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2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 1:58:41 AM
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scrappy11
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My 28 month-old dd has found a new hobby during naptime -- taking off her diaper! Now, this in and of itself would not bother me, however she usually wets and/or has a bm in her bed. Yesterday I went in once and changed a wet sheet, then later went in and had to change a messed sheet! She was awake during all of this. After having told her on numerous occasions not to take her diaper off (I have no doubt she understands me), I finally decided to spank her, but it didn't stop her from doing it again at that very same naptime. She did it at bedtime last night and my dh spanked her -- harder than me, and it really upset her. However, today, at naptime, she was at it again. When I came in and discovered her with her diaper off, she got scared, like she knew she was in trouble, and I gave her a spanking, again. Didn't help. A little while later, she started to do it again. I walked in the room and told her to let me see her diaper (she had a blanket on), and she hurriedly tried to fasten it (it was halfway on), all the while saying "diaper on! diaper on!" in a very panicked voice. Finally I tried putting her in training pants with a vinyl outer layer. She went to sleep, but unfortunately woke up early from her nap because her panties had leaked!
Any suggestions? I am making some attempts at potty training, but I don't know if we'll be successful. She does tell us on average once a day (maybe less) when she needs to go potty (or the other  ) and we take her to the potty, so I know she has some idea of what's going on with her body.
TIA!
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 2:18:10 AM
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What's she wearing for jammies at nap time? Mine was doing this too and elastic waist sweatpants were good enough to deter him. If she knows how to pull her jammie pants down, maybe get her some footy pajamas, or 2t-3t onsies that snap at the crotch.
Duct tape works good if she can't pull her diaper down. You just tape on the front from tab to tab, not all the way around. Be sure the tape is no longer than 7 inches as strings and such over 7 inches are a strangulation hazard if she did get it off.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 9:26:10 AM
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Finally I tried putting her in training pants with a vinyl outer layer. She went to sleep, but unfortunately woke up early from her nap because her panties had leaked!
TIA!
Waking up early might be a good thing. Does that mean she does not like being in wet training pants? If so, it could be time to go ahead and day-time train her in earnest. No more diapers during the day. Clear your schedule of all unnecessary trips and errands where she would be more than two minutes away from a toilet and stay with intensive training for at least a week.
By then you will know if she is physically capable of control or not. If she is, then woo-hoo!
If she isn't, there is always the duct tape.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 9:33:21 AM
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Take her out of the diapers. Put her into panties and potty train her. Obviously she hates the diaper. At 28 months she is old enough. If she's still in a crib, put her in a bed so that she can get up when she needs to go potty.
< Message edited by laura... -- 10/29/2008 10:05:24 AM >
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 10:03:01 AM
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I agree with the last two posters (I had a response prepared but my browser crashed and it went!)
It seems to me that your daughter may be trying to tell you she is ready, and she should not be being spanked for trying to tell you. It could frighten and confuse her, give her issues about her bodily functions, and, as well as damaging her, it could damage your chances of potty training her.
28 months is definitely old enough to be potty trained.
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Clear your schedule of all unnecessary trips and errands where she would be more than two minutes away from a toilet and stay with intensive training for at least a week.
Absolutely!
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 11:06:50 AM
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Yeah, it's really not a good long-term plan to teach her:
"Diaper on = safe ... Diaper off = trouble"
Rather, perhaps simply take off her diaper at nap time and place a small potty in the room with her. If she wets or messes her sheets, tell her simply but firmly, "No. Pee-pee (poop) not on bed. Wet. Yucky." Then say happily "Pee-pee in potty. Yay! Candy!" ... "Where does pee-pee go?" ... "Yay! Potty! Potty for pee-pee!" ... "Pee-pee in on bed? No-ooo. Wet. Yucky." ... "Pee-pee in bed?" (No) "Where pee-pee" (Potty) "Yay! Candy!"
This might be a good time for actual potty training. (Christmas is still 2 months away, which will give you enough time to get a good system before major stress hits.) If so, you might consider absorbent pants & vinyl covers for all your diapering needs during training. The more she hates the wet-yucky feel on her bodily functions, the sooner she will learn to put those things where they belong.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 11:21:02 AM
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We're having the same problem with our daughter. She's 20 months old. She can get herself out of pretty much ANY clothing. Right now I'm safety pinning her into her jammies so she can't get them off, but I'm sure she will figure it out. So you might try safety pins...
To the people saying that that's an indicator of wanting to potty train, for my daughter: Should I be potty training her too then? I'm mostly just worried that she's a little young to discuss the concept (we have a potty training chair that she likes to sit on and "pretend" but I don't think she really knows what's going on in the bathroom. Also we have to drive 90 minutes each way on weekends so I'm not sure if that will make potty training difficult to impossible.) I just don't want it to be a horrible experience for her by trying to early or due to the driving thing.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 11:51:57 AM
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To the people saying that that's an indicator of wanting to potty train, for my daughter: Should I be potty training her too then? I'm mostly just worried that she's a little young to discuss the concept (we have a potty training chair that she likes to sit on and "pretend" but I don't think she really knows what's going on in the bathroom. Also we have to drive 90 minutes each way on weekends so I'm not sure if that will make potty training difficult to impossible.) I just don't want it to be a horrible experience for her by trying to early or due to the driving thing.
I started my son at 18 months old - just sitting him on the potty after breakfast (while I washed his face and cleaned his teeth), whenever I went, also sitting him on it for half an hour in the morning after breakfast and after lunch while he watched a DVD, before and after a bath, just before bedtime while I cleaned his teeth. I made it a natural thing, didn't tell him he had to try and do anything. When eventually the inevitable happened, he was so shocked, but I told him what it was called and said it was a good thing to do it on the potty. His bowels were very regular and 9 times out of 10 he'd poo in the morning after breakfast, so it was quite easy to catch that. I'd sit him on the potty with a book or a toy and just encourage him to stay sitting there for a while.
He was clean by 20 months, and clean and dry by 22 months.
My dd wasn't as keen to sit on the potty as her brother had been, so I left it till she was 2, but then did the same thing, putting her on it often - and she was clean and dry within 2 weeks.
The only upset we ever had was once with my ds, when he asked to go on the potty and nothing came out. He had clearly got used to us being pleased when he went. He was upset, but we reassured him that that was fine, that he didn't have to do anything and that he could try again later.
With the odd accident, we were never cross, just said "oh well, never mind, do it in the potty next time".
Your 90 minute drive might interrupt your training, but you could always put her in a nappy (diaper) or training pants, plus sit her on an old towel (and take spare undies etc with you for her).
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 12:16:18 PM
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I have four boys who didn't potty train until they were closer to 3yo. At 2yo, they went through the taking the diaper off thing, too. Because they weren't ready, my whole goal was to keep the diaper on.
*put the diaper on backwards, with the tapes in the back.
*use onesies. If that doesn't help, put them on backwards with the flap half way up the back
*biboveralls. Kids can't get out of 'em.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 5:07:48 PM
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scrappy11
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Thank you for all the advice! You were all so helpful.
We had laughingly considered duct tape; now I'm glad to see we weren't the first to come up with that idea!
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/29/2008 7:40:42 PM
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Our daughter did the diaper off and fling across the room routine! (It wasn't always clean and dry when she did it either!)
We put her in onesies jammies, backwards. She couldn't get them unzipped, so that ended the diaper across the room routine.
She was definitely NOT ready for potty training at that stage, either!
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/31/2008 9:26:19 AM
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Yeah, it's really not a good long-term plan to teach her:
"Diaper on = safe ... Diaper off = trouble"
Rather, perhaps simply take off her diaper at nap time and place a small potty in the room with her. If she wets or messes her sheets, tell her simply but firmly, "No. Pee-pee (poop) not on bed. Wet. Yucky." Then say happily "Pee-pee in potty. Yay! Candy!" ... "Where does pee-pee go?" ... "Yay! Potty! Potty for pee-pee!" ... "Pee-pee in on bed? No-ooo. Wet. Yucky." ... "Pee-pee in bed?" (No) "Where pee-pee" (Potty) "Yay! Candy!"
I'm sorry--was it rude to laugh at this?
I got a mental image of pbaribeault potty training an Apache or Cherokee child because it sounded so much like a dialog with Tonto, à la The Lone Ranger, an old black and white Western! 
You might as well multi-task and train her in Standard English structure, usage, and appropriate vocabulary at the same time.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/31/2008 10:16:41 AM
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"Meh" <shrug>
I'm much more concerned with communicating with getting through to 2-year-olds than worrying about the variations of standard English. I find simplification effective. (But I supppoes it's not that much more complicated to use 'doesn't' etc. in the correct placement, as long as the sentences don't get too long and/or comprehension is not compromised.)
But, yes, it is funny. It's much (MUCH!) funnier in real life with the exaggerated tone, facial expressions, wild gestures and pantomime celebrations at appropriate places.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 10/31/2008 11:27:28 AM
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Just for the record, I potty trained both my two without candy or any reward.
I just made it matter-of-fact that what's we do, it's where those things go.
I'm not at all saying that it's wrong to use rewards, just that it isn't necessarily necessary, that it is possible to do so without.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 1:22:04 AM
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Just thought I would give you all an update -- some feedback, as to how the suggestions worked out:
* Put the potty chair in her room and a chair by her crib with the side down so she could get out when she needed to; she did go potty, but then she got up whenever she felt like it, too!
* Blanket sleeper zipped up in the back -- she squirmed out of the top somehow - she must be an ancestor of Houdini! I tried safety-pinning above the zipper, and she proceeded to pull the pin apart and get herself poked!
* Onesie snapped in the back -- squirmed out of the top of it
* Duct tape on the diaper -- apparently there was a loose flap somewhere (in the back), because she peeled it off
We're now using clear packing tape. Somehow this seems to stick down better and she can't get hold of a loose end!
Turns out this is a bad time for potty training in full force as she developed a UTI and a cold -- on the same day! So that will have to wait awhile . . .
Thanks again for all your suggestions!
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 3:15:08 AM
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* Put the potty chair in her room and a chair by her crib with the side down so she could get out when she needed to; she did go potty, but then she got up whenever she felt like it, too!
Just wondered why that is a problem? Is her room not safe for her if she gets up?
Btw, I personally wouldn't have considered a UTI or a cold to have been a barrier to gentle potty training.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 9:01:12 AM
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That's what I was thinking, Manda...
All you can do is make the bed (still a crib?) the most attractive place in the room (books, calm toys, pictures or mirror on the wall, mobile overhead) and hope that she begins to understand her own need for a restful happy time and to seek a place to sleep when she is sleepy.
Childproof the closet (and anything else) and move anything fun to other rooms in the house, leaving the bedroom pretty blank as far as temptations... so that she sees no reason to get out of bed other than her potty needs, and she sees a reason to get back in when she's done. She might sleep on the floor sometimes but if she's uncomfortable there, she'll realize that her bed is much nicer. (You might consider a rule that the nice stuff stays in the bed, if you think she will follow that with minimal enforcement.)
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 8:30:02 PM
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* Put the potty chair in her room and a chair by her crib with the side down so she could get out when she needed to; she did go potty, but then she got up whenever she felt like it, too!
Just wondered why that is a problem? Is her room not safe for her if she gets up?
It could be that this child "got up whenever she felt like it" and ended up traipsing all over the house. I've had two do that. They'd get up to use the potty and then come out of their rooms and try to engage everyone around in playtime ... even at 2am. And in the afternoon, that is when I was doing the heavier schoolwork with the older two, so it was a lot of distraction on a daily basis. Keeping the kids in the crib as long as they would tolerate it really was the best way to go with us (aka -- keeping them in until they learned to climb out themselves)
And latching them in, even if just for naptime, is illegal here (before anyone makes that suggestion)
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 8:32:27 PM
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A baby gate is effective, as is simply closing the door... I thought closed doors were preferred for fire safety, so I'd be surprised if that was illegal.
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 8:35:50 PM
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I think she meant locking the door in some way so the child couldn't get out of the room. I've never had a kid that a closed door would keep in
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RE: 2 year-old taking off diaper at naptime - 11/4/2008 8:38:33 PM
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Mine didn't learn to work knobs until at least two-and-a-half... very helpful for keeping her in her room when we wanted her in. Since then we have used a knob cover when necessary (not illegal here - maybe there?) but I don't think that we will ever use a physical latch or lock.
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