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According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:23:43 AM
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stamper_ben
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It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution!
The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties! It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf!
That line with Joe the plumber wasn't mis-speak. He's wanted redistribution since he formed his political outlook! Listen carefully, be very wary.
There's more. So much more. This wasn't spoken by him in his youth! This is from just EIGHT YEARS AGO! This is what the man thinks!
And he wants to lead the country!
And what's worse? There are many who want him to lead this country...
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:33:24 AM
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Any government spending program redistributes wealth.
-Dan.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:34:26 AM
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I heard the audio last night and there is no longer any doubt what his philosophy is. He is a full on marxist.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:36:13 AM
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Any government spending program redistributes wealth.
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Did you hear what he said Dan? Listen to the interview?
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:41:44 AM
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Folks really ought to wake up and smeel the socialism if not communism that Obama is cooking up.
The Part he said about the Constitution not getting it right, and the possibillity of him appointing 2 or 3 like minded actividtist Supreme Court Justices just really gives me a diaper rash.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:43:14 AM
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Folks really ought to wake up and smeel the socialism if not communism that Obama is cooking.
The Part he said about the Constitution not getting it right, and the possibillity of him appointing 2 or 3 like minded actividtist Supreme Court Justices just really gives me a diaper rash.
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Like I've said all through this campaign RC, it is the Supreme Court that is THE issue!
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:47:25 AM
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 8:53:40 AM
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When are you people going to wake up and realize the sad and pathetic truth. Most people in this country WANT Socialism and Marxism. The govt has succeeded in fostering its class warfare menatlity and most Americans have bought it.
Our society is full of "What are you going to do for, or give ME" types. My goodness, that mentality is just as prevelant in the church. Just put on TBN!
If the economy was doing well right now, McCain would be 20 pts ahead! Instead we have a bad economy and a electorate that wants to "stick it" to the guy just above them. What they forget, is that with class warfare, there is someone below that also wants the govt to "stick it" to them.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:04:19 AM
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Seems to be....
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:14:15 AM
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Any government spending program redistributes wealth.
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Did you hear what he said Dan? Listen to the interview?
Yeah, I did. And I also read the text in the video. The commentary in the video didn't match what he was saying. Yes, he does want to redistribute wealth; I think we've known that for a while.
The rest of the running commentary in the video is essentially a distortion of what he was saying. He didn't say it was a tragedy that the court didn't redistribute wealth; he said it was a tragedy that the civil rights movement got caught up in legal battles and took its eyes off of the community organizations that can make a real difference (the same opinion I've held for some time regarding the tactics of religious conservatives). He said that if these policies are going to be enacted, it's best they be done through the legislature, not the courts, because the courts are reluctant to do it, don't have the authority to do it, and make a messy job of it (all of which is correct). Within the context of what he was saying, redistributing wealth is an administrative task.
Before you ask, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I still don't know what the extent of his plans are, but although I'll be voting for him, I am inclined to believe that his visions for this have an unrealistic pie-in-the-sky quality.
That said, I think we'll probably wind up with some form of wealth redistribution either way. Given that, I'd rather have somebody in office who's going to plan ahead to do a good job of it rather than either throwing out some token funds to pander to a special interest group or hemming and hawing about it for several years until we're in a crisis and throw something together at the last minute. I'm not necessarily voting for Obama's policies and against McCain's. I'm voting for Obama's style of governance and against McCain's.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:24:38 AM
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The Part he said about the Constitution not getting it right
I just listened to the whole thing again, just to make sure, and I didn't hear that once in this interview. Where did he say that?
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:31:17 AM
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That said, I think we'll probably wind up with some form of wealth redistribution either way. Given that, I'd rather have somebody in office who's going to plan ahead to do a good job of it rather than either throwing out some token funds to pander to a special interest group or hemming and hawing about it for several years until we're in a crisis and throw something together at the last minute.
Just to be sure, are you saying then that you think wealth redistribution is the answer to our economic issues?
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:34:53 AM
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The Part he said about the Constitution not getting it right
I just listened to the whole thing again, just to make sure, and I didn't hear that once in this interview. Where did he say that?
-Dan.
I'd like to oblige, but now the video is taken down.
Maybe they're now gonna show it on the Obama channel on sat TV? 
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:37:31 AM
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Before you ask, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I still don't know what the extent of his plans are, but although I'll be voting for him, I am inclined to believe that his visions for this have an unrealistic pie-in-the-sky quality. I won't ask how you feel about it, as I see there may be some consternation on your part, but I will point out that with a super-majority in both Houses of Congress (that is very likely) it ain't so pie-in-the-sky anymore.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:38:19 AM
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That said, I think we'll probably wind up with some form of wealth redistribution either way. Given that, I'd rather have somebody in office who's going to plan ahead to do a good job of it rather than either throwing out some token funds to pander to a special interest group or hemming and hawing about it for several years until we're in a crisis and throw something together at the last minute.
Just to be sure, are you saying then that you think wealth redistribution is the answer to our economic issues?
No, not necessarily. I don't know how you got that out of what I said either. I don't know what the answer is. I do think more effective regulation and oversight could have prevented it.
What I'm saying is that under either candidate, I think wealth redistribution is going to occur/increase. It may increase to different levels and be directed differently, but it will likely increase. Working under that assumption, I'd rather have somebody in charge who's going to administer these programs properly, directing them towards issues that are important and that (hopefully) would make a difference. It's going to happen either way; I'd prefer it be done right.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:44:10 AM
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Any government spending program redistributes wealth.
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Mike Huckabee has it right; It's not wealth re-distribution, it's income re-distribution.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 9:48:34 AM
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The Part he said about the Constitution not getting it right
I just listened to the whole thing again, just to make sure, and I didn't hear that once in this interview. Where did he say that?
-Dan.
I'd like to oblige, but now the video is taken down.
Maybe they're now gonna show it on the Obama channel on sat TV?
I can still see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
-Dan.
He didn't say that the Constitution got it wrong. He said that the Court didn't get it right!
THAT'S what's scary about an Obama presidency to me! Unless he can stack the Court to make re-distribution a Constitutional matter, this "wealth re-distribution" can be undone in relatively short order after a socialistic type presidency. The rulings of the Supreme Court can take DECADES or more to be overturned.
I'm worried more about this than anything.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 10:04:35 AM
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He didn't say that the Constitution got it wrong. He said that the Court didn't get it right!
Where did he say that? He said the civil rights movement didn't get it right. He's correct in also saying that the court system isn't set up to do this and that it's a job for the legislature.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 10:06:48 AM
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He didn't say that the Constitution got it wrong. He said that the Court didn't get it right!
Where did he say that? He said the civil rights movement didn't get it right. He's correct in also saying that the court system isn't set up to do this and that it's a job for the legislature.
-Dan.
And when the laws the legislature passes come under Court review to see if they pass muster?
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 10:45:05 AM
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That said, I think we'll probably wind up with some form of wealth redistribution either way. Given that, I'd rather have somebody in office who's going to plan ahead to do a good job of it rather than either throwing out some token funds to pander to a special interest group or hemming and hawing about it for several years until we're in a crisis and throw something together at the last minute.
Just to be sure, are you saying then that you think wealth redistribution is the answer to our economic issues?
No, not necessarily. I don't know how you got that out of what I said either. I don't know what the answer is. I do think more effective regulation and oversight could have prevented it.
I got it out of what you said because you stated that you don't want to wait until a crisis to have it implemented. That leads me to believe you think wealth redistribution is going to solve financial problems. It's just the way you said it.
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What I'm saying is that under either candidate, I think wealth redistribution is going to occur/increase. It may increase to different levels and be directed differently, but it will likely increase. Working under that assumption, I'd rather have somebody in charge who's going to administer these programs properly, directing them towards issues that are important and that (hopefully) would make a difference. It's going to happen either way; I'd prefer it be done right.
I don't understand how this desire could lead you to want Obama in office.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 10:54:40 AM
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I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning and he brought up an excellent point when it comes to the recent release of this new Obama audio.
After all of the democrats who were losing their minds over the patriot act, which was essentially established because the government said "we needed it" and they needed to do it "to protect us", how is it that I don't see these same people railing against Obama with what he said? Did he not say he wants to basically amend the Constitution to establish what the government's responsibility to the people is?
And he doesn't want to just establish new laws, but to include it in the Constitution!
Doesn't this frighten those who are so against and afraid of the patriot act?
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 10:59:17 AM
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It ought to frighten every freedom loving American regardless of their views on the Patriot Act.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 11:03:33 AM
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It ought to frighten every freedom loving American regardless of their views on the Patriot Act.
Exactly.
But it's funny to me the number of people who are not talking about this, and who they are and what political party they associate themselves with. It really shows the media bias that this has not been heard earlier. After all, it is an old audio clip.
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RE: According to Barack, the Court missed its chance - 10/27/2008 11:04:01 AM
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The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties! It doesn't say what the government must do on your behalf!
Heard the audio on Glenn Beck's program. I may not be the Constitutional lawyer expert Obama is presenting himself to be, but the Constitution primary concerns individual liberties, does it not?
By the way, what exactly is a "negative" liberty? Perhaps it's a concept as mysterious as being a "community organizer".
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