about the very nature of God, as revealed in scripture. The very reason those threads are wordy is because it's a very big subject, and to quote even a small portion of the scriptures that reveal God's triune nature would be pages and pages of just direct quoting, without even explanation of how these passages reveal God's nature.
Here are some of my posts I feel best sum up the issue, each link should be a direct link to the post I'm referencing. (GrahamCracker, you can read the first one of these to get an idea of how serious I feel it is to reject God's triune nature, and why.)
Post #25 in Is Jesus the SON only or is he the Father and the Holy Spirit too? (If there aren't enough scripture references in that post for you, see this post from another thread, demonstrating from scripture that Jesus Christ is eternally begotten of the Father.)
Post #14 in "What is the Trinity" in Theology -> God This post deals with one of my favorite questions in scripture "Who do you say the Son of Man is?" I've yet to come across a modalist who is able to answer that question correctly. Because the reject that God eternally exists as three persons, they want to claim that the Son of Man is just a flesh body that the Father lived in for a time. They are unable to see that the Son of Man is actually the Son of the Living God, made human.
Post #14 in "Jesus & God-- 1 person or two?? Help! in Theology -> God. This post deals with the flaws in common analogies used to "explain" the trinity (e.g. pizza slices, water/ice/vapor, parts of an egg).
Since trinitarian doctrine is such a large subject, it's really hard to sum up every single point of an issue that spans scripture from Genesis to Revelation. If you do have any specific questions on what trinitarian doctrine is, and what scriptures show that point of doctrine to be true, I'd be glad to answer them.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 8:56:59 PM
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I took this from the AOG australia website, is this trinitarian or oneness?
"We believe in one eternal God who is the Creator of all things. He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. He is totally loving and completely holy"
The usage of the word "persons" to describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit indicates trinitarian doctrine, though it is missing the word "eternally" before "exists" as is common phrasing. However, another page on the AOG in Australia website (the one on Key Values -> Love God) says this: "He is one God, eternally existing in three persons. We may find it difficult to explain or define the trinity, but there are many things we know about God because he has chosen to reveal Himself to us in the Bible." So this group is definitely trinitarian.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 9:03:19 PM
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Thanks figment for all of that. I kind of get it all now and see the differences between the two, glad to know my church is doing the right thing too :)
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 9:59:27 PM
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I couldn't find any threads on him. I have read in several threads that Bihop TD Jakes is a false teacher. I used to watch him when I was getting ready for church but I haven't watched him for some time. It also seems like preachers who have mega churches are seen as false teachers. I say this also because the pastors of mega churches have been labed as false teachers in other threads. Anyway, why is he seen as a false teacher by some?
The size of the church should NEVER be correlated with whether or not there are "false teachings" at the church. Churches of ANY size can have either "solid teachers" or "false teachers"....
The reason our particular church has grown from 0 to 24,000 members over the past 30 years is the "solid teaching" of our pastor, as well as the solid teaching that occurs in all of the ministerial areas of the church (be it childrens ministry, adult bible fellowship classes, music & worship, etc..etc...)
Some of the smallest churches can have "false teachers", as well...we experience that at my inlaws VERY small church....we reluctantly attend there when visiting, out of "courtesy" to my inlaws...and, the "false teachings" aren't "rampant", though, it's just enough to know that if we lived there, we certainly wouldn't go there.
Kernsfamily,
I know that the size of a church should not dictate whether or not the pastor is false.. It is what I have observed on CW. When I used to live in L.A. I was a member of a mega church. I would attend that church if I lived in the L.A. area again. There are plenty of pastors of small churches in my area who are false. Sorry if you thought I was implying that big=false.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/16/2007 10:13:24 PM
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nicole6598
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I would agree Maggie, what is your church thinking of letting him in? My pastor has a policy I guess that if they teach anything other than what our statement of faith says they are not to come to our church to preach.
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RE: Bishop TD Jakes - 4/17/2007 10:03:32 AM
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He's coming to our church in the fall.  I'm really disappointed that our bishop is bringing him in, since he acknowledges that he's very much "off" on somethings. But we've got a building fund that needs filling and I guess we need more "seed sowing" preaching from a big-namer. 
I understand where you are coming from. For 6 years, my pastor along with a pastor from another big church has invited Bishop Jakes to my church to do a 3 day joint revival. Now at 1st when I was very young in my Christian walk, I wanted to give this guy a chance. Before I thought he was a money hungry crook. Went to the revival, it was ok, but nothing life changing. Even went to the Potter's House once while vacationing in Dallas, same thing. Though I still have a long way to go, during this time I learned discernment. The gospel that Bishop Jakes preach is different from the gospel my church suppose to stand by. My pastor is an expository preacher, who preaches and teaches the word within the parameters of what is written in God's word. To align himself (He considers Bishop Jakes as one of his mentors) and our church with Bishop Jakes is totally opposite of what our church teaches. Since we are considered to be a mega church and we are moving in this huge brand new facility, there is this fear I have that our church is going to change. A change that can may turn our church into one of these huge money machines that preaches about "All About me" blessings and worldly prosperity instead of how to live holy, sharing the gospel, developing disciples of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and helping those in need.
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