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Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/3/2008 8:09:53 PM
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tracydolls
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Bringing this question over.
Are children considered part of a Christians "fruit"?
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/3/2008 8:27:41 PM
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Your question is too ambiguous to answer.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/4/2008 7:51:53 AM
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Psa 127:3 Behold, children are a gift of the LORD, The fruit of the womb is a reward.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/4/2008 8:47:36 AM
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Verse from what the Bible says about children?
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/5/2008 10:21:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
Bringing this question over.
Are children considered part of a Christians "fruit"?
Only if they are believers and stats show that 25% walk away from the faith.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/5/2008 10:48:30 AM
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Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful and multiply.
Sadly, this is the only commandment we obeyed.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/6/2008 1:05:10 AM
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Ok, let me give some examples.
this is a true story.
My oldest sister has one child-a daughter.
My sister is saved. Has been attending Church for over 25 years now, etc.
My niece one day got up, moved out.
She then became a hardcore lesbian. And transformed herself to look like a man. I barely recognize her now.
Everyone in my family has been like what did my sister do to her?
So that is partly why I asked this question.
I understand NOONE can control their kids 24 hrs.
But my niece went from a very sweet child that was going on missions to Africa to a lesbian overnight.
Sadly the first woman she lived with also was a childhood friend from this same Church.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/6/2008 12:48:25 PM
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Okay, that makes a bit more sense. So you're asking whether we can judge a Christian's faith by how their children act.
To a point, I say yes. One of the requirements of an elder is that his family isn't out of control. But I think everyone is responsible for their own sins, so we shouldn't condemn a parent for their adult child's sins.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/6/2008 1:00:25 PM
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I was having a hard time following the OP as well. The explanation helps. However, I think we have to be very careful about rendering judgment on parents of rebelious children, whether adults or teens. Some of the worst young adults I've ever met, with regard to behavior, were the kids of preachers. At the same time, some of the best examples of godly living are also preachers kids.
The ones I knew that were rebels seemed to live in homes where there were rules, but communication within the home was minimal. I heard a saying once, "Rules without relationship equals rebellion." This is what I saw in the homes of the rebellious folks. There were rules in place, but there was no relationship to build trust; no honor for parents as parents were seen as nothing more than tyrants imposing their will. And then the PK's that came from homes where love and nurture was the rule rather than the exception there seemed to be less rebellion.
At the same time, there is no hard and fast rule on either. Having worked in corrections for all these years I have seen young adults coming from the greatest homes make poor decisions that will cost them for the rest of their adult life. And, I have seen young adults leave the cesspools in which they were raised to become the most loveable folks around. We cannot assign blame on parents for the decisions their offspring make. The best a parent can do is love, lead, guide and instruct.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/9/2008 1:36:23 PM
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I don't think you can make a generalized statement.
A child from a two-parent family could rebel just as easily. In fact, 25% of American "born-again" children leave the faith of their parents.
My own sister kept her daughter, but sadly later married the guy and was then committed to an abusive relationship. It would have been better if she had gotten out of the relationship before marriage. My beautiful niece is now a wonderful girl who loves the Lord. Still, I cannot make a blanket statement that one choice will always lead to good while another will always end sadly. There are too many variables.
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RE: Are children part of a Christians "fruit" - 9/9/2008 1:45:32 PM
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Everyone in my family has been like what did my sister do to her?
Wow!! I'd be more likely to ask, "What did her father do to her?"
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Sadly the first woman she lived with also was a childhood friend from this same Church.
Or, perhaps, "What did some man in this church do to them?"
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