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Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 4:16:44 PM
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jbow
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I am watching the news of terrorism in India right now. 80 dead hundreds wounded... (the death toll went up to 90 as I typed this), they are targeting westerners. Most of these people do not care about their life, they think they will be rewarded for killing 'infidels'... but they do care about their parents, their children, and their siblings. Sometimes a homicide bomber's family will get a check. I think Hussein was doing that with palestinians... but we don't have to worry about him or his thug kids anymore.
So... would I be a bad person if I suggested that whenever a terrorist is killed or caught and identified that their whole family be killed? That may sound cold but it would save lives. If a person were considering making a terrorist attack and they knew that by their actions they would be sentencing their whole family to death... they might reconsider. I think terrorism would become a thing of the past.
I realize that sounds harsh and it is harsh but this world is not fair and sometimes the innocent suffer.
What would Darius do? What would Andy Jackson do?
We have become soft and that is why terrorism is the problem that it is.
This is just my opinion and it may change tomorrow, feel free to disagree... and don't worry, i'm not likely to become king anytime soon.... but buddy, if I did...
J
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 5:56:08 PM
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I think the russians did this once.
I am not sure this should be our message to the world. Teddy said it best..walk softly but carry a big stick.
Build our military back up. Mess with us? Get stomped.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 6:10:57 PM
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Sounds like an eye for an eye....
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 7:26:51 PM
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Building up the military without the will to use it is a waste of resources.
Besides, this problem won't go away before the Messiah returns. As we were told long ago, the Ishmaelites hand will be against everyone until the end.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 8:16:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: jbow
I am watching the news of terrorism in India right now. 80 dead hundreds wounded... (the death toll went up to 90 as I typed this), they are targeting westerners. Most of these people do not care about their life, they think they will be rewarded for killing 'infidels'... but they do care about their parents, their children, and their siblings. Sometimes a homicide bomber's family will get a check. I think Hussein was doing that with palestinians... but we don't have to worry about him or his thug kids anymore.
So... would I be a bad person if I suggested that whenever a terrorist is killed or caught and identified that their whole family be killed? That may sound cold but it would save lives. If a person were considering making a terrorist attack and they knew that by their actions they would be sentencing their whole family to death... they might reconsider. I think terrorism would become a thing of the past.
I realize that sounds harsh and it is harsh but this world is not fair and sometimes the innocent suffer.
What would Darius do? What would Andy Jackson do?
We have become soft and that is why terrorism is the problem that it is.
This is just my opinion and it may change tomorrow, feel free to disagree... and don't worry, i'm not likely to become king anytime soon.... but buddy, if I did...
J
More than likely, it will have the opposite effect. It will enrage people who were previously ambivalent towards us, providing our enemies with a powerful recruiting tool. It will also cause many of our allies to distance themselves from us and make it more difficult for us to gain new allies. We'll also lose any sort of moral high-ground in our ability to convince others to join our fight.
So maybe we'll get our jollies, but we'll be hurting ourselves in the long run.
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Build our military back up. Mess with us? Get stomped.
Our military has the firepower. The problem is that we don't know who needs stomping; and when we do know who, we have trouble finding them and fighting them. What we need is a better intelligence service and better diplomacy.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 9:45:15 PM
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I know terrorism is a very great sin. It is also true that God is, in His sovereign will, having these things happen. It isn't His moral will, of course, which is to love the brethren and believe on Christ, but it is His purposed sovereign will. The Lord must be pretty angry.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 9:49:00 PM
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We can, as Christian civilians, pursue however we can under the Lord's leading, to help people not to radicalize or to 'de-radicalize'. We are the only ones who can do it. The secular world has no power or answers or ability to do this. They dwell in darkness - as do the terrorists. We can help people 'de-radicalize' by putting out verses on the web where terrorists might find them dealing with God, His Person and work, salvation, the nature of the kingdom of heaven, God's law and facing Him in judgment, how resistance is to the devil, and the laws of the kingdom of heaven - i.e. - the Sermon on the Mount, etc.. God promises to honor His word and that it will accomplish exactly what He intends for it to accomplish. We should also pray about it, but I find myself praying more and more that the Lord would return and that means that things are just going to get worse and worse - which is what is happening....Even so...maranatha.
God bless abundantly,
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:03:40 PM
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We can, as Christian civilians, pursue however we can under the Lord's leading, to help people not to radicalize or to 'de-radicalize'. We are the only ones who can do it. The secular world has no power or answers or ability to do this. They dwell in darkness - as do the terrorists. We can help people 'de-radicalize' by putting out verses on the web where terrorists might find them dealing with God, His Person and work, salvation, the nature of the kingdom of heaven, God's law and facing Him in judgment, how resistance is to the devil, and the laws of the kingdom of heaven - i.e. - the Sermon on the Mount, etc.. God promises to honor His word and that it will accomplish exactly what He intends for it to accomplish. We should also pray about it, but I find myself praying more and more that the Lord would return and that means that things are just going to get worse and worse - which is what is happening....Even so...maranatha.
God bless abundantly,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:15:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: jbow
I am watching the news of terrorism in India right now. 80 dead hundreds wounded... (the death toll went up to 90 as I typed this), they are targeting westerners. Most of these people do not care about their life, they think they will be rewarded for killing 'infidels'... but they do care about their parents, their children, and their siblings. Sometimes a homicide bomber's family will get a check. I think Hussein was doing that with palestinians... but we don't have to worry about him or his thug kids anymore.
So... would I be a bad person if I suggested that whenever a terrorist is killed or caught and identified that their whole family be killed? That may sound cold but it would save lives. If a person were considering making a terrorist attack and they knew that by their actions they would be sentencing their whole family to death... they might reconsider. I think terrorism would become a thing of the past.
I realize that sounds harsh and it is harsh but this world is not fair and sometimes the innocent suffer.
What would Darius do? What would Andy Jackson do?
We have become soft and that is why terrorism is the problem that it is.
This is just my opinion and it may change tomorrow, feel free to disagree... and don't worry, i'm not likely to become king anytime soon.... but buddy, if I did...
J
It's the way these terrorists already operate. Killing their families only hardens their resolve.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:18:54 PM
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Thanks, Dan (iluvatar), for the post. They would be persuaded because it is the vehicle God promises to use to save souls. NO ONE is persuaded in and of themselves. It is God who saves people and the means through which He has chosen to birth people by into the kingdom of God is the Bible. A terrorist is just as dead to God in their trespasses and sin as any of our secular press, government, unbelieving fellow Americans, academia. These have no more ability to be persuaded by God's word than do the terrorists. It is God through His word who saves and keeps people.
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:24:35 PM
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...jbow...I have a hard time envisioning Christ going around killing terrorists' families. Isn't He like suppose to be our example? I don't really have a problem with envisioning Him decimating the entire planet, though, or shaking the 'heavens and the earth'. 
God bless,
Galadriel
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:29:23 PM
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They need to figure out exactly who did it and wage a poorly planned war against some nation that had nothing to do with it.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:32:03 PM
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Definitely made me laugh out loud, rlj (Roger).
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 10:49:50 PM
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jbow
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...jbow...I have a hard time envisioning Christ going around killing terrorists' families. Isn't He like suppose to be our example? I don't really have a problem with envisioning Him decimating the entire planet, though, or shaking the 'heavens and the earth'.
God bless,
Galadriel
Well, I wasn't talking about the Church or anyone personally doing something like that BUT... governments have military force and I believe that the word says that they do not bear to sword in vain... that's in the NT. Romans 13:4
Governments work by a different standard from regular people and it is their duty to keep life as safe as possible for peaceful people. I realize what I said is extreme and I wouldn't support it however, if I were a world leader I would realixe that something different has to be done to fight an enemy with no standing army, no uniformed rank, no nation that they represent but they attack nations that do have conventional armies... this is something that we, as a civilized world, have not come to terms with, that is how to fight it.
As for Christ... really?? I think that He will come back one day as the Lion of the tribe of Judah and He will kill a lot of people. I'm not saying that we should help Him out... it is not our call but it is the government's calling when necessary.
I don't know the answer but talking is not going to help, concessions are not going to help, what do you think is going to help? Remember, I am not talking about a Chrsitian response or a Church response. We, as the Church or as Christians, are not charged with fighting "flesh and blood". We should pray but the governments must come up with something to fight 'flesh and blood".
J
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 11:28:53 PM
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I am watching the news of terrorism in India right now. 80 dead hundreds wounded... (the death toll went up to 90 as I typed this), they are targeting westerners. Most of these people do not care about their life, they think they will be rewarded for killing 'infidels'... but they do care about their parents, their children, and their siblings. Sometimes a homicide bomber's family will get a check. I think Hussein was doing that with palestinians... but we don't have to worry about him or his thug kids anymore.
So... would I be a bad person if I suggested that whenever a terrorist is killed or caught and identified that their whole family be killed? That may sound cold but it would save lives. If a person were considering making a terrorist attack and they knew that by their actions they would be sentencing their whole family to death... they might reconsider. I think terrorism would become a thing of the past.
I realize that sounds harsh and it is harsh but this world is not fair and sometimes the innocent suffer.
What would Darius do? What would Andy Jackson do?
We have become soft and that is why terrorism is the problem that it is.
This is just my opinion and it may change tomorrow, feel free to disagree... and don't worry, i'm not likely to become king anytime soon.... but buddy, if I did...
J
Wow, what a great idea. Maybe we could video our special forces guys cutting of the heads of little children and broadcast it on the Internet for the entire Islamic world to see. That would definitely put an end to Islamic terrorism.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/26/2008 11:49:23 PM
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It's the way these terrorists already operate. Killing their families only hardens their resolve.
Gaah, I really wanted to make a facetious joke about the absurdity of killing innocent people to stop terrorism, but I am afraid I will get sent to Guantanamo if I actually post it.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 4:38:50 AM
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I know, jbow, it is a really difficult issue.
As far as Christ killing a bunch of people - I know He will when He returns. That is what I meant by saying that I could envision Him decimating the whole earth. I meant that that would include most of the people who dwell on the earth too. I think it would work for a while - killing the families of terrorists. It would intimidate people for a while. But it would also wreak havoc on the psyches of billions of people and in the end we would end up with a far worse situation. The answer is the saving love of Jesus, brother. It's the most powerful force in the world. Don't you know that? 'Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us...strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith...being rooted and grounded in love.' (Eph. ch. 3)
Before we go wildly throwing bombs and bullets at terrorists' families (even our own military who 'bear the sword'...'not in vain') maybe we should take an honest look at ourselves. Do you realize that most of America in God's eyes is much worse of a sinner (is that worded correctly) than the terrorists? That is because the worst sinner in the eyes of God is the person who sees no need for Jesus Christ. They understand (on an intellectual level) the Gospel and in their complete arrogance and contempt of Jesus Christ make a judgment that they don't need Christ; that Christ isn't worth the time of day. Those are the most wicked people in God's sight and that is what most of America is - especially our governing elite - the press, academia, and government employees - but it is really everyone for the most part. See if we want to start going around killing the relatives of the most wicked people on earth America is probably the place to start - that and Europe. Jbow, I have a group of people right now, who under totally false conditions, because I attempted to share Christ with people and in a way that they didn't like, are trying to get me locked up somewhere - psyche ward, prison, doesn't matter to them. That is America, jbow. This is what America is right now. We live in the richest country in the history of the world, singularly and overtly blessed by God in Christ because of the devotion of our Founders to Him and this is what America does now....Make no mistake about it. You want to start killing the relatives of the most evil people on earth? You need look no farther than your own backyard.
God bless you abundantly,
Galadriel
We aren't a theocracy. The Church is a theocracy, but secular governments aren't. It is probably best not to use tactics of theocratic Israel of the OT - but the whole terrorist issue is frustrating and scary to those closely involved. This is what people degrade to when they have such a corrupt religion for their religion.
Also, the people who are trying to get me locked up - it is murderous. The spirit behind what they do to me is murderous. They have also wreaked havoc and destruction in my kids' lives through their attacks on me - but they could care less. Of course, they could care less about murdering their own children via abortion. See, the only thing that matters is destroying Jesus Christ and they will lie to themselves and everyone else about it until either they die or Christ returns. They're too cowardly to actually murder me, as a terrorist would, but they are nevertheless murderers - just cowards in addition to that. Not even as righteous as a suicide bomber. This is what America is now (with the exception of all the terrific people who are in Christ. There are some believers who are cooperating with the people who are acting in my life. Check it out - I think one of them is the Word of Life director for our region of the country. Can you believe the sin involved in that and the hypocrisy? Isn't it repulsive?)
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 7:47:53 AM
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See, government primarily just has a prohibitive or negative role to play in the world. They primarily punish bad people. Only believers as individuals and the church as a whole can bring anything positive into any situtaion. We are the only ones who can bring truth, knowledge as to what is really going on, wisdom, hope, holiness and light, power to defeat the principle of evil in the world which is ravaging people's lives, love, etc.. We are the only ones who possess these things because we are the only ones who possess Christ and He is the only one who is good (by God's standard) and possesses these things exhaustively. Only as we act in faith towards the terrorist problem and so Christ lives through us is any headway going to be made. Our governing elite in America - they dwell in darkness because they have rejected the light.
God bless abundantly,
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 10:33:00 AM
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Joke, right jbow?
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 10:34:29 AM
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They need to figure out exactly who did it and wage a poorly planned war against some nation that had nothing to do with it.
That's even funnier than what jbow said!
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 1:28:04 PM
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jbow
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I know, jbow, it is a really difficult issue.
Thanks, you know I was just mad. I was just venting... I am glad that these things are "above my paygrade".
President Lincoln did something like this in the war between the states and all it accomplished was dead civilians. I know... I just get so angry at people who are more beast than human and I want to hit back...
Still, like you said.. it is a difficult issue and it is a war. They will continue to kill our civilians and something has to be done but they don't have a nation to defend or an army to fight against.
How does a civilized people fight with honor fight against an uncivilized people who have no honor? I think at some point we will have to either concede or be pragmatic. I am glad it is not my decision and I am more than glad that I am assured that my God has the present and the future in His hands and that He works all things for the good for me and thee.
I apologize if my post offended anyone... as I said, I was venting and I have no power to enact any policy. For some reason the president has never called me for advice...
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The answer is the saving love of Jesus, brother.
I know that... I was just mad.
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I have a group of people right now, who under totally false conditions, because I attempted to share Christ with people and in a way that they didn't like, are trying to get me locked up somewhere - psyche ward, prison, doesn't matter to them. You PM me if you need any help. If I can be of any assistance I will. Have you contacted the ACLJ? You should.
Julien
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 2:06:59 PM
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The answer to terrorism is what we are doing.
Protect ourselves as best we can thorugh tightening security.
Keep a strong military with a mind that it is necessary to use it.
React in a measured but swift manner that leaves no doubt, we are not to be trifled with.
Stand by our agreements. While we will always take the higher ground, there is a time to talk and a time to act. Killing 3000 of our innocent civilains was a declaration of war. If we react to that attack by more talk?
We will be attacked again.
We can't make evil disappear. We can only fight it.
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RE: Answer to terrorism.... - 11/27/2008 3:49:48 PM
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The answer to terrorism?
-Rally the nation's resolve with inspiring rhetoric
-Build a coalition of like-minded countries twilling to take the fight to the terrorists instead of waiting for them to strike again.
-Endure childish, immature and dishonest accusations from your political enemies who are trying to subvert your efforts and divide the country, with the full participation of the media. But don't endure them silently. Answer their accusations back forcefully and call them on their dishonesty (if only!)
-Turn the fight over to a strong leader who will continue the fight (again, if only!)
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